BuffaloRebound Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: My big thing is, we finally got the drought monkey off our backs. That crap is DONE. If we slide a little this year getting a rookie up to speed and re-tooling the D, then so be it. They bought themselves some rope with the playoffs last year. If we hadn't made the playoffs last year, can't imagine the pressure that would've been placed on one of these rookie QB's to end an 18 year playoff drought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: More and more I’m wanting them to stay at 12 and take Jackson. There’s no reason he can’t be as good of a WB as any of the other QBs in this draft. Sure there is, and that reason is his accuracy when facing real defenses on a football field in pads. We always talk about completion percentage, but completion percentage can be fixed or reflect positively/negatively on system and teammates. Watching a qb throw inaccurately, however, cannot be fixed as easily. And when I SEE a qb as inaccurate as Allen or Jackson, no amount of citing historical COMPLETION PERCENTAGES will change the way I feel. Only improved mechanics and accuracy can, and that literally never happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, billykay said: Lets say we move to #2. Does anyone think that it would be a good trade for us to move back to #3, especially if it seems that the Jets are panicking that they won't be getting their man? I think that we could wind up this way with our QB, perhaps Mayfield or Rosen, plus getting back some of the draft assets we lost in moving up to #2. If we get to 2, and I was GM, I would unplug the phone and celebrate. I would not entertain offers to move down. Who cares about the Jets. Let them do what they want, and we guarantee to get our top (or second) QB. We get Rosen or Darnold with no sweat or worry that they are gone. I wamt #2 badly, and I hipe this rumor comes to fruition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I just don’t think a trade up in front of the Jets is doable. Cleveland EARNED the 1st overall, so they Have to use it. The last time NYG picked this early, they selected Phillip Rivers -who turned into Eli. They didn’t need a QB at the time but said ‘we have no intention of drafting this high again’, so QB is the pick. I see them doing the same this year. I think we use #12 for BPA on our Board, then quickly trade #22 and other picks to move up and take Mayfield or Rudolf, both of which I believe will still be available 13-15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said: If we hadn't made the playoffs last year, can't imagine the pressure that would've been placed on one of these rookie QB's to end an 18 year playoff drought. I was just going to say the same. At least when our guy is drafted that’s not the first thing he hears about, and he’s a actually going to a playoff team regardless of how good that team actually was. Big perception difference for a new QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I do think that is a plausible alternative strategy. I am assuming Darnold and Rosen will be gone, but it's possible any one of Mayfield, Allen, or Jackson will be there. If Mayfield drops past five, you could make a smaller deal to move up and grab him or wait for Jackson at twelve (I think he will be there.) If Mayfield is there at 12 you take him and I am a guy who is strongly pushing for MLB for our top choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: First, a king's ransom has nothing to do with fair market value since by definition, a ransom paid for holding a king hostage...and in this case, the #2 spot...my point was that the #2 spot cost is apparently quite similar to that of the 1st spot and so if I'm going to make that trade, I go to #1 with no quibbles over whether I get the guy I want...I know I'm on the clock already and get whomever I'd like....also, IMHO it is over priced based on what Eagles gave up for Wentz: From ESPN when trade was made: "The Eagles sent five draft picks to the Browns: the No. 8 pick in the first round, a third-round pick (77th overall) and a fourth-round pick (100th overall) in this year's draft, a first-round pick in 2017 and a second-round pick in 2018. Cleveland also sends a fourth-round pick in 2017 to the Eagles." 2016: 8th overall 3rd Round pick 4th Round pick 2017: 1st round pick 2018: 2nd round pick Also received a 4th round pick from Cleveland along with #2 overall. In the cited scenario for the Bills: 2018: 2 1st round picks in this year - making it far more valuable than giving up a 1st next year, a 2nd and 3rd round THIS year, making them far more valuable than a 2nd round pick two years later and ANOTHER 2nd round pick in 2019, and this is the price that drives it over the top. Personally, if they're going to do it, the two 1st, one 2nd this year, and a 1st next year should be it. Next year the Bills will have about $100 million in Cap space, so they can afford to use FA as the main way to acquire talent. But this year, all the positions of need for the Bills are deep: DT / LB / QB (of course) / RB and they should be using that to their advantage, not giving really good, cheap players on Rookie contracts in a year when they're very close to expending all the money they have. Think of it what you will....but I'm done with this conversation. If the Browns were still being run by a lawyer, the price the Eagles paid may still have some relevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: I just don’t think a trade up in front of the Jets is doable. Cleveland EARNED the 1st overall, so they Have to use it. The last time NYG picked this early, they selected Phillip Rivers -who turned into Eli. They didn’t need a QB at the time but said ‘we have no intention of drafting this high again’, so QB is the pick. I see them doing the same this year. I think we use #12 for BPA on our Board, then quickly trade #22 and other picks to move up and take Mayfield or Rudolf, both of which I believe will still be available 13-15. I understand your reasoning with the Gmen. That is how I would think about it, but a large number of analysts seem to think the Giants are not going to take a qb, so I believe #2 is probably available for the right price. I don't think we are going BPA at twelve. We will take the qb and trade up from #22 if there is someone at lb we really covet. I think it's just as likely we make a small jump from twelve to secure Mayfield, for instance. Edited March 20, 2018 by Dr. Who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, joesixpack said: The movie's how old? Get a grip, jackass. Go bodyslam a deer into a flaming table. Name calling only brings us closer together. You mad bro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Please don't trade up Beane. Stay put... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedyardCTbillsfan Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I'd rather wait until draft day and trade to 4 and save some capital assuming that Rosen Darnold or Mayfield are on the board still. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: If Mayfield is there at 12 you take him and I am a guy who is strongly pushing for MLB for our top choice. He's going to the Jets IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: Name calling only brings us closer together. You mad bro? nah, chump. Just remembering the good old days of you declaring yourself a debate winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 41 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: More and more I’m wanting them to stay at 12 and take Jackson. There’s no reason he can’t be as good of a QB as any of the other QBs in this draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: More and more I’m wanting them to stay at 12 and take Jackson. There’s no reason he can’t be as good of a QB as any of the other QBs in this draft. You're not alone. I think it will be Rudolph at 12, but I think when its all said and done, they stay at 12. Way too many holes and I don't think in 2 or 3 years, there will be a big difference between the QB selected at 2 and the QB selected at 12. Our own Hall of Fame QB Jim Kelly was selected 14th: Quote SEL # TEAM PLAYER POSITION 1 Baltimore Colts John Elway QB 2 Los Angeles Rams Eric Dickerson RB 3 Seattle Seahawks Curt Warner RB 4 Denver Broncos Chris Hinton G 5 San Diego Chargers Billy Ray Smith Jr. LB 6 Chicago Bears Jim Covert T 7 Kansas City Chiefs Todd Blackledge QB 8 Philadelphia Eagles Michael Haddix RB 9 Houston Oilers Bruce Matthews OG 10 New York Giants Terry Kinard DB 11 Green Bay Packers Tim Lewis DB 12 Buffalo Bills Tony Hunter TE 13 Detroit Lions James Jones RB 14 Buffalo Bills Jim Kelly QB 15 New England Patriots Tony Eason QB 16 Atlanta Falcons Mike Pitts DT 17 St. Louis Cardinals Leonard Smith DB 18 Chicago Bears Willie Gault WR 19 Minnesota Vikings Joey Browner DB 20 San Diego Chargers Gary Anderson RB 21 Pittsburgh Steelers Gabe Rivera NT 22 San Diego Chargers Gill Byrd DB 23 Dallas Cowboys Jim Jeffcoat DE 24 New York Jets Ken O'Brien QB 25 Cincinnati Bengals Dave Rimington C 26 Los Angeles Raiders Don Mosebar C 27 Miami Dolphins Dan Marino QB 28 Washington Redskins Darrell Green DB Edited March 20, 2018 by PIZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I don't like the idea of moving up and the cost in this year's draft picks, to be clear. People say it can't happen as well because the GMen wouldn't do it. But I can easily see #12/#22/2019 #1 and 2020 #1 being incredibly interesting to any GM. With 2, #1 picks for three years in a row, the Giants position themselves to annually completely remake their squad as they see fit. And it leaves the Bills with all the rest of their draft capital for this year to get something like Will Hernandez, or Isiah Wynn, or Kolten Miller, or Frank Ragnow and then a WR like Sutton, or Chalk. Bang. Surrounded what you would hope would be Darnold with a third, great lineman, Shady and a great WR along with KJ. Not my idea of heaven, but you can make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 What happens if you fade away all those picks and AJ beats out the rookie and is the franchise QB with the rookie being another pretender? Everyone will complain and want blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, Yav said: What happens if you fade away all those picks and AJ beats out the rookie and is the franchise QB with the rookie being another pretender? Everyone will complain and want blood. To me that is a good problem to have. You trade the young guy and get what you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, PIZ said: You're not alone. I think it will be Rudolph at 12, but I think when its all said and done, they stay at 12. Way too many holes and I don't think in 2 or 3 years, there will be a big difference between the QB selected at 2 and the QB selected at 12. Our own Hall of Fame QB Jim Kelly was selected 14th: I consistently disagree with most everything you say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, PIZ said: You're not alone. I think it will be Rudolph at 12, but I think when its all said and done, they stay at 12. Way too many holes and I don't think in 2 or 3 years, there will be a big difference between the QB selected at 2 and the QB selected at 12. Our own Hall of Fame QB Jim Kelly was selected 14th: You have wildly overvalued Rudolph. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Michael SilverVerified account @MikeSilver 21s21 seconds ago More Michael Silver Retweeted Daniel Carlton Excellent chance QBs go 1-2-3 (or even 1-2-3-4 if browns trade down) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, PIZ said: You're not alone. I think it will be Rudolph at 12, but I think when its all said and done, they stay at 12. Way too many holes and I don't think in 2 or 3 years, there will be a big difference between the QB selected at 2 and the QB selected at 12. Our own Hall of Fame QB Jim Kelly was selected 14th: Again: HOW many more times will people keep going back to the 1983 Draft!??!?!? It was a DIFFERENT ERA than it is today. What part of that don't you people GET!??!?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, Yav said: What happens if you fade away all those picks and AJ beats out the rookie and is the franchise QB with the rookie being another pretender? Everyone will complain and want blood. If they don't find a QB they are getting fired anyway. May as well take the swing on an elite guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, PIZ said: You're not alone. I think it will be Rudolph at 12, but I think when its all said and done, they stay at 12. Way too many holes and I don't think in 2 or 3 years, there will be a big difference between the QB selected at 2 and the QB selected at 12. Our own Hall of Fame QB Jim Kelly was selected 14th: Such flawed thinking 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, Reed83HOF said: Michael SilverVerified account @MikeSilver 21s21 seconds ago More Michael Silver Retweeted Daniel Carlton Excellent chance QBs go 1-2-3 (or even 1-2-3-4 if browns trade down) They say this stuff every year and it never happens, but we shall see. That would be pretty crazy if it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, Reed83HOF said: Michael SilverVerified account @MikeSilver 21s21 seconds ago More Michael Silver Retweeted Daniel Carlton Excellent chance QBs go 1-2-3 (or even 1-2-3-4 if browns trade down) It's unprecedented ( I think) but it's a realistic scenario with the QB need being so great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: Again: HOW many more times will people keep going back to the 1983 Draft!??!?!? It was a DIFFERENT ERA than it is today. What part of that don't you people GET!??!?!?!?! Heck, 2004 was a different era. If this were 2004 we are likely getting our choice of Mayfield (too short) or Allen (small school) at 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, Boatdrinks said: It's unprecedented ( I think) but it's a realistic scenario with the QB need being so great. I agree...If the Bills indeed move to 2; I think it will start a frenzy for 4 between the remaining QB needy teams... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: It's unprecedented ( I think) but it's a realistic scenario with the QB need being so great. I think that it will definitely be at least 3 out of 4. The three mega QB needy teams, and maybe nyg. Edited March 20, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: I consistently disagree with most everything you say. One of these days I will get your approval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I agree...If the Bills indeed move to 2; I think it will start a frenzy for 4 between the remaining QB needy teams... I'm already more than a little nervous 5 QBs could go top 11 without us trading in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Yav said: What happens if you fade away all those picks and AJ beats out the rookie and is the franchise QB with the rookie being another pretender? Everyone will complain and want blood. Nobody's gonna complain about the rookie not playing until our starter screws up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: Again: HOW many more times will people keep going back to the 1983 Draft!??!?!? It was a DIFFERENT ERA than it is today. What part of that don't you people GET!??!?!?!?! Seriously. No comparison. Chris Hinton was a lot more valuable then than he would be now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 If the Giants dont take that offer or counter something realistic they are taking a Qb. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Yav said: What happens if you fade away all those picks and AJ beats out the rookie and is the franchise QB with the rookie being another pretender? Everyone will complain and want blood. No they will be out of their minds happy AJ is taking them to the Super Bowl and Bills are getting a kings ransom when they trade Rosen or Darnold or whoever they get this year. Edited March 20, 2018 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I truly trust the process at this point. I’d personally rather we keep the picks, but if they trade up, I’m fine with it. I think they’ll make the right call whichever way it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: You have wildly overvalued Rudolph. If he's the right guy, 12 isn't too high. I'm not the only one. Guess the Steelers are wasting their time too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, PIZ said: If he's the right guy, 12 isn't too high. I'm not the only one. Guess the Steelers are wasting their time too. Trapasso's enthusiasm has caused folks to wonder if he shares an agent with Mr. Rudolph. The Steelers aren't planning on taking Rudolph at #12 overall. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I really am interested to see some comparison of Davis Webb to some of the guys in this draft. I know he feel to the third last year. If he were in this draft where would he rank? That should have some effect on the Giants thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: It's unprecedented ( I think) but it's a realistic scenario with the QB need being so great. 1999 was the last time QBs went 1-2-3; Couch-McNabb-A. Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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