DCOrange Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) For those that might be wondering, basically anyone that throws less than 55 MPH has no chance of being successful in the NFL. Only like 2 QBs have been and one of those 2 is Tyrod. Notable guys that didn't make the cut: Mason Rudolph Kyle Lauletta Lamar Jackson Luke Falk Allen broke the record for strongest arm ever and Baker Mayfield is top 5 all time. http://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-2018-NFL-Combine/10241/dh/ Edit: I should add that tracking the ball velocity is still pretty young (I believe only going back to 2008 if I remember right), but the lack of success for anyone under 55 is pretty scary. Edited March 8, 2018 by DCOrange 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Stop making me want Mayfield. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 So Allen, Mayfield and Rosen have zip Rudolph and Jackson not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Lamar Jackson didn't even hit 50 wow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Give me velocity numbers during actual games. Combine numbers? Don't care. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Another reason to NOT like Jackson. 49mph, tied with Flowers for the lowest of any QB. Just say no. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Remember when Deshaun Watson had a 49 mph ball speed at the 2017 Combine. That really meant a lot in Houston. 10 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, H2o said: Another reason to NOT like Jackson. 49mph, tied with Flowers for the lowest of any QB. Just say no. DeSean Watson was around this last year if I remember correctly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just now, horned dogs said: DeSean Watson was around this last year if I remember correctly I believe he was exactly 49 as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Baker is the one that is impressive to me. I expected the rest. His arm is bigger than it feels. He had some zip all last week at the combine. That’s impressive. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Combine Velocities from 2008-2017: http://blogs.ourlads.com/2017/03/16/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 13 minutes ago, DCOrange said: For those that might be wondering, basically anyone that throws less than 55 MPH has no chance of being successful in the NFL. Only like 2 QBs have been and one of those 2 is Tyrod. Notable guys that didn't make the cut: Mason Rudolph Kyle Lauletta Lamar Jackson Luke Falk Allen broke the record for strongest arm ever and Baker Mayfield is top 5 all time. http://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-2018-NFL-Combine/10241/dh/ Edit: I should add that tracking the ball velocity is still pretty young (I believe only going back to 2008 if I remember right), but the lack of success for anyone under 55 is pretty scary. DeShaun appears to be an outlier as I believe there is a pretty decent correlation with this and future success from the past? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Remember when Deshaun Watson had a 49 mph ball speed at the 2017 Combine. That really meant a lot in Houston. Deshaun Watson is light years ahead of Jackson as a passer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Combine Velocities from 2008-2017: http://blogs.ourlads.com/2017/03/16/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/ Logan Thomas has a cannon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Combine Velocities from 2008-2017: http://blogs.ourlads.com/2017/03/16/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/ It does appear to be pretty scattered. Looks like you could say a preferred level for success is in the mid e50s. But, like I said ...scattered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 minute ago, H2o said: Deshaun Watson is light years ahead of Jackson as a passer. Watson has plenty to clean up in his game, but he makes plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 16 minutes ago, DCOrange said: For those that might be wondering, basically anyone that throws less than 55 MPH has no chance of being successful in the NFL. Where did this conclusion that anyone throwing less than 55 mph has "no chance" come from? 2017 Trubisky 51/50 Watson 45/45 Peterman 49/49 - throw him out NOW! (jk) 2016 Dak Prescott 54 2013 EJ Manuel 54 -hey that explains a lot, why didn't we follow the rules *g* And then how do you deal with the "did not throw" guys like Darnold, Derek Carr, Bridgewater, Andrew Luck, Bob Griffin, Tannehill etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonMan Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Interesting Notables under 55: Deshaun Watson - 45 Nate Peterman - 49 Dak Prescott- 54 Mitch Trubisky - 51 AJ McCarron - 53 It seems a bunch of starters are right around 55, including Wentz, Mahomes, Winston and Mariota. The number appears arbitrary to me and may not be applicable in game conditions. Peterman’s ball seems a lot slower to me in game situations than Watson’s but he was 4mph faster at the combine. EdW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 For more context behind the history of the ball velocity stuff: https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/3/10/14890754/cleveland-browns-2017-nfl-scouting-combine-qb-velocity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 35 minutes ago, DCOrange said: For those that might be wondering, basically anyone that throws less than 55 MPH has no chance of being successful in the NFL. Only like 2 QBs have been and one of those 2 is Tyrod. Notable guys that didn't make the cut: Mason Rudolph Kyle Lauletta Lamar Jackson Luke Falk Allen broke the record for strongest arm ever and Baker Mayfield is top 5 all time. http://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-2018-NFL-Combine/10241/dh/ Edit: I should add that tracking the ball velocity is still pretty young (I believe only going back to 2008 if I remember right), but the lack of success for anyone under 55 is pretty scary. Pretty sure we argued about this last year with Watson and he proved everyone wrong. Watson had the athletic ability and accuracy to make up for it though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 32 minutes ago, horned dogs said: DeSean Watson was around this last year if I remember correctly 45, per the link above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, DCOrange said: For those that might be wondering, basically anyone that throws less than 55 MPH has no chance of being successful in the NFL. Only like 2 QBs have been and one of those 2 is Tyrod. Notable guys that didn't make the cut: Mason Rudolph Kyle Lauletta Lamar Jackson Luke Falk Allen broke the record for strongest arm ever and Baker Mayfield is top 5 all time. http://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-2018-NFL-Combine/10241/dh/ Edit: I should add that tracking the ball velocity is still pretty young (I believe only going back to 2008 if I remember right), but the lack of success for anyone under 55 is pretty scary. Very impressive for Rosen and Mayfield. I thought Jackson had a bigger arm than that. That is another red flag for him with the accuracy issues. The other guys didn't have great arms on tape so I am not surprised. There are not many pocket passers that make it with low velocity. I would be a little worried expecting Falk or Lauletta to be anything more than backups. I still think Rudolph has a chance though. Edited March 8, 2018 by billspro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mij yllek Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Here is a much more comprehensive assessment of the QB's: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-rankings-accuracy-arm-strength-and-everything-to-know-about-qbs/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmuggs Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Did you just call TRod successful??? bwahahahaha!!!???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Bwahahahahaha!!! Folks... look at who has the weakest arm... wow... what a bunch crap. Doesn't seem to jibe with reality... in the same way Tyrod was measured as having a weak arm But according to this, Jackson's arm is weaker than Tyrod's... and both their arms are weaker than EVERY other QB measured at the 2018 Combine. Anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 I will admit that Chad Pennington's was probably about 34, but he was a successful QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Hmmm. Tyrod Taylor - 50 It is an interesting stat, and obviously the stronger the arm the better, but arm strength is one thing a QB can develop. I suspect there have been successful QBs who could only throw in the upper 40s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 ok - Fake news Benjamin AllbrightVerified account @AllbrightNFL 13m13 minutes ago Since apparently it wasn't clear to some, the combine velocity numbers released earlier are NOT the ones I use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 yeah, this crap has been largely debunked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Silliness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheRockpile Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Quote They tell me "Two MPH ball velocity isn't a big difference..." It's about a yard per second (2.934 feet) In a vacuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Mij yllek said: Here is a much more comprehensive assessment of the QB's: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-rankings-accuracy-arm-strength-and-everything-to-know-about-qbs/ I think it's pretty safe to say that Chris Trapasso is a Mason Rudolph fan... lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 7 hours ago, DCOrange said: For those that might be wondering, basically anyone that throws less than 55 MPH has no chance of being successful in the NFL. Only like 2 QBs have been and one of those 2 is Tyrod. Notable guys that didn't make the cut: Mason Rudolph Kyle Lauletta Lamar Jackson Luke Falk Allen broke the record for strongest arm ever and Baker Mayfield is top 5 all time. http://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-2018-NFL-Combine/10241/dh/ Edit: I should add that tracking the ball velocity is still pretty young (I believe only going back to 2008 if I remember right), but the lack of success for anyone under 55 is pretty scary. He'll Yeah! My boy Mayfield! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 7 hours ago, H2o said: Another reason to NOT like Jackson. 49mph, tied with Flowers for the lowest of any QB. Just say no. And iirc, the same a Deshaun Watson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 That spreadsheet is increasingly devalued and its arbitrary "minimum thresholds" need to be consigned to the NFL history bin with 12 round drafts, coaches wearing fedoras and the Houston Oilers. Look, I get it, we live in the analytics age and there is a deep desire to build metrics that you can predict future success against. But the 55mph was absolute nonsense in the first place because the spreadsheet never had measurements for guys who would to the eye at least not have the strongest arms but went on to show they could play - Matt Ryan being the key one. The fact is that 55mph is not predictive factor in a guy's success as an NFL Quarterback. Nor is hand size. You want to know the best way to predict whether someone will succeed in the NFL? Watch their college tape and interrogate it thoroughly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 46 minutes ago, NewEra said: And iirc, the same a Deshaun Watson And iirc, he can't hold Watson's jock as a passer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 I remember arguing with people for a year that Mayfield has a great arm. People are so lazy with their analysis that you have a guy who is 6’0 they immediately question his arm strength but don’t watch tape. Ball explodes off his hand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Mayfield just keeps warming my heart more and more each day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 A lot of the velocity numbers are a direct result of form. Jackson for instance throws all arm, doesnt get his lower body into it. Rudolph trying to drop back was absolutely comical. The guy is not a QB. Who doesn't know how to do a 3 step drop? I know a lot of guys like Mayfield and he showed good velocity because he gets his whole body into it. A little too much in fact. He has to step up and basically do a curl hop to throw a deep ball. The pocket isn't that large in the NFL to be able to do that, especially when you are short. You need to keep a certain depth otherwise you are stepping right into the pass rush. Josh Rosen has flawless form and maybe he's not the best arm but he's right up there because he is well balanced and has a nice motion. All of the drills Tom Brady does with Tom House, I saw that in action with Rosen. I would bet anything that he has worked with him. Absolute perfection. Josh Allen it's just pure natural talent. His drop back was actually very nice and I was surprised. I don't know if he's been working on it or if he's just a pure thrower of the football. The numbers speak for themselves. The guy is next level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 24 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: I remember arguing with people for a year that Mayfield has a great arm. People are so lazy with their analysis that you have a guy who is 6’0 they immediately question his arm strength but don’t watch tape. Ball explodes off his hand. Best QB in the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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