Doc Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, Chuck Wagon said: That is classic Bills, at least classic Ralph Wilson era Bills, setting a price they won't exceed and watching all the talent walk away. What do you define as "talent"? McCarron is the one of the last QBs to sign somewhere. If that doesn't tell you about what people think about him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 29 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Classic Bills. Everything falls right to land one of the top FA options at a potential discount and the guy is going to be a backup in New England instead. I can’t wait for the barnburner QB battle between Matt Moore / Mason Rudolph / Nathan Peterman McCarron isn't one of the " top FA options" at QB. Those players all agreed to deals with other teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said: That is classic Bills, at least classic Ralph Wilson era Bills, setting a price they won't exceed and watching all the talent walk away. All what talent? So the Bills are watching McCarron become the pats' Curtis Painter. Big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Buffalo still isn't a good option at all for any of these QBs. They are going to start (for now) with an extremely limiting cast of WRs. They are going to have a shiny new kid waiting and the minute the FA Vet QB slips up or the team drops a game or two people are going to be demanding the new kid... while the team intends to hand the steering wheel over before long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 34 minutes ago, SoTier said: What the hell is the fascination with AJ McCarron????? He's started 3 NFL games and played in 11 games, total, in 4 NFL seasons. He's attempted all of 133 passes. At best, he's a replacement for Peterman as as backup QB but a "bridge QB" he's a joke ... What have any of the kids coming out of college have done? McCarron has seen action in the NFL, yea we all know 3 games, but he has practice and preseason experience and has already had NFL coaching. If you can get him on a cap friendly deal that saves you money from what you were paying Taylor on a 2 year deal, then why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said: absolutely. Mcbeane is totally exposed right now, having traded TT, and left with dregs in FA. He only has Nate in what he calls a qb-driven league. No way would he expose himself without a trade-up deal in place for a day one starter. That gives us Rosen probably, Mayfield or Darnold possibly . It likely means Josh Allen isn't in the mix as well. Most people think he is a project and needs time to sit, same goes for Sam Darnold. Most likely down between Rosen and Mayfield IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said: That is classic Bills, at least classic Ralph Wilson era Bills, setting a price they won't exceed and watching all the talent walk away. What "talent" are the Bills "watching ... walk away"? Get a grip, dude! If AJ McCarron was such a great talent, he'd have been drafted higher than the fifth round. The Bills are looking for a modest veteran FA QB to serve, at best, as a placeholder for a season or part of one before they turn the reins over to the young QB they traded up for in 2018. "Veteran" means a player with more than 3 games of NFL experience. Somebody like Hoyer is adequate, and better than some others whose names have been bandied about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, May Day 10 said: Buffalo still isn't a good option at all for any of these QBs. They are going to start (for now) with an extremely limiting cast of WRs. They are going to have a shiny new kid waiting and the minute the FA Vet QB slips up or the team drops a game or two people are going to be demanding the new kid... while the team intends to hand the steering wheel over before long. It sure seems like the team is being shunned by FA QBs. I have to say I didn't see this coming. It reinforces McD's comment about not being as far along as fans think. I was really thinking an upgraded passing game to start 2018 was possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Why would AJ fight to get out of his contract in Cincy only to go to NE where he has no chance of starting. By the time Brady retires, his contract would be up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) Who cares who the bridge guy might be? Based solely on experience, I'd rather have Moore than McCarron anyway. Edited March 14, 2018 by Chicken Boo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 57 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I posted this in another thread but I think either they already know they are getting the guy they want, based on conversations with their strong connections at the top of the draft, or they are trading for Nick Foles. I hope, because, after McCarron and Foles, all options are 2nd teamers and a crap-shoot on getting the rookie you want. .... I am holding out for the best case scenario, a trade with the Colts for Luck. That would be nirvana. Edited March 14, 2018 by CSBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: That is classic Bills, at least classic Ralph Wilson era Bills, setting a price they won't exceed and watching all the talent walk away. How much talent? Nobody knows what he can do. More important for me would be his unwillingness to take a chance on himself. If being a backup is his choice then that’s what he is in his own mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said: Who cares who the bridge guy might be? Based solely on experience, I'd rather have Moore than McCarron. I want: 1.) Trevor Siemian 2.) AJ McCarron 3.) Tom Savage In that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: I want: 1.) Trevor Siemian 2.) AJ McCarron 3.) Tom Savage In that order. Any of them work for me. Siemian is a real option when the Broncos release him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookylookyherecomescookie Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: It likely means Josh Allen isn't in the mix as well. Most people think he is a project and needs time to sit, same goes for Sam Darnold. Most likely down between Rosen and Mayfield IMO. I agree. I think Rosen. Offense would have to more customized for Mayfield, then it's a problem if Nate has to come in because of injury to starter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 55 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I think if everything goes wrong in the draft that they will trade pick 22 for Foles. It's looking like AJ McCarron is going to the Patriots and just like in Alabama the Patriots will put talent around him and he will put up offensive numbers. I can see Brady retiring and the Patriots will still have the best QB in the East. Of course you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Yav said: What have any of the kids coming out of college have done? McCarron has seen action in the NFL, yea we all know 3 games, but he has practice and preseason experience and has already had NFL coaching. If you can get him on a cap friendly deal that saves you money from what you were paying Taylor on a 2 year deal, then why not? EJ Manuel. Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder all have NFL practice and preseason experience plus they have significant NFL regular season experience, too. Whoopty-doo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 54 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: I get it. Especially with the lack of experience that our QB coach has in that position, a vet that knows the system would be a good signing. I would just hope he doesn't see the field. AJ would be a nice flier if we weren't drafting a QB high. But as far as being a mentor I just don't see it. The lack of experience tells you something about the head coach; he has almost a blank check for our staff but for some positions especially on offense he seems to have trouble getting a good team together on opposite side of his strength. Compare that to LA Rams who brought in strongest possible DC. 50 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Classic Bills. Everything falls right to land one of the top FA options at a potential discount and the guy is going to be a backup in New England instead. I can’t wait for the barnburner QB battle between Matt Moore / Mason Rudolph / Nathan Peterman Interesting based on your avatar; I am assuming you are one of the indians circling the wagon firing arrows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, SoTier said: EJ Manuel. Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder all have NFL practice and preseason experience plus they have significant NFL regular season experience, too. Whoopty-doo. And each of them was a kid coming out of college that had multiple members on message boards all over the internet hoping their team would draft them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Why would AJ fight to get out of his contract in Cincy only to go to NE where he has no chance of starting. By the time Brady retires, his contract would be up He fought to get out of the predetermined pay scale as well. 13 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: It sure seems like the team is being shunned by FA QBs. I have to say I didn't see this coming. It reinforces McD's comment about not being as far along as fans think. I was really thinking an upgraded passing game to start 2018 was possible. It reinforces that there is not a lot of confidence on offense staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 What is more shocking? The outing of the flat earthers on this board, or the outing of the Cult of Mccarrons? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Limeaid said: It reinforces that there is not a lot of confidence on offense staff. No, it doesn't. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion around the league that the Bills are angling for a first round QB in the draft, so any veteran QB who signs here has to accept that he's here for a placeholder for that young QB. Backup QBs with aspirations to be starters don't want anything to do with the Bills; they're going to be interested in signing with teams where they have better opportunities to become starters. Think of Ryan Fitzpatrick signing first with the Bills and then with the Jests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc said: Yup, said that in another thread. Offer him the same as the Cheaters but tell him he'll have a chance to start. He has no chance to start in Cheaterland and will just be a backup for the years Tommy Boy has left. And then if he's still there when Tommy Boy retires, he'll have to be the guy to follow that legend. ....and probably on the wrong side of 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 so ...did he officially sign with the pats? i thought/think he will be in buffalo for a visit shortly. just because the pats made an offer doesn't mean he has no visit(s) scheduled. i believe i heard john murphy say he thinks he will be a bill.....fwiw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, SoTier said: No, it doesn't. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion around the league that the Bills are angling for a first round QB in the draft, so any veteran QB who signs here has to accept that he's here for a placeholder for that young QB. Backup QBs with aspirations to be starters don't want anything to do with the Bills; they're going to be interested in signing with teams where they have better opportunities to become starters. Think of Ryan Fitzpatrick signing first with the Bills and then with the Jests. I'm not sure that backing up Tom " I'm playing until I'm 50" Brady , then possibly beating out a Pats draft pick at some point to follow a legend is the better opportunity. At least,not better than beating out Nate Peterman and a ( high pick) rookie to start the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said: I agree. I think Rosen. Offense would have to more customized for Mayfield, then it's a problem if Nate has to come in because of injury to starter If Nate ever has to play again its a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 If we could get AJ for a reasonable price I think it would be a smart move. Even if we do get him I’m assuming that the bills will also trade up and get one of the top tier rookie quarterbacks. This gives the team at least two possibilities for getting a franchise quarterback. AJ may turn out to be what he has been so far, just a back up. Or he may be a franchise guy. It would be great to have him along with Rosen/Darnold/Allen to fight it out. I know most of you don’t agree with this but I would keep Peterman in the picture also. I’m not ready to give up on him. I would also be OK if the bills decided not to move up and let Jackson fall to them at 12. I think his upside may be as good as anyone else’s in the draft. For example, he already has one NFL skill that is, at this time, more advanced than Allen or Darnold - he can read defenses and go through progressions. He keeps his eyes down field even one under pressure and does not panic as opposed to our recently departed quarterback. Only Rosen’s skill set in this area at this time maybe equal or better in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I just don't see the infatuation with AJM ... but if the brain trust at OBD see something, I'm all in ... I trust the process. IMHO, the Pats* offer is kind of a blocking move to try to prevent the possibility that he goes to the Bills. They seem to go out of their way to weaken their opposition in the division, my case in point .... over paying for Gilmore ... acquiring Hogan ... acquiring Gillislee. I don't really pay close enough attention to know if the same situations occur between them and the Dolphins or Jets but I'd guess they do. Let's face it we will need another "arm" in the QB room. If they have faith that they will get the "next great QB" that extra arm doesn't need to be Super Bowl quality ... doesn't need to cost a bundle ... but DOES need to have a bit of experience. I just feel the Pats* are trying to block the next best obvious guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Excellent news!!! Thanks, Yolo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I think that A.J.'s agent is spreading these rumors in an attempt to create a market. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said: I think that A.J.'s agent is spreading these rumors in an attempt to create a market. My thought exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 And nothing of value was lost if he goes to Patriots. He's not a big deal. We have bigger game to think about. We got rid of Tyrod just for AJ McCarron?? We should have just kept Tyrod then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny3410 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Personally would still like to bring him in for a reasonable price. Although he really wouldn't be able to help our rookie like a veteran QB could in locker room. I guess I am on the fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: I think that A.J.'s agent is spreading these rumors in an attempt to create a market. Then he's a stupid agent if he thinks that spreading rumors about him signing with the Pats*** creates a market because the very nature of signing with a team CLOSES the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 8 hours ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said: I agee with you, but the tradup to 12 makes no sense if they are going with Foles Sure it does,you moved on From Glenn and moved up 9 spots. If you land Foles you don't need to trade up for one of those 3 QB's. They could trade down from 12 and get 3 picks or so to recoup what they spend on Foles. The rumour is Philly wants a 1st and Beane said no way and I agree a 2nd is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, K-9 said: Then he's a stupid agent if he thinks that spreading rumors about him signing with the Pats*** creates a market because the very nature of signing with a team CLOSES the market. The reports are that he's been offered a contract by the Cheaters, not that he signed with them. That potentially gets other teams motivated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 does anyone think that IF the Patsies** are interested maybe we should re consider? They have been a fountain of QB talent. first with Bledsoe, then with Brady, and then Jimmy G who at least the 49ers think is really good. Maybe they know something about QBs (and cheating) that we don't? besides, we need depth at the position. Now we literally have none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Doc said: The reports are that he's been offered a contract by the Cheaters, not that he signed with them. That potentially gets other teams motivated. ...probably waiting for OBD's offer, right?........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 How heartbreaking is this......NOT That means we get to watch him hold a clip board twice a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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