DefenseWins Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 https://www.yahoo.com/sports/baker-mayfield-next-russell-wilson-154719100.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Too bad he does not possess Wilson's character and attitude. Likely the deal breaker for him landing in Buffalo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I want him 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, mead107 said: I want him Does your wife know? 1 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 That Goff/Elway comparison is ridiculous. They played in complete different eras and it is well known that offensive numbers blew up over the last 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 If the Bills love him and believe he's a franchise QB, then I think you have to try to trade up to #4 Cleveland's second pick. It's an awfully big risk to allow Denver and the Jets to make their selections, there is a decent chance they could very well select Mayfield. I think Mayfield is going to be a good QB in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I’m man crushin on him the most. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Intriguing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I don’t want another short QB. Unless somehow it’s Drew Brees, I want a normal height QB. I’m tired of having to only check a few of the boxes. I want an all around good player at the position for a change. It’s been damn near 30 years here...Let’s make a move at some point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 i dunno know but anyone comparing him to tebow as mentioned in the article willl make me think twice.....tebow was beyond god awful....havent followed college ball but can this guy really be the surprise in the draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I agree he has the tools to develop into another Russel Wilson. He's technically very sound, has good footwork, compact throwing motion, quick release, good field vision, accurate, strong arm. He will have to tone down his enthusiasm a bit, though hopefully not his leadership, when he starts playing with adults. Somehow tho my gut tells me that Beane is looking for the prototypical big boy pocket passer. Maybe Rudolph as many have speculated. He'll probably be off the board well before we get to pick anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Sounds like Mayfield's agent has a friend at Yahoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 The combine should be real interesting this year at least... I don't have a favorite at this point. I assume that Darnold and Rosen will be 1-2 off the board. Rudolph vs Mayfield... I like Rudolph's size and his stats are outstanding over the last 3 years - getting better each year, seemingly... I think you need to trade up to #3 if it's available - which I would assume it is... I don't see the Jets sitting still and letting us get the 3rd best QB in this draft without a fight... You can probrably add a couple or 3 other teams to that thought as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Do we have the organization and coaching to produce a franchise QB? That's the big question. You have to pick the right guy, but you also have to put him in the right situation. Goff was well on his way to being a bust before a new coach turned him around. Wentz walked into a good situation in Philly. Solid O-Line and good organization. Cleveland could draft second coming of John Elway and I'd still think he has no chance of success with the current state of that franchise. Bills seem to be as stable an organization from top to bottom and in the best shape they've been in a long time. Now's the time to take a chance and go get the franchise QB. I'd go up for Darnold, but that's just one man's uninformed opinion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 “IMO” This guys attitude doesn’t strike me as a “McDermott” guy. That is pure speculation obviously. To me, I feel like these guys in charge would move heaven and earth to get a guy like Darnold. And when I say “a guy like,” I mean Darnold. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Im not a mayfield fan. If Buffalo drafted i would support him but wouldnt have high expectations. Only thing similar to Wilson is height imo. Maybe he is brees just as likely hes manziel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said: Sounds like Mayfield's agent has a friend at Yahoo. He does not have an agent.yahoo has another story about it. 24 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: “IMO” This guys attitude doesn’t strike me as a “McDermott” guy. That is pure speculation obviously. To me, I feel like these guys in charge would move heaven and earth to get a guy like Darnold. And when I say “a guy like,” I mean Darnold. He’s a hard worker, with a chip on his shoulder and a true team leader, why is that not a fit? Because he got drunk once and made a mistake? He’s brash but not disruptive. 2 hours ago, simool said: Too bad he does not possess Wilson's character and attitude. Likely the deal breaker for him landing in Buffalo. His character and attitude concerns are in line with Cam Newton when he was coming out, his competitive nature and brash approach are also similar to Newton. So the coach and GM have selected a guy with this kind of attitude before. Edited January 12, 2018 by Batman1876 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 He's a fiery leader with a great arm. He's a gunslinger. During the draft they will no doubt monitor what's going on, and will get whichever quarterback they want. They have plenty of picks to take their choice. Think about this: what would you have given up to get Jim Kelly? He was #14 in the draft. We picked a tight end at #12!! i would have given up an entire draft to get Jim Kelly. We can certainly give up a couple number one picks to get who we decide is going to take us through the next decade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I don’t want another short QB. Unless somehow it’s Drew Brees, I want a normal height QB. I’m tired of having to only check a few of the boxes. I want an all around good player at the position for a change. It’s been damn near 30 years here...Let’s make a move at some point. 57 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Do we have the organization and coaching to produce a franchise QB? That's the big question. You have to pick the right guy, but you also have to put him in the right situation. Goff was well on his way to being a bust before a new coach turned him around. Wentz walked into a good situation in Philly. Solid O-Line and good organization. Cleveland could draft second coming of John Elway and I'd still think he has no chance of success with the current state of that franchise. Bills seem to be as stable an organization from top to bottom and in the best shape they've been in a long time. Now's the time to take a chance and go get the franchise QB. I'd go up for Darnold, but that's just one man's uninformed opinion. Yes. THIS. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp on da' net Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 hours ago, TC in St. Louis said: He's a fiery leader with a great arm. He's a gunslinger. During the draft they will no doubt monitor what's going on, and will get whichever quarterback they want. They have plenty of picks to take their choice. Think about this: what would you have given up to get Jim Kelly? He was #14 in the draft. We picked a tight end at #12!! i would have given up an entire draft to get Jim Kelly. We can certainly give up a couple number one picks to get who we decide is going to take us through the next decade. Are you comparing Mayfield to Jimbo??? I will wait and see how he preforms during the Senior Bowl week to see if he has the ability to handle being under center & reading a base defense (w/a select senior line up) before casting my vote...none of this years crop of QB are a sure fire NFL player, they're all gonna need time to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 6 hours ago, simool said: Too bad he does not possess Wilson's character and attitude. Likely the deal breaker for him landing in Buffalo. Yeah but he's more competitive so ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Super Bowl coming up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 6 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I don’t want another short QB. Unless somehow it’s Drew Brees, I want a normal height QB. I’m tired of having to only check a few of the boxes. I want an all around good player at the position for a change. It’s been damn near 30 years here...Let’s make a move at some point. 1 This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 6 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I don’t want another short QB. Unless somehow it’s Drew Brees, I want a normal height QB. I’m tired of having to only check a few of the boxes. I want an all around good player at the position for a change. It’s been damn near 30 years here...Let’s make a move at some point. What if he is better than Brees ?? You should watch him first before dismissing him out of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 5 hours ago, DefenseWins said: The combine should be real interesting this year at least... I don't have a favorite at this point. I assume that Darnold and Rosen will be 1-2 off the board. Rudolph vs Mayfield... I like Rudolph's size and his stats are outstanding over the last 3 years - getting better each year, seemingly... I think you need to trade up to #3 if it's available - which I would assume it is... I don't see the Jets sitting still and letting us get the 3rd best QB in this draft without a fight... You can probrably add a couple or 3 other teams to that thought as well.... Assuming everyone throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) The two QB's I want are Rosen or Mayfield. The cost for Rosen will be huge if we go that route. Mayfield has a chance to be there when we pick because of different variables. I still think Mayfield is the best QB in the draft, but I think Rosen is the more prototypical of the two and will be a Franchise QB also. Mayfield would be fine by me. I've seen the guy make every throw, in every situation, make it accurately, and when the game was on the line. Edited January 12, 2018 by H2o 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Yeah but he's more competitive so ... Alot of wanna be football executives on this board would also say that when Sammy Watkins went to the press with his minimum targets request he was being more competitive. BS. I think it will be a cold day in hell before you see McDermott and Beane draft a blowhard like Mayfield. Regardless of perceived talent. With a caveat... If he drops to the second or third round then I could see them playing the risk reward game. 7 hours ago, Batman1876 said: His character and attitude concerns are in line with Cam Newton when he was coming out, his competitive nature and brash approach are also similar to Newton. So the coach and GM have selected a guy with this kind of attitude before. No Marty Hurney selected a guy like this before. McDermott had been with the Panthers for a couple of months at that point and as a newly hired DC likely had ZERO input into it. Beane was director of football operations at the time. Your take is very presumptious. Both did get to witness Cam opening his big mouth on several occasions and choke on the hard one in the Super Bowl. Edited January 12, 2018 by simool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: What if he is better than Brees ?? You should watch him first before dismissing him out of hand. There is a lot to like about Mayfield's play for the NFL. He is a gritty gunslinger quarterback who has an "it factor" to his game. Mayfield doesn't have a strong arm, but it is good enough to make the throws required in the NFL. One of Mayfield's most impressive strengths as a passer is being able to locate the ball well and throw receivers open. He is very good with his timing and trajectory on passes to hit receivers on the run and set them up for lots of yards after the catch. Mayfield is very skilled to loft in touch passes downfield and throws a very catchable ball. He can be an accurate passer with superb ball placement. "Mayfield is undersized for the NFL with just average arm strength. He can have issues reading defenses because of his height, throwing into tight windows, and will have a big adjustment in learning to work under center, call plays, and operate a pro style offense. One big area of improvement for Mayfield is his footwork as he gets happy feet in the pocket. One college scouting director told me that Mayfield's feet are terrible. In speaking to multiple teams, they had second-day grades on Mayfield, but that doesn't mean he won't go in the first round of the 2018 NFL Draft." http://walterfootball.com/draft2018QB.php The one thing that makes Drew Brees so great is his uncanny passing accuracy. I watched him as a young prospect throwing at tires and all he did was pass through each and every one he threw the ball at. If Mayfield has that kind of accuracy then yea, sign me up as wanting this kid. The other thing I would be concerned about is his arm strength as those swirling winds in Buffalo can give QBs fits. Looks to me like Mayfield might be best suited to play in a dome like Russell. BTW, Brees is only 6'0'' and Mayfield is 6'2''. Teams needing a QB, #1 Cleveland, #2 NY Giants, #5 Denver, #6 NY Jets, # 15 Arizona, #21 Buffalo. Many sites have Mayfield going as early as #5 to Denver or #6 to the NY Jets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 8 hours ago, Batman1876 said: His character and attitude concerns are in line with Cam Newton when he was coming out, his competitive nature and brash approach are also similar to Newton. So the coach and GM have selected a guy with this kind of attitude before. Cam Newton also has half a foot and 25+ lbs on Mayfield, and is still a more explosive athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: What if he is better than Brees ?? You should watch him first before dismissing him out of hand. I have watched him several times. I don’t want him. Im not saying he’s not good, I’m not saying he won’t be good. I just don’t think it will work, mainly because of his height and I would rather let another team take that chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 9 hours ago, Batman1876 said: He does not have an agent.yahoo has another story about it. He’s a hard worker, with a chip on his shoulder and a true team leader, why is that not a fit? Because he got drunk once and made a mistake? He’s brash but not disruptive. His character and attitude concerns are in line with Cam Newton when he was coming out, his competitive nature and brash approach are also similar to Newton. So the coach and GM have selected a guy with this kind of attitude before. good points all. let's all please remember that Jim Kelly wasn't exactly a choir boy in college, USFL career, and early on in Buffalo. What I like about Mayfield is his fight. He's got good technical proficiency, but his desire to win is an intangible that he has and tryhard doesnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdFront_USAF Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 12 hours ago, Magox said: If the Bills love him and believe he's a franchise QB, then I think you have to try to trade up to #4 Cleveland's second pick. It's an awfully big risk to allow Denver and the Jets to make their selections, there is a decent chance they could very well select Mayfield. I think Mayfield is going to be a good QB in this league. This is why watching Denver during the offseason will be huge. I think Denver is still in "win now" mode, having a very talented veteran team. That makes me think they will be looking for one of the high priced free agents this year, maybe Cousins or a trade for Smith. Grooming a rookie qb might not be in their best interest, as many of the top players on the team could be old/gone by the time the qb is ready to make a big push. If they do land a free agent, they will be potential trade targets. If not, we would have to cough up even more to swing a deal with the Colts for #3. Only way to guarantee landing Mayfield if he's our target, as he won't get past Denver and the Jets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, ColdFront_USAF said: This is why watching Denver during the offseason will be huge. I think Denver is still in "win now" mode, having a very talented veteran team. That makes me think they will be looking for one of the high priced free agents this year, maybe Cousins or a trade for Smith. Grooming a rookie qb might not be in their best interest, as many of the top players on the team could be old/gone by the time the qb is ready to make a big push. If they do land a free agent, they will be potential trade targets. If not, we would have to cough up even more to swing a deal with the Colts for #3. Only way to guarantee landing Mayfield if he's our target, as he won't get past Denver and the Jets. 4 You actually think Andy Reid is going to help a division rival get better? You can't believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdFront_USAF Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, NewEraBills said: You actually think Andy Reid is going to help a division rival get better? You can't believe that. Maybe if he could take some draft picks or talent away from them in exchange for a quarterback that he knows how to beat better than anybody in football. Sounds like a good deal to me if Mahomes is ready. Take some picks from Denver and make game planning for them a lot easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, ColdFront_USAF said: Maybe if he could take some draft picks or talent away from them in exchange for a quarterback that he knows how to beat better than anybody in football. Sounds like a good deal to me if Mahomes is ready. Take some picks from Denver and make game planning for them a lot easier. How many teams actually trade a "significant player" to a division rival? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdFront_USAF Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, NewEraBills said: How many teams actually trade a "significant player" to a division rival? Im not saying that will happen. It was just an example. The point was that Denver IMO is more likely to go the veteran route at qb, which would make them a potential trade target. The semantics of who they trade for what qb or what they pay someone in free agency is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, ColdFront_USAF said: Im not saying that will happen. It was just an example. The point was that Denver IMO is more likely to go the veteran route at qb, which would make them a potential trade target. The semantics of who they trade for what qb or what they pay someone in free agency is irrelevant. To me Denver could go either way. They could go the vet route. They could also take a rookie. It's really all they need to get back into the postseason. Defense is solidified. Offense has weapons and the OL is intact. All they need is a franchise QB and maybe a great HB talent. Broncos actually could try to move up to the Giants spot and take Barkley if they sign a FA Vet QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdFront_USAF Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, NewEraBills said: To me Denver could go either way. They could go the vet route. They could also take a rookie. It's really all they need to get back into the postseason. Defense is solidified. Offense has weapons and the OL is intact. All they need is a franchise QB and maybe a great HB talent. Broncos actually could try to move up to the Giants spot and take Barkley if they sign a FA Vet QB. They definitely could go either way, agreed. That's why I'll be watching them closely during the offseason. If they don't sign someone we would have to trade with the Colts to get a top qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, ColdFront_USAF said: They definitely could go either way, agreed. That's why I'll be watching them closely during the offseason. If they don't sign someone we would have to trade with the Colts to get a top qb. Hoping the Broncos sign a vet then trade with the Giants to take Barkley at 2 would actually be good for us because the Colts probably covet Barkley. If the Broncos make that trade then the Colts would probably be more willing to trade the pick. However, if the Giants covet Rosen they're not trading. In any case I love this time of year as we guess all of the scenarios that probably will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Nihilarian said: There is a lot to like about Mayfield's play for the NFL. He is a gritty gunslinger quarterback who has an "it factor" to his game. Mayfield doesn't have a strong arm, but it is good enough to make the throws required in the NFL. One of Mayfield's most impressive strengths as a passer is being able to locate the ball well and throw receivers open. He is very good with his timing and trajectory on passes to hit receivers on the run and set them up for lots of yards after the catch. Mayfield is very skilled to loft in touch passes downfield and throws a very catchable ball. He can be an accurate passer with superb ball placement. "Mayfield is undersized for the NFL with just average arm strength. He can have issues reading defenses because of his height, throwing into tight windows, and will have a big adjustment in learning to work under center, call plays, and operate a pro style offense. One big area of improvement for Mayfield is his footwork as he gets happy feet in the pocket. One college scouting director told me that Mayfield's feet are terrible. In speaking to multiple teams, they had second-day grades on Mayfield, but that doesn't mean he won't go in the first round of the 2018 NFL Draft." http://walterfootball.com/draft2018QB.php The one thing that makes Drew Brees so great is his uncanny passing accuracy. I watched him as a young prospect throwing at tires and all he did was pass through each and every one he threw the ball at. If Mayfield has that kind of accuracy then yea, sign me up as wanting this kid. The other thing I would be concerned about is his arm strength as those swirling winds in Buffalo can give QBs fits. Looks to me like Mayfield might be best suited to play in a dome like Russell. BTW, Brees is only 6'0'' and Mayfield is 6'2''. Teams needing a QB, #1 Cleveland, #2 NY Giants, #5 Denver, #6 NY Jets, # 15 Arizona, #21 Buffalo. Many sites have Mayfield going as early as #5 to Denver or #6 to the NY Jets. Mayfield is not 6’2. He is barely 6’0. Saw him in person. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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