Bing Bong Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 48 minutes ago, BananaB said: All the excuses keep coming for Taylor don’t they. When these guys were on the field he still hesitated to throw them the ball.. It’s hard to judge any of Taylor’s targets on their time together. He just didn’t throw to them on a regular basis.... We only seen A.J. with quality WRs but he made quality throws, hopefully he’ll be able to get more out of these guys then Taylor has. We’re about to see and I look forward to it. Relax dude i just want to talk about AJ McCaron and our receiving corps. And i enjoy talking about former bills players. Why they find sccess elsewhere . Literally haven't dropped tyrod's name in here. The receivers are bad. On paper. In a vacuum, are you happy to proceed with this argument. They have accomplished nothing in the NFLshort of KB'S overrated mediocre rookie season. Half the player AJG is. He slow as dirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills88 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Great news! I hope he workout so the rookie QB drafted and Peterman can work on their game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Well we had injuries with Goodwin and watkins. And without Robert woods this year, we were trotting out nobodies. Would have liked to retain him don't see how he doesn't fit the mcd mold. But he was pricey And Goodwin flat out improved this last year, i have to put that on coaching. Honestly I'd put him up there for NFL's most improved player (wish that was a thing). He beefed up and looks like Michael Thomas with his physicality. Goodwin got with QBs who pass footballs KB and Zay will be good. Add another speedster and it’s on. The anchor is gone AJ ain’t gonna go into a shell and cower from throwing 50/50 balls. Edited March 16, 2018 by Teddy KGB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Relax dude i just want to talk about AJ McCaron and our receiving corps. And i enjoy talking about former bills players. Why they find sccess elsewhere . Literally haven't dropped tyrod's name in here. The receivers are bad. On paper. In a vacuum, are you happy to proceed with this argument. They have accomplished nothing in the NFLshort of KB'S overrated mediocre rookie season. Half the player AJG is. He slow as dirt If you want to talk about former WRs, their play here goes hand and hand with Taylor. Hard not to have a conversation without it. Just saying they sucked isn’t realistic because numerous had gone on to have success elsewhere. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 AJ is most likely, as presented, a "bridge" QB and not the "long time answer" but if he has any pride, he'll prove all these media parrots wrong! I would be sick of reading and hearing this. It's on him to prove all them wrong. Teammates and coaches matter of course, but it's mainly on him. There has been so many stories of #2 shining when they finally had the chance. Probabilities are not on the side of that happening, but the media don't know! They just parrot the same things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Goodwin got with QBs who pass footballs Hoyer and CJ Beathard? Really? Jimmy G was not there until the last 5 or so games. No - he improved and was on the field a lot more. Started twice as many games and his numbers about doubled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, ngbills said: Hoyer and CJ Beathard? Really? Jimmy G was not there until the last 5 or so games. No - he improved and was on the field a lot more. Started twice as many games and his numbers about doubled. And people wanted Goodwin gone because he was always injured and focused on the Olympics and track. Now he seems focused more on football and played well. Similar to woods, people here just didn't think he wad worth what he was going to get paid based on his play here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Let’s get some AJs in the bills shop here. Hopefully it’s not a 5. Seen enough of that for the better part of the last decade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 AJ McCarron ✔@10AJMcCarron House shopping in Buffalo right now. This weather is awesome! So happy to be a part of this city & the Bills Mafia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: AJ McCarron ✔@10AJMcCarron House shopping in Buffalo right now. This weather is awesome! So happy to be a part of this city & the Bills Mafia. A J's a made man already... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: AJ McCarron ✔@10AJMcCarron House shopping in Buffalo right now. This weather is awesome! So happy to be a part of this city & the Bills Mafia. So happy we signed him 3 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Let’s get some AJs in the bills shop here. Hopefully it’s not a 5. Seen enough of that for the better part of the last decade I'm sure he will want #10 is its available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: So happy we signed him I'm sure he will want #10 is its available Deonte Thompson #10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 28 minutes ago, cd1 said: Deonte Thompson #10 Isnt he a free agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Isnt he a free agent? Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I hope aj and Daboll can bring some of those bama winning ways our way 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 55 minutes ago, cd1 said: Deonte Thompson #10 ...wouldn't surprise me one bit if McBeane made offers to Deonte and Gaines, with both opting to see if their phone rings...so McBeane "checked"......their agents may be calling shortly to find their clients work....no rush...no panic...McBeane "checked"..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 The Browns weren’t going to sign AJ McCarron after acquiring Tyrod Taylor from the Bills. But Browns coach Hue Jackson gave McCarron a plug to Bills General Manager Brandon Beane. “I actually spoke to Hue Jackson the night before we signed him, texted with two other coaches of his that I know,” Beane said in a press conference Friday, via quotes distributed by the team. “And the one word they told me about AJ that got me fired up was ‘competitor,’ and I love that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Would be great if he has improved a lot while sitting in Cincy and gets to Buffalo and begins to light it up. All while the drafted QB learns, that would be a great scenario. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 The only playoff game the bengals came close to or even should have won, was when Dalton was hurt. That means something to me. I really like McCarron and wanted the Bills to trade for him back in the BBMB days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Would be great if he has improved a lot while sitting in Cincy and gets to Buffalo and begins to light it up. All while the drafted QB learns, that would be a great scenario. The Kid is intens, skilled and full on about proving himself a starter. Let us wish him the best Luck as a Buffalo Bill. Edited March 16, 2018 by 3rdand12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: The Kid is intens, skilled and full on about proving himself a starter. Let us wish him the best Luck as a Buffalo Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: Thanks Brother 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 The guy was born to throw the f____ing football... We need mofos that can get separation at WR.... What do you guys think about a trade for Amari Cooper? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, #34fan said: The guy was born to throw the f____ing football... We need mofos that can get separation at WR.... What do you guys think about a trade for Amari Cooper? I do not care how they are acquired. The Rec core needs to be solidified. some steady reliable guys. Hope Benjamin is healthy. Beyond that? Not sure BEANE ! BEANE ? Get that running game back to where it once was or better as well. Go Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 10 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Goodwin got with QBs who pass footballs KB and Zay will be good. Add another speedster and it’s on. The anchor is gone AJ ain’t gonna go into a shell and cower from throwing 50/50 balls. AJ is a notoriously conservative QB, he was known as a game manager in Alabama and is his limited starts in Cincy he played pretty conservative. I don't know why people expect McCarron to be a gunslinger when that isn't his reputation at all? So unless this team drafts a rookie high and he comes in and performs light a stud I would expect conservative QB play to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 . AJ McCarron 'absolutely a starter' in the NFL, Nick Saban says Posted Apr 11, 2017 Nick Saban has a 210-61-1 on-the-field record as a college football coach, good for a .774 winning percentage. Take out the games in which AJ McCarron was Saban's starting quarterback, and the coach's career winning percentage dips to .752. While at Alabama, McCarron compiled a 36-4 record as the Crimson Tide's quarterback. Alabama won the 2011 and 2012 BCS national championships with McCarron as its signal-caller. Along the way, he became the Tide's career leader in passing yards, touchdown passes and total offense. Saban appeared on SiriusXM NFL Radio on Tuesday and was asked about McCarron's pro career. "I loved AJ," Saban said. "I always thought he did a great job. He's a football junkie. He really prepares for the game, understands the game well. He's got a confidence about him that some people might mistake for a little bit of cockiness, but when you get to know him, you know that's not the case. I think, and I always thought, that I could not believe he did not get drafted higher than he got drafted relative to the success that he had here in terms of winning. If you just look at how much we won when he was the quarterback, how many championships we won and did it at an early age. And every time he's had an opportunity to play with the Bengals, he's, to me, proven that he's absolutely a starter. In the playoffs, McCarron rallied Cincinnati from a 15-0 deficit to a 16-15 lead over Pittsburgh with less than two minutes to play with three straight scoring drives in the fourth quarter. A fumble and a meltdown by the Bengals' defense kept Cincinnati from picking up its first postseason victory since 1990 as the Steelers came back for an 18-16 win. an older article but words from Saban. he's definitely a competitor. a nd should be a good mentor to the rookie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: AJ is a notoriously conservative QB, he was known as a game manager in Alabama and is his limited starts in Cincy he played pretty conservative. I don't know why people expect McCarron to be a gunslinger when that isn't his reputation at all? So unless this team drafts a rookie high and he comes in and performs light a stud I would expect conservative QB play to continue. On a college team full of NFL players, -what else do you need a QB to do? I don't mind a game manager as long a s he manages to hit open WR's, and the team manages to win games as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Or just a good starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Beebe Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/15/2018 at 9:48 AM, Mr. WEO said: He must have made quite an impression on you 3 years ago. You're Ralph Wilson to his Rob Johnson... Never heard of him 3 years ago. I don't pay much attention to college football or the draft. I just looked at the film on him in the NFL. Don't you like pocket passers? I don't mind being called Ralph Wilson, but Rob Johnson sucked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, #34fan said: On a college team full of NFL players, -what else do you need a QB to do? I don't mind a game manager as long a s he manages to hit open WR's, and the team manages to win games as a result. My point was that his career in college and so far in the pros has been that of a risk-averse QB. Now there are some fans that think that McCarron is going to be this big time gunslinger which given the profile of McCarron isn't likely. Hell given the nature of McD as a coach (very conservative football turnover averse) I don't know why people's expectations of McCarron being anything different than a conservative game manager exist. I honestly think that a lot of the same complaints people had about Tyrod (never throws downfield checks down on third and long) will exist about McCarron. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: My point was that his career in college and so far in the pros has been that of a risk-averse QB. Now there are some fans that think that McCarron is going to be this big time gunslinger which given the profile of McCarron isn't likely. Hell given the nature of McD as a coach (very conservative football turnover averse) I don't know why people's expectations of McCarron being anything different than a conservative game manager exist. I honestly think that a lot of the same complaints people had about Tyrod (never throws downfield checks down on third and long) will exist about McCarron. He's only started 3 NFL games... And it's part of backup's job to avert risks so you don't F___-up leads in big games... He's always performed well at the job given to him. There's no cause to doubt he'll keep on doing that. Edited March 17, 2018 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: My point was that his career in college and so far in the pros has been that of a risk-averse QB. Now there are some fans that think that McCarron is going to be this big time gunslinger which given the profile of McCarron isn't likely. Hell given the nature of McD as a coach (very conservative football turnover averse) I don't know why people's expectations of McCarron being anything different than a conservative game manager exist. I honestly think that a lot of the same complaints people had about Tyrod (never throws downfield checks down on third and long) will exist about McCarron. I got no problem with a him being conservative as long as he makes some plays when needed. That was Tyrods biggest weakness. We won’t know what we got until he’s on the field. He looked pretty solid in the short stint Dalton was out, made some big plays down the stretch in that playoff game and had them in position to win. He could be more refined now after extra time on the bench. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 29 minutes ago, BananaB said: I got no problem with a him being conservative as long as he makes some plays when needed. That was Tyrods biggest weakness. We won’t know what we got until he’s on the field. He looked pretty solid in the short stint Dalton was out, made some big plays down the stretch in that playoff game and had them in position to win. He could be more refined now after extra time on the bench. Iirc he’s 2-1 as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Don Beebe said: Never heard of him 3 years ago. I don't pay much attention to college football or the draft. I just looked at the film on him in the NFL. Don't you like pocket passers? I don't mind being called Ralph Wilson, but Rob Johnson sucked. You never watched him in college, but you reviewed film of his handful of Bengals games from 3 years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, #34fan said: He's only started 3 NFL games... And it's part of backup's job to avert risks so you don't F___-up leads in big games... He's always performed well at the job given to him. There's no cause to doubt he'll keep on doing that. I think the team can be successful with a game manager QB. Provided the defense fixes a couple of issues (2 new starting linebackers, a nickel CB, and possible issues with the pass rush if Hughes and Lorax get old and Shaq can't hack it.) And if the team doesn't trade up for a QB (If they take a QB at 12 they have 22, 53, 56, 65, and 96) there certainly exists plenty of draft capital to address various defensive and offensive issues. But I think that Tyrod at times was a game manager and people hated him for it. Complaints of general conservative play, checkdowns on 3rd and long, rushing attempts short of 1st downs on third down, and not "getting the ball downfield enough" will continue with McCaron. But this team did win with Tyrod who wasn't the most aggressive QB. Tyrod has a winning record the last three seasons not being the best QB but one that makes a few plays here or there and not turning the ball over. Of course a strong ground game and decent to good defense helps but there is no reason to think that the team can't have a decent defense again and Shady has 1 more good season. But I am more knocking the idea that McCarron will be this gunslinger or that because he isn't Tyrod all the QB issues go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: But I think that Tyrod at times was a game manager and people hated him for it. Complaints of general conservative play, checkdowns on 3rd and long, rushing attempts short of 1st downs on third down, and not "getting the ball downfield enough" will continue with McCaron. But this team did win with Tyrod who wasn't the most aggressive QB. Tyrod has a winning record the last three seasons not being the best QB but one that makes a few plays here or there and not turning the ball over. Of course a strong ground game and decent to good defense helps but there is no reason to think that the team can't have a decent defense again and Shady has 1 more good season. But I am more knocking the idea that McCarron will be this gunslinger or that because he isn't Tyrod all the QB issues go away. Whatever it is you think Tyrod brought to the game, McBeane & co. were over it... It's why they benched him to check out the rookie. -And, why the team traded him without evenhaving a replacement....There's no way they even LOOK at McCarron if they think he represents more of the same... Edited March 17, 2018 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, #34fan said: Whatever it is you think Tyrod brought to the game, McBeane & co. were over it... It's why they benched him to check out the rookie. -And, why the team traded him without evenhaving a replacement....There's no way they even LOOK at McCarron if they think he represents more of the same... Tyrod wasn't functioning well in the pocket, the system that McD wants to implement is one where a QB functions as a pocket pass. I don't think McD viewed Tyrod's mobility as a negative but they weren't going to build a system around his best asset if Tyrod just wasn't able to work effectively in the pocket. But I think that just because McCarron will function better in the pocket doesn't mean that all of these issues at QB are fixed. I think that McD and Beane feel as though McCarron is a better fit for the system they plan to run. But just because a QB might be a better fit to run the offensive scheme you plan to implement doesn't guarantee results. McCarron might work better out of the pocket but he likely isn't going to generate the same plays with his legs and who knows how aggressive the offense will be? McD is a conservative coach, in general, why wouldn't his offense be risk averse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Beebe Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: You never watched him in college, but you reviewed film of his handful of Bengals games from 3 years ago? Why do you find that hard to believe? , I will explain you are probably a man who studies football all year long and searches everywhere looking for players who would help the Bills. I am not. I am only interested in players on the Bills roster until they signed him I had no interest in him at all. I told you I don't watch college ball I don't think that what they did in college matters that much. I have seen to many college stars come to the NFL and suck. I am interested in the Bills when they play but I don't worry about them all year long. If I see they have picked up someone I check them out. From what I saw he is a pocket passer. Edited March 17, 2018 by Don Beebe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: Tyrod wasn't functioning well in the pocket, the system that McD wants to implement is one where a QB functions as a pocket pass. I don't think McD viewed Tyrod's mobility as a negative but they weren't going to build a system around his best asset if Tyrod just wasn't able to work effectively in the pocket. But I think that just because McCarron will function better in the pocket doesn't mean that all of these issues at QB are fixed. I think that McD and Beane feel as though McCarron is a better fit for the system they plan to run. But just because a QB might be a better fit to run the offensive scheme you plan to implement doesn't guarantee results. McCarron might work better out of the pocket but he likely isn't going to generate the same plays with his legs and who knows how aggressive the offense will be? McD is a conservative coach, in general, why wouldn't his offense be risk averse? It's McD's first HC gig... We really don't know what "type" of coach he is yet... -Not when it comes to offense... He's probably still trying to figure that out... The fact that he'd been trying to move on from Tyrod since week 11 of last season, suggests that he, at least, knows what he DOESN'T want... If you're calling TT a "game manager", then McBeane seems to be looking for something more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) Game manager is a bit subjective for me. One of the best game managers over the past 6 years has been Russell Wilson. If a guy is a game manager there will be a point where he has to step up and win the game. The quarter back needs to be able to lead a team down the field for a TD when that’s what is called for. Edited March 17, 2018 by atlbillsfan1975 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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