Dan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 39 minutes ago, Tsaikotic said: reading that article, if they do hire Chud, sounds like they might keep the same zone scheme...Im just hoping he brings in a different line coach to teach better...another thing from that article is that he likes TE's so maybe the Bills draft TE Mark Andrews in the 2nd to pair with Clay...the parts that stood out to me most was the comments made by Pagano: “Chud is a creative guy, a smart guy,” Chuck Pagano says. ”He will do a great job of utilizing the talent that we have. He will play to our strengths and he will do a good job of trying to exploit our opponents weaknesses and get those (favorable) matchups.”...something Dennison wasnt doing enough of in Buff In the history of histories has there ever been a coach hired that said... I have a system that I will install. I know it doesn't really fit the players, but they will have to figure it out because that's all I know how to do. They all say the right thing.. And then do what they've always done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Chadwick Bay Chad said: Mike Tice for offensive line coach and we are currently negotiating with Mike McCoy oc My sources are telling me the negotiations with Tice are breaking down and he is now unlikely to sign with the Bills, and i have the best and most stable sources. Edited January 12, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: My sources are telling me the negotiations with Tice are breaking down and he is now unlikely to sign with the Bills, and i have the best and most stable sources. Geniuses, even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Don't worry, foregone conclusion. Dude i hope so. Casilllo might stay since he was hired directly from derm but if we're lucky the OC brings his own OL coordinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) I would now suspect that no actions will be taken regarding the QB position until we have a new OC. Edited January 12, 2018 by Rocky Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, Rocky Landing said: I would now suspect that no decision will be made regarding the QB position until we have a new OC. We'll have a new OC by Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 18 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: My sources are telling me the negotiations with Tice are breaking down and he is now unlikely to sign with the Bills, and i have the best and most stable sources. I have the best sources. My sources are huge. The greatest sources ever. I mean really great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 The thing to realize is that the next OC for this team is likely Buffalo swinging for the fences, in an attempt to pair said OC with their hopeful franchise guy at QB. Exciting times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, MDFan said: I have the best sources. My sources are huge. The greatest sources ever. I mean really great. ....Billy Fucillo??............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Part of the blame here goes to McDermott - he should never have hired an OC that was going to change around what was successful. Switching blocking schemes and having TT in a west coast offense were recipes for disaster that were predictable, so he should not have hired Dennison in the first place. Most coaches big faults lie in imposing their scheme onto the personnel as opposed to vice - versa. Marv Levy's greatest coaching achievement was recognizing the K-Gun and the weapons we had and switching from his conservative offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: At least twice he commented Shady WASN’T playing -including Friday. Then he hedged his bet. So that one’s off the table. Dennison gettting canned HAD to happen w/ One offensive TD in the last 7 games. So, yes, he called the Kyle play -which means he does have some insight on the team, as many defensive players didn’t know about it til it happened. He called a big play. Biggest in Bills history (or some such). I do do not believe he said Kyle before the fact. Has he been specific well then he would have been spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: You are the one that said that he was the scapegoat. I asked you where he succeeded. All that you could say is that you liked his passing concepts (despite the fact that that passing game was much worse). They were worse at running, blocking, throwing, scoring, executing in the red zone, qb development, and taking care of the football. That is what got worse this year off the top of my head. How in the world can the guy in charge of that collapse be considered a scapegoat? He was a massive failure as an OC. The sad part is you are trying to defend him without a single success to point to. Kyle Williams had more rushing TD's this year than the previous 12 combined. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, ticketssince61 said: Part of the blame here goes to McDermott - he should never have hired an OC that was going to change around what was successful. Switching blocking schemes and having TT in a west coast offense were recipes for disaster that were predictable, so he should not have hired Dennison in the first place. Most coaches big faults lie in imposing their scheme onto the personnel as opposed to vice - versa. Marv Levy's greatest coaching achievement was recognizing the K-Gun and the weapons we had and switching from his conservative offense How many good coaching minds wanted to hinge their career on Tyrod? If we get someone good I suspect it means we are going all in at the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I'm assuming this means Castillo is gone too. Unclear. Didn't McDermott hire him before he hired Dennison? I wasn't a fan when he was in Baltimore, and I sure-'nuff wasn't a fan last year either, so I'd like to see us try someone new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Livinginthepast said: Wow its nice to see some common sense prevail at 1BD in regards to Dennison. Yes TT is not up to snuff but neither was Dennison. He needed to be fired. I'm glad they held him accountable for some of the bad decisions and the Offense's regression. I am relieved that all the talk that Dennison might be retained is over. Too many times in the last 20 years the Bills have made totally inane decisions on coach hires, on players, on drafting on playcalling and the people responsible are allowed to keep their jobs only to continue unsurprisingly, to make the same bad decisions. Only then are they fired after even more damage is done. Now at least McD has chance to start fresh. Lets get an innovative coordinator who accentuates the offensive players strengths and skills and can think on his feet!! AMEN! Totally agree! If you think the coach will learn from it or can that’s another thing. It’s unable, unwilling, unemployed. IMO Dennison was unable and unwilling, thusly, unemployed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: I doubt that he’s back. The only thing that I was saying is that they will certainly ask the new OC about him and all offensive players. It will actually be interesting for guys like Clay and Incognito. Clay has been the leading receiver for all 3 years IIRC. (he was in15 until he got injured). Incognito? Can’t say I’ve heard much bad about his play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 45 minutes ago, Chadwick Bay Chad said: Mike Tice for offensive line coach and we are currently negotiating with Mike McCoy oc It's over, you've been exposed as a liar and a hack troll. Walk away. Your attempts at completely ignoring when you are pwned and just talking about other stuff are futile. You know nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 54 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: Just so I can keep up with the thread Had it degenerated down to "Yah we got rid of the OC" or "Oh no TT is still on the team it was not Rico's fault" Any chance it might be BOTH Yes it can. One down, a new hire and one to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Jauronimo said: I would tend to agree. I think we all need to cut Dennison a little slack since Tyrod is basically still a rookie. Dennison did pretty well all things considered. Disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 5 hours ago, Tsaikotic said: I could be wrong, but at the time McD was setting up his staff McCoy was out of a job and most likely was McD's first choice...McCoy chose Denver and then McD had to go next on list...I also believe Chud was employed at this time so his name most likely didnt come up as a candidate...now both are unemployed and we will have to wait to see who McD hires...according to Joe B., McD has a really close connection with Chud I am going to suggest this pick over McCoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Clay has been the leading receiver for all 3 years IIRC. (he was in15 until he got injured). Incognito? Can’t say I’ve heard much bad about his play. ...Richie?...seriously?...he has been a left side stalwart and watching him pull is classic guard play.....damn zebras just don't understand him with the bogus holding calls.....I refer to them as "momentarily detaining" the opposition....no harm, NO foul...... Edited January 12, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, ticketssince61 said: Part of the blame here goes to McDermott - he should never have hired an OC that was going to change around what was successful. Switching blocking schemes and having TT in a west coast offense were recipes for disaster that were predictable, so he should not have hired Dennison in the first place. Most coaches big faults lie in imposing their scheme onto the personnel as opposed to vice - versa. Marv Levy's greatest coaching achievement was recognizing the K-Gun and the weapons we had and switching from his conservative offense You know, I'll admit it - I had no idea it was going to be this bad. Please keep in mind that what Greg Roman and Anthony Lynn ran is called a West Coast Offense. So technically, we went from WCO to WCO. I was skeptical because it sure looked as though the Broncs O took some big steps back when Dennison came on board. But the Ravens under Kubiak in 2014 took a step forward from the previous or subsequent year, and the Houston offense stayed consistent when Dennison took over from Kyle Shanahan until Foster got injured and Schaub got the Yips or his arm fell off or whatevs. I said "OK, worked with Taylor in Baltimore, ran a strong run game with Houston...I quaffed some Kool-Aid and said maybe he learned from what he tried putting Manning under center, it's his big shot to get out from Kubiak's shadow blah blah blah blah" Well he didn't. So now we cross our fingers and hope that the next guy gets it done. 4 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: I am going to suggest this pick (Chud) over McCoy. Agreed Edited January 12, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, Manther said: Disagree Well that's silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: It is very strange that they fired Dennison before Taylor. Why give another OC an option to keep Taylor. Really? Not strange. I explain. Northern Hemisphere. Harvest sugar snap peas in the spring. Harvest brussel sprouts in the fall. It's the seasonal tempo of Mom Nature. NFL. Make a coaching change in January. Trade or release players under contract when the new league year starts in March. It's the seasonal tempo of the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 6 hours ago, kdiggz said: YAAAAAY! PRAISE THE LORD!!! Vic CarucciVerified account @viccarucci 1m1 minute ago More #Bills are firing Rick Dennison as offensive coordinator. Yahoo! About 3 months too late. But good news, indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Jauronimo said: I would tend to agree. I think we all need to cut Dennison a little slack since Tyrod is basically still a rookie. Dennison did pretty well all things considered. but you're still not getting my Bud Lite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 39 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Kyle Williams had more rushing TD's this year than the previous 12 combined. Ha ha, well played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 5 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: I think I might flip DeFilippo and Daboll, now that I've thought two more minutes about it. that would be a trip. what the heck? Do It ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 29 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Clay has been the leading receiver for all 3 years IIRC. (he was in15 until he got injured). Incognito? Can’t say I’ve heard much bad about his play. I like them both and want them both back. I’m just thinking with their cap numbers they could be casualties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: but you're still not getting my Bud Lite. and this is one of two reasons I respect you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I like them both and want them both back. I’m just thinking with their cap numbers they could be casualties. Cutting Clay would be a ridiculous mistake. Zero savings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Really? Not strange. I explain. Northern Hemisphere. Harvest sugar snap peas in the spring. Harvest brussel sprouts in the fall. It's the seasonal tempo of Mom Nature. NFL. Make a coaching change in January. Trade or release players under contract when the new league year starts in March. It's the seasonal tempo of the NFL. ....EXACTLY Hap....as the coaching world turns....cut Dennison loose now and maybe he hooks on......at the same time, the OC vacancy is public...plenty of time with TT...FA starts 3/14 and his $6 mil roster bonus is due 3/16 leaving a two day window to possibly make a trade.......or you eat the $6mil and continue to work the phones for something...Beane & McD will have some decisions to make............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I like them both and want them both back. I’m just thinking with their cap numbers they could be casualties. Clay has no one behind him yet does he? i mean one who can bring his game, currently on the Bills roster. depends on what Offense is coming perhaps. I think he would be willing to renegotiate. Bad knees and winding down ( imo). Very good player. just overpaid. as they needed to to acquire him it seemed at the time. Logan Thomas dropped an important ball or two. and O Leary ? Love him Losing Clay is a big drop off in talent Edited January 12, 2018 by 3rdand12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 45 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Unclear. Didn't McDermott hire him before he hired Dennison? I wasn't a fan when he was in Baltimore, and I sure-'nuff wasn't a fan last year either, so I'd like to see us try someone new. He did but the way I would see it is a top candidate OC would want to assemble his own staff instead of giving one from an under performing unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I like them both and want them both back. I’m just thinking with their cap numbers they could be casualties. They can always try to renegotiate the $. Clay has been the leader 3 straight hard to let that go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: He did but the way I would see it is a top candidate OC would want to assemble his own staff instead of giving one from an under performing unit. I guess I was thinking, if McDermott hired Castillo in the thinking he might hire McCoy, then maybe McCoy wants Castillo and if we hire McCoy ... Never mind, I'm confusing myself 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 26 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: that would be a trip. what the heck? Do It ! On boy, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! I feel so good I could spit in Potter's eye! I think I will, I think I will! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: On boy, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! I feel so good I could spit in Potter's eye! I think I will, I think I will! see? you get it !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 6 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said: If Mike McCoy is hired, he absolutely gets credit in my book. if Mike Tice is brought on board too, then I am a true believer. Meh.. firing Dennison wasn't that hard to make a leap at. McCoy was McD's first choice so that's not hard to take a leap at either. The last one... maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 56 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Really? Not strange. I explain. Northern Hemisphere. Harvest sugar snap peas in the spring. Harvest brussel sprouts in the fall. It's the seasonal tempo of Mom Nature. NFL. Make a coaching change in January. Trade or release players under contract when the new league year starts in March. It's the seasonal tempo of the NFL. Thank you, I do enjoy my sugar snap pee's and bathing salts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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