Jets just traded with Colts for #3 pick in first round

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Colts can still get Chubb and build their Oline with picks. Great move by Colts

[Chuck Wagon]

With this news yesterday's press conference really feels like a concession speech.  We tried to aggressively move up and we lost.  4 QBs are almost for sure off the board when we pick, potentially 5.  Getting the 7th best position player at #12 overall for a player who wasn't in your long term plans is not a bad move and you are getting a guy who would have been long gone by 21.

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

If the Jets are moving to 3, you don't think they inquired about 2 beforehand? G men are taking Barkley. 

Yeah, it's possible.  Maybe the G men don't want to trade with the Jets.  Maybe they have an agreement in principle to trade with us.  I dunno.  I'm not ruling 2 out just yet.

[HappyDays]

47 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

For what it's worth, Charlie Campbell reported a few months ago that the guy that told him the Jets wanted Hackenburg hinted that the Jets badly wanted Josh Allen.

 

This would be a dream come true. If they just traded up for Allen I'll die happy.

[Chuck Wagon]

10 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Colts can still get Chubb and build their Oline with picks. Great move by Colts

 

 

They are likely to get the same player at #6 that they were going to take #3 and picked up 3 2nd round picks to do it.  It's a huge win.

[Real McClappy]

2 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Colts can still get Chubb and build their Oline with picks. Great move by Colts

It really was the smartest decision they could make trading back. They can finally start building a real team around Luck.

[mjt328]

12 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Flacco off the top of my head

 

Hmmm.  Let's take a look then.

 

The Ravens were contenders for roughly 5 years, before everything fell apart again.  That would be from 2008-2012.

Flacco was certainly a Top 10-15 quarterback during that stretch of his career.  If you don't believe me, go back and look at the stats.  And his play during the 2012 Super Bowl run was possibly the best a QB has ever played during a playoff stretch.

 

Since Flacco's play has tailed off, the Ravens have been unable to maintain any sort of success.  They haven't won the division since 2012, and have missed the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 seasons.  I would say the Ravens are more of an example that proves my point.

[Success]

2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

#2 is the only option.  You can’t have this much ammo and end up heading into the season with McCarron, Peterman, “we tried,” and six unknown prospects whose contracts expire at the same time.  It’s a fireable offense.  I expect us to be picking at 2 when the draft rolls around.  Otherwise it’ll be a short tenure for the GM,

It’s hardly the only option, and the Giants may not even be considering a trade.

[Chuck Wagon]

12 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

If the Jets are moving to 3, you don't think they inquired about 2 beforehand? G men are taking Barkley. 

 

No they aren't.  No RB is worth the haul that can be had in draft picks.  A QB is going #2.

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

They are likely to get the same player at #6 that they were going to take #3 and picked up 3 2nd round picks to do it.  It's a huge win.

Agreed. The Bills were not able to make this happen by offering ANY of their picks. This is not difficult to understand, but some on this board think they should have " tried harder"

[Real McClappy]

Damn, almost 800 replies in less than 2hrs. Bills fans are Hardcore! I love this team and our fans.

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

No they aren't.  No RB is worth the haul that can be had in draft picks.  A QB is going #2.

I disagree. All their moves thus far point to being all in on Eli for the next few seasons. Barkely is a game changer and they think they can contend. 3 years is an eternity in football, look at the Seahawks 3 years ago. G men are not going QB at 2. 

[TheElectricCompany]

4 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

No they aren't.  No RB is worth the haul that can be had in draft picks.  A QB is going #2.

They should go QB. Eli has been fading for years and is 37. 

However, GMs don't always think rationally. 

Barkley and 3 QBs 1-4 is the worst case scenario for the Bills. 

 

Edited March 17, 2018 by TheElectricCompany

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Hmmm.  Let's take a look then.

 

The Ravens were contenders for roughly 5 years, before everything fell apart again.  That would be from 2008-2012.

Flacco was certainly a Top 10-15 quarterback during that stretch of his career.  If you don't believe me, go back and look at the stats.  And his play during the 2012 Super Bowl run was possibly the best a QB has ever played during a playoff stretch.

 

Since Flacco's play has tailed off, the Ravens have been unable to maintain any sort of success.  They haven't won the division since 2012, and have missed the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 seasons.  I would say the Ravens are more of an example that proves my point.

I said off the top of my head.

 

and I am not arguing teams don't need a good QB.  I would simply say no one knows who if any of the guys in this draft will be one.

[YoloinOhio]

49 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Wow I was horribly wrong on that. 

 

McCown, Bridgewater and a QB traded up for at #3?? Makes little sense to me. 

Maybe they want Barkley

[BullBuchanan]

This is good news. It was going to cost a king's ransom to get up that far. Stand pat at #12. If Mayfield slips, grab him there. If not, Rudolph at #22 would be perfect.

[Domdab99]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

What if he really likes Rudolph?  He'll be there at 12.  Just as an example.

 

 

Oh Jesus Christ

[ExWNYer]

11 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

 

how is it a disaster?

 

 

# 1 and # 2 picks are still tradable, no?

 

I have felt for a while now with the rapport between gettleman and beane that they may work something out.

 

 

to call this a disaster before draft day has come and gone, is very premature, imo.

 

Exactly. The Bills had the ammo to beat the Jest's offer and can still get ahead of them if the NYG are willing to deal. Beane was worried about trading into #3 and having the Jest jump him at #2, IMO. There is no way that the Giants want their NJ rivals to make the big splash in this draft. This is a Mets vs. Yankees type of situation. If Gettleman wants a QB, he still gets his choice (at least his second choice). If he doesn't, I think he deals with his pal, Beane, to screw the Jest. Imagine the headlines in the Big Apple: 'Giants Deal #2 Pick to Jets Division RIval' or maybe the NY Post: 'Bills Come Due For Jets in Giant Deal'.

[Chuck Wagon]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

This is good news. It was going to cost a king's ransom to get up that far. Stand pat at #12. If Mayfield slips, grab him there. If not, Rudolph at #22 would be perfect.

 

 

This is such loser thinking. 

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

This is such loser thinking. 

How do you feel about moving to 4 for whoever is left among Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield/Allen?

[Lurker]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Maybe they want Barkley

 

Nah.  Bridgewater is a FA in 2019 and McCown is on a one-year deal.   They have to go QB at #3 so they can build a team around him for when he eventually gets on the field...

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

This is such loser thinking. 

 

I think it's loser thinking being pressured to move up to draft a guy like Darnold or Allen that never did a damn thing in college and are sub-par in every metric to Mayfield or Rudolph - just because you need one. Reeks of desperation.

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

This is such loser thinking. 

 

Agreed.

That's like going out to buy a vehicle.

You really want a new truck, say a new 1500 ram hemi with a quad cab.

You found one that you love, but at $38,000, it's about $2,000 more than you wanna spend, but it is exactly that you need and want.

So you go home, mull it over, and decide that you'll settle on a used f150 two door, since it's cheaper, at about $26,000, even though you need the 4 doors, you'll "figure it out", that's a couple of years old, but you don't want to pay what it's listed at, so you wait, and wait, and then it's sold.

 

So you get left spending $12,000 a 6year old Chevy Cobalt for $2grand above book value, that doesn't suit any of your needs, but hey, it's a "vehicle" right?

 

That's what taking Rudolph at #22 is.

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

I think it's loser thinking being pressured to move up to draft a guy like Darnold or Allen that never did a damn thing in college and are sub-par in every metric to Mayfield or Rudolph - just because you need one. Reeks of desperation.

 

Rudolph is trash.

[Boatdrinks]

7 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Exactly. The Bills had the ammo to beat the Jest's offer and can still get ahead of them if the NYG are willing to deal. Beane was worried about trading into #3 and having the Jest jump him at #2, IMO. There is no way that the Giants want their NJ rivals to make the big splash in this draft. This is a Mets vs. Yankees type of situation. If Gettleman wants a QB, he still gets his choice (at least his second choice). If he doesn't, I think he deals with his pal, Beane, to screw the Jest. Imagine the headlines in the Big Apple: 'Giants Deal #2 Pick to Jets Division RIval' or maybe the NY Post: 'Bills Come Due For Jets in Giant Deal'.

It's being reported on NFLN that Jets tried to get #1 overall from CLE. The Giants are staying put for Barkely, unless some team offers them four first rounders or something crazy like that. 

[BullBuchanan]

4 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Agreed.

That's like going out to buy a vehicle.

You really want a new truck, say a new 1500 ram hemi with a quad cab.

You found one that you love, but at $38,000, it's about $2,000 more than you wanna spend, but it is exactly that you need and want.

So you go home, mull it over, and decide that you'll settle on a used f150 two door, since it's cheaper, at about $26,000, even though you need the 4 doors, you'll "figure it out", that's a couple of years old, but you don't want to pay what it's listed at, so you wait, and wait, and then it's sold.

 

So you get left spending $12,000 a 6year old Chevy Cobalt for $2grand above book value, that doesn't suit any of your needs, but hey, it's a "vehicle" right?

 

That's what taking Rudolph at #22 is.

 

Rudolph is trash.

Based on what? I watched him play a ton, and he's probably the 2nd best QB in the draft. 65% completion percentage with nearly 5000 yards against top-tier competition is trash? Ricky Vaughan...err... Josh Allen can't hit the broad side of a barn and played at Wyoming. I'll take Mason Roethlisberger all day.

Edited March 17, 2018 by BullBuchanan

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

It's being reported on NFLN that Jets tried to get #1 overall from CLE. The Giants are staying put for Barkely, unless some team offers them four first rounders or something crazy like that. 

 

If that's true that NYG aren't moving, then you jump to 4 and take whoever is left

[Roundybout]

 

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[ExWNYer]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

It's being reported on NFLN that Jets tried to get #1 overall from CLE. The Giants are staying put for Barkely, unless some team offers them four first rounders or something crazy like that. 

 

Anyone wanting to trade up for a QB and within striking distance of #1 would be foolish not to try for #1...it's the only way to ensure you get the guy you definitely want. I don't think the Browns are moving. They have to get it right this time.

[Doc Brown]

So it basically comes down to whether the Giants want to take a franchise QB or not.  This sucks.

[SouthNYfan]

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Based on what? I watched him play a ton, and he's probably the 2nd best QB in the draft. 65% completion percentage with nearly 5000 yards against top-tier competition is trash? Ricky Vaughan...err... Josh Allen can't hit the broad side of a barn and played at Wyoming. I'll take Mason Roethlisberger all day.

 

Guess you know better than every NFL even.

When do they hire you?

[HuSeYiN_NYC]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think it does make sense to trade down with #22. It is a good idea if we can't trade up. 

 

I want Darnold, Rosen, or Allen. Anybody outside of them aren't big time prospects in my mind. I know some people like Mayfield. I don't. Jackson has huge potential. Rudolph is teh same level prospect as Nate Peterman imo. 

 

Next year's class doesn't look great right now. Drew Lock from Mizzou is probably 1, Clayton Thorson from Northwestern and Jarrett Stidham from Auburn is probably the other guy. A lot of people like Shea Patterson of Michigan who transferred from Ole Miss. I like Lock a lot, but not 100% on the others. I prefer Rosen and Darnold to anybody next year. 

 

Thanks for that. From the little that I've read about the QBs this year, I'm going with a Rosen or forget about QB way of thinking.

 

I think if we figure a way that makes sense to get Rosen, I'm cool with it. But if he's off the board when we pick (wherever that may be come draft day), i think we should draft a potential stud at 12 at whatever position we have need in, trade down from 22 to get a 1st rounder in next years draft and then take a shot at whatever QB is left with our 1st pick in the 2nd round just so we don't miss out on a QB that MIGHT turn out to be great in the future.

Edited March 17, 2018 by HuSeYiN_NYC

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, ExWNYer said:

 

Anyone wanting to trade up for a QB and within striking distance of #1 would be foolish not to try for #1...it's the only way to ensure you get the guy you definitely want. I don't think the Browns are moving. They have to get it right this time.

 

If you move up to #1 who is it? Could be any one of 4 guys. How do you make such drastic moves ina  draft that doesn't have a clear cut #1. Eli was indisputably the top prospect. This year may have a lot of solid prospects, but not a one of them are blue-chip locks the way Peyton or Eli were.

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Anyone wanting to trade up for a QB and within striking distance of #1 would be foolish not to try for #1...it's the only way to ensure you get the guy you definitely want. I don't think the Browns are moving. They have to get it right this time.

Yep. And ending up at 3 says 2 is off the table. I'd say it means the G men want Barkley, but anythings possible. 

[Domdab99]

let's not forget the Gettleman is one of the worst GMs in the league and an idiot. Who knows what he'll be willing to do?

[jumpgo692003]

The Browns were never trading the number one pick it would take your first three rounds this year and likely your first round next year to even think about it and I don't see the bills doing that so I comes down to the number 2 pick and the number 4 pick.  The two pick all depends on whether the Giants are trying to find Eli successor or not in this draft and the number four pick all comes down to who is left or how much the Bills are willing to pay to force the Browns all the way down to 12 which pretty much eliminates them from Top tier Talent.  I think the Bills are better off staying where they're at and hoping somebody falls because the price they are going to have to pay to move up is going to be astronomical and I felt that way even before the Jets trade

Edited March 17, 2018 by jumpgo692003

[thunderingsquid]

[Boatdrinks]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

History repeating itself? ?

 

Lets hope Beane has some real brass. 

But they didn't wait in 04. They made a deal with HOU to move up, then HOU cancelled after pick 8 went off the board leaving no options. Sometimes it's just bad luck. Oh , and they didn't possess two first round picks heading into the draft. That's the pick they moved into from DAL after their move up bid was backed out of. A lot of revisionist history quoted there

Edited March 17, 2018 by Boatdrinks

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Guess you know better than every NFL even.

When do they hire you?

Ah yes, attacking my credibility. The last stand of a man who lost a discussion a long time ago. It was fun.

By the way, based on the way NFL teams fight over QBs at the top of the draft, I'm positive I  couldn't do any worse.

[oldmanfan]

Everyone here thinks they know who the best QB is going to be.  I'lll take Beane and his scouts 

[Putin]

4 minutes ago, HuSeYiN_NYC said:

 

Thanks for that. From the little that I've read about the QBs this year, I'm going with a Rosen or forget about QB way of thinking.

 

I think if we figure a way that makes sense to get Rosen, I'm cool with it. But if he's off the board when we pick (wherever that may be come draft day), i think we should draft a potential stud at 12 at whatever position we have need in, trade down from 22 to get a 1st rounder in next years draft and then take a shot at whatever QB is left with our 1st pick in the 2nd round just so we don't miss out on a QB that MIGHT turn out to be great in the future.

I am officially depressed