The Bills Blog Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) QB WR2 RG RT OLB MLB CB3 Beane could fill all 7 by re-signing P. Brown, keeping the six picks in the top 100, and taking best available QB at #12. If he trades 12, 22, and 65 for a QB, we'll still have 2-3 major holes left. I'm not sure we have the money to address those remaining holes in FA. Edited March 16, 2018 by The Bills Blog 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I figure they can still address WR2, CB3, or both in FA. I'm fine with their decision regarding pick 12. If they want to trade up, go for it, but my hunch is that one or two of the top 4 QBs will still be available at 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 RG - I’m sure they are fine with VLad or Miller.... but will still draft a guy for sure. RT - Mills is still here, not the best. I’m really curious to see what Conor McDermott can do this year. I’m sure he’ll be Dawkins backup being Cordy and Henderson are gone. This will be that 4-5 round guy drafted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said: QB WR2 RG RT OLB MLB CB3 Beane could fill all 7 by re-signing P. Brown, keeping the six picks in the top 100, and taking best available QB at #12. If he trades 12, 22, and 65 for a QB, we'll still have 2-3 major holes left. I'm not sure we have the money to address those remaining holes in FA. I think Zay and Miller will surprise. Preston is meh and I think draft is the answer for that spot. I agree on the rest to varying extents and would add "depth" as another positional need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Yawn another stay put thread 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Every team has "major holes" and this comes up every year. You know where the most gapping, massive, dark black hole is? QB. And it's been like that for 20 years. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 While I agree that we have holes in all the areas you mentioned, not all holes are created equal. Some are not as big of holes as others and some are more important. I don't buy the argument that we should put equal weight towards addressing each hole. If it takes trading away a few to successfully address another more impactful one then you do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Yawn another stay put thread sorry to bring bummer news once the books are adjusted, there will not be a lot of $ to get top paid FA's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: sorry to bring bummer news once the books are adjusted, there will not be a lot of $ to get top paid FA's. Me thinks there is still a move or two to free up more cap space. Plus it seems like there is still around $10m after there draft choices still left, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 29 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I figure they can still address WR2, CB3, or both in FA. I'm fine with their decision regarding pick 12. If they want to trade up, go for it, but my hunch is that one or two of the top 4 QBs will still be available at 12. And draft picks from the lower rounds...You can still find good players in 4th and 5th rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Magox said: Me thinks there is still a move or two to free up more cap space. Plus it seems like there is still around $10m after there draft choices still left, no? more than 10 million after rookie allocation, especially after Richie Cog's just re-did his deal to lower the cap hit this year There's always money in the banana stand... To the OP's point - yea there are holes. We are coming from a talent devoid team of the past into the current FO vision, and Rome wasn't built in a day. Every team in the NFL has holes, and you have to live with not having great players at every spot. Trust The Process! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: sorry to bring bummer news once the books are adjusted, there will not be a lot of $ to get top paid FA's. Uh what? With all the new FA contracts on the books, including Lotulelei, the Bills have $26M left. Subtract around $5m for rookie contracts and the Bills have $21M left. That's a fair chunk of money. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ Edited March 16, 2018 by Wayne Cubed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, PaattMaann said: more than 10 million after rookie allocation, especially after Richie Cog's just re-did his deal to lower the cap hit this year There's always money in the banana stand... To the OP's point - yea there are holes. We are coming from a talent devoid team of the past into the current FO vision, and Rome wasn't built in a day. Every team in the NFL has holes, and you have to live with not having great players at every spot. Trust The Process! That's more than I thought and I hope that you are right And you are right, sometimes or for that matter often times you can't fix all your holes in one year. And yikes, I typed "there" rather than their. 2 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Uh what? With all the new FA contracts on the books, including Lotulelei,the Bills have $26M left. Subtract around $5m for rookie contracts and the Bills have $21M left. Thats a fair chunk of money. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ I don't see Murphy on that list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I figure they can still address WR2, CB3, or both in FA. I'm fine with their decision regarding pick 12. If they want to trade up, go for it, but my hunch is that one or two of the top 4 QBs will still be available at 12. Who are WR2's on your radar? I want a quick slot guy, fast off the break and gets open as a safety blanket. Deonte Thompson does not get open Edited March 16, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Magox said: I don't see Murphy on that list I can't imagine his cap hit is more than $5M, considering what he's signed for. Also, not sure if that is updated with Cogs new number. Still leaves more than $17M in cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, Wayne Cubed said: I can't imagine his cap hit is more than $5M, considering what he's signed for. Also, not sure if that is updated with Cogs new number. Still leaves more than $17M in cap space. I don't think it will be that much, just mentioning that I don't believe they are accounting for his cap figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Uh what? With all the new FA contracts on the books, including Lotulelei, the Bills have $26M left. Subtract around $5m for rookie contracts and the Bills have $21M left. That's a fair chunk of money. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ Doesnt look like that has kyle or murphys in yet, but also not richies restructure or money back from wood. Plus we can always restructure mccoy and hughes. Plenty of money to sign a couple more impact guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Magox said: I don't think it will be that much, just mentioning that I don't believe they are accounting for his cap figure. Yea I don't think it'll be $5M either, but they have some of the details. I could be wrong but I thought Michael Ginnitti said on Murph yesterday that he thought when it's all said and done he believe's the Bills will have around $22M left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Bills Blog said: QB WR2 RG RT OLB MLB CB3 Beane could fill all 7 by re-signing P. Brown, keeping the six picks in the top 100, and taking best available QB at #12. If he trades 12, 22, and 65 for a QB, we'll still have 2-3 major holes left. I'm not sure we have the money to address those remaining holes in FA. Fair enough summation. And that's why: 1) We shouldn't expect the team to be great this year. It's unlikely. Their goal is - and should be - to build an organization that can consistently compete for championships. 2) There are many ways to fill holes. Expect many of those holes to be filled, but with low to medium-priced guys, journeymen. It's what financially conservative teams do. And it's the most consistent roadmap to competing for a title. 3) We have so many holes. We wouldn't have so many if they hadn't traded guys like Sammy and Cordy (who'd have looked mighty good across from Dawkins) and so on exactly to gain ammo for a tradeup. They created those holes because they knew we absolutely needed a QB and that there was only one effective way to maximize our chances of getting a good one. Edited March 16, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Magox said: Me thinks there is still a move or two to free up more cap space. Plus it seems like there is still around $10m after there draft choices still left, no? Not from what I can see. Just shy of $10 mil for the rookie reserve and Yes, they need to do more magic. There are 3 contracts just signed that total around $21 mil for 2018 and the cap for the top 51 says $26,398,557 per spotrac. There is a small savings with Richie restructuring. 10 minutes ago, Pbomb said: Doesnt look like that has kyle or murphys in yet, but also not richies restructure or money back from wood. Plus we can always restructure mccoy and hughes. Plenty of money to sign a couple more impact guys Neither Cap site is current. They must be too busy watching March Madness to update their sites. Edited March 16, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Uh what? With all the new FA contracts on the books, including Lotulelei, the Bills have $26M left. Subtract around $5m for rookie contracts and the Bills have $21M left. That's a fair chunk of money. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ Rookie allocation these days is around $9 mill. That's around how much it generally costs. Not $5 mill. 22 minutes ago, Magox said: That's more than I thought and I hope that you are right And you are right, sometimes or for that matter often times you can't fix all your holes in one year. And yikes, I typed "there" rather than their. I don't see Murphy on that list Yup. No Murphy. No Kyle Williams. No Logan Thomas. No - lemme check the spelling - Owamagbe Odighizuwa. Edited March 16, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I don't think we can get Darnold away from the Browns, Giants, Broncos or Jets. I would rather see if one of the top 5 QB's lands to us at #12, and if not, then take a second tier guy in the second round and restock the team with quality players. Maybe even swap #12 for a second this year and a 1st for 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Rookie allocation these days is around $9 mill. That's around how much it generally costs. Not $5 mill. Right but rounds 4, 5 and 6 players are likely to not be Top 51, if they make the team at all. Sportrac has it projected with Top 51 & rookie pool at about $6M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Looking at the "number of holes" is not a way to build a roster. 1. Quarterback is the most important position on the team by a mile. We need to get this pick right. Not wait for the scraps to fall to us. 2. Zay Jones was a top prospect last year. His rookie year was disappointing, but I doubt the Bills have totally given up on him yet. 3. With the blocking scheme change, I'm optimistic that John Miller can come back and claim that spot at Right Guard. 4. I have no interest in bringing back Preston Brown. We can do better. Based on the estimates I've seen, we should have enough cap space to sign a few more guys. The second wave of players is significantly cheaper than the last. We should have plenty to bring in another Cornerback, a Linebacker, an Offensive Lineman and maybe another Wide Receiver. The key at this point is finding the diamonds in the rough, not the guys asking for $7-10 million per year. We can probably move up to #2 or #3 by trading away our extra 1st Round Pick and a 2nd Rounder. After a QB is picked, that would still leave us with a 2nd Round Pick and two 3rd Rounders this year, along with our entire draft next year. Three Day 2 picks to fill out the additional roster holes. I'm perfectly comfortable with that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Right but rounds 4, 5 and 6 players are likely to not be Top 51, if they make the team at all. Sportrac has it projected with Top 51 & rookie pool at about $6M. The spotrac site has the Draft Pool Cap @ $9,766,222 All of this is detailed in the 2018 Cap thread. The Rookie #'s, the broadcast #'s of the players just signed and other assumptions. Edited March 16, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardb1952 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) When I look at Sportac, I see 26 million including 9.7 million for Draft. 26 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Rookie allocation these days is around $9 mill. That's around how much it generally costs. Not $5 mill. Yup. No Murphy. No Kyle Williams. No Logan Thomas. No - lemme check the spelling - Owamagbe Odighizuwa. When I look at Sportac, I see 26 million remaining including 9.7 million for Draft. Plus some amount for above players. I would guess there is about 15 million left after signing those 3 since I believe Kyle's contract is 6 Million for 1 year. Just guessing other two contracts will be around 5 million this year. Edited March 16, 2018 by richardb1952 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 26 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: I don't think we can get Darnold away from the Browns, Giants, Broncos or Jets. I would rather see if one of the top 5 QB's lands to us at #12, and if not, then take a second tier guy in the second round and restock the team with quality players. Maybe even swap #12 for a second this year and a 1st for 2019. are you high? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Nothing else matters till we find a franchise arm and I personally don't want the Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen at all .......Rudolph would be palletable but he would be the 4th best QB in this draft.. The holes will get filled just like last year 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 As far as the final 53-man roster goes, I see 12 spots that need to be filled by players not currently under contract: QB1 WR2 WR5 (assuming one of Reilly or Streater wins the WR6 job) RG competition RT competition C2 DT3 Mike LB Sam LB2 Slot CB1 Boundary CB3 S4 They've got a lot of work left to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Thing is every team has some major hole. You can either have depth at some spots with holes, or no holes with absolutely no depth. I think we are definitely lacking in depth at dline and o line and LB. Preston brown would be a wise signing. Essentially he would be a bridge MLB just like a bridge QB until we can get that elite MLB in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said: Every team has "major holes" and this comes up every year. You know where the most gapping, massive, dark black hole is? QB. And it's been like that for 20 years. The Bills have tried every other way possible. Build a stout defense - Failed Build a ground and pound - Failed build up with WR talent - Failed The only option left is to find a QB, once that is found, then you focus on the "Other holes" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 hours ago, The Bills Blog said: QB WR2 RG RT OLB MLB CB3 Beane could fill all 7 by re-signing P. Brown, keeping the six picks in the top 100, and taking best available QB at #12. If he trades 12, 22, and 65 for a QB, we'll still have 2-3 major holes left. I'm not sure we have the money to address those remaining holes in FA. And we’ll probably get the leftover QBs that no one wanted. One may slip and we could get lucky......but is it worth the risk? This is the year that we get our Franchise QB. McCarron is not that. You’ve done such a great job so far, don’t screw this up Beane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: The Bills have tried every other way possible. Build a stout defense - Failed Build a ground and pound - Failed build up with WR talent - Failed The only option left is to find a QB, once that is found, then you focus on the "Other holes" Build a stout defense - Failed - Not quite true - Rebuilding back to a top 10 is happening after Wrex ruined it. Build a ground and pound - Failed - true but because of the near bottom ranked passing game build up with WR talent - Failed - true but because of the near bottom ranked passing game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Build a stout defense - Failed - Not quite true - Rebuilding back to a top 10 is happening after Wrex ruined it. Build a ground and pound - Failed - true but because of the near bottom ranked passing game build up with WR talent - Failed - true but because of the near bottom ranked passing game I'm talking as a whole during the drought. The Bills have tried every which way possible. Your last two points, prove my point. They built up the team that way but the team failed, because of lack of QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 hours ago, The Bills Blog said: QB WR2 RG RT OLB MLB CB3 Beane could fill all 7 by re-signing P. Brown, keeping the six picks in the top 100, and taking best available QB at #12. If he trades 12, 22, and 65 for a QB, we'll still have 2-3 major holes left. I'm not sure we have the money to address those remaining holes in FA. We're on the same page Blog!! The Bills can re-sign Gaines and take CB3 off the table. I did a Fanspeak draft last night and I picked: 1a) Lamar Jackson 1b)Vita Vea 2a) DJ Chark 2b) Mike Gesicki 3a) Tim Settle 3b) Billy Price 4) Shaquem Griffin @MLB 5) Dorance Armstrong 6) Siran Neal This draft would get me GM of the year with the other acquisitions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I would not term all of them as major holes. Defensive tackle was a major hole before Star Lotulelei was signed and Kyle Williams resigned. I'll grant you that they are holes or places where Buffalo should try to upgrade. I think linebacker is still a pretty significant hole as well as QB, but Buffalo could line up and play with what they have on the oline and have a chance to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Do we really have a big hole at CB3? It's not expected that you have a starting caliber CB at CB3. I think out starting secondary is good enough that I don't see CB3 as a glaring weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 So...you’re saying we have a chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: I'm talking as a whole during the drought. The Bills have tried every which way possible. Your last two points, prove my point. They built up the team that way but the team failed, because of lack of QB. my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I guess the definition of 'hole' has become more severe over the years. In my mind, Colin Brown, Cyril Richardson, TJ Graham, Kelvin Sheppard, Chris Williams, Erik Pears (as a Guard) .... now those guys were holes. In fact, Brown and Richardson were enormous pits of doom. We certainly need to get better in the mentioned positions, but QB is the big one, followed by LBs(need several). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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