yungmack Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Every fan with a lick of sense knows that the draft is a shot in the dark. "Can't Miss" players flop all the time, even among the highest picks. And QB disappointments are among the most hit-or-miss of them all. Nearly every year several are picked high in the draft, and nearly every year most of them disappoint. The real successes are few and far between, as a look around the league shows. One of the major reasons why FAs at all positions are chased after is that they've proved what they can do against NFL competition. They're generally a better bet than the unproven rookies. "Trial by fire" and all that. Still, it appears the Bills are considering packaging several of their picks this year (and maybe from coming years) to move up to get that elusive "franchise QB" and get themselves out of what Whaley called "Quarterback Purgatory." But who are the "can't miss" candidates that would make this worthwhile? Darnold? Rosen? Mayfield? Could be they will each be HOF-ers by the end of their careers but history is against that. Another path is to aggressively court a FA QB, which might include Cousins, Smith, Keenum, Bridgewater and a few others. These are all experienced NFL QBs and to my eyes, they all have serious flaws, flaws that lead me to think the Bills will not be greatly better with any of them and might be worse with some. So what to do if you're Kim and Brian and Sean, with a genuine need at QB, a bunch of good picks, several apparently quality QBs coming out of college, along with several serviceable pros? Here's what I lean towards: Don't package a bunch of picks to go after a college QB, and don't bust the bank to sign a "maybe he'll be good" pro. Instead, take those picks and, if necessary, some of that money you're considering spending on a FA QB and make a deal with the Colts for Andrew Luck. The owner seems to have fallen out of love with him, actively talking him down. And he owes a ton of money to a guy he doesn't like anymore. The organizational situation doesn't inspire confidence that the Colts are about to turn things around any time soon, which must be clear to Luck by now, which should make him amenable to a trade. A couple of first round picks, maybe more, and the willingness to take on Luck's contract just might make Irsay say, "Dilly dilly." I would certainly favor this path over using those same picks on an college QB, and I'd rather spend the money on Luck than Cousins, Smith, Bridgewater or any of the other QBs likely to be available. What do you think? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 When has Luck been placed on the block? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: When has Luck been placed on the block? why do you think reality matters to the OP? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Yet another go after Luck, Smith, Cousin's thread. Good god all mighty! Luck is most likely done. There is no proof that he is even capable of passing a physical let alone be able to play football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I'm surprised no one has thought of this until now. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick Bay Chad Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 We are getting Smith enough said 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I think the Bills sit put where they are and if their QB is there at 21, you take him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Can we start dropping the banhammer for posters that use “dilly dilly” in their posts? 3 1 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 There are no "can't miss QBs" in the draft---remember when Luck was supposed to be one? Now he's a physically and psychologically damaged one. Why blow at least 2 first rounders on a guy who is clearly NOT "can't miss"---and at a huge cost as well. Better and cheaper to draft one. Look at last draft--you don't see at least 2-3 guys who will soon be regular starters? Before them it was Goof and Wentz in the 1st. Not bad huh? Before them Winston and Mariota. Before them Bridgewater and Bortles (hey, he's advancing in the playoffs and is their starter). Carr and Garapolo in the 2nd. Pretty good, right? Before them (let's skip 2013) there's Luck and Tannehill (Wilson in the 3rd because NFL GMs are really dumb). Before them Newton and Dalton (2nd). Stafford, Flacco and Ryan all 1st rounders the 2 years before that. Anyway, you get the picture. The claim that "college doesn't prepare QBs for the NFL" is proven false year after year. Plenty of starters in the first 1-2 rounds. Why would you want to spend tons of money and 2 first round picks for a player with significant lingering injury issues when you can little money and a single pick on a rookie who might start right away? If he's a bust......so what, you blew one pick and a rookie salary contract on him. Picking up Luck only to find out his best days are already behind him (more likely than completely busting on a 1st round QB, I think) sets the franchise back far far more. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 77 million (I think 30 guaranteed) 4 years with no bonus. Thing is Irsay's will want at least some of our picks. How about another underperforming linebacker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: When has Luck been placed on the block? Don't believe he has. The Bills, in my opinion, should initiate talks, see if Irsay is ready to part ways, and if he is, what will he take for Luck. He's the only guy I'd rate as a top QB who there's even a chance might be available. If negotiations fail, go back to the other scenarios. Couldn't hurt to give it a try and who knows? 4 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Can we start dropping the banhammer for posters that use “dilly dilly” in their posts? Can be begin excising cranky old farts like you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, yungmack said: Don't believe he has. The Bills, in my opinion, should initiate talks, see if Irsay is ready to part ways, and if he is, what will he take for Luck. He's the only guy I'd rate as a top QB who there's even a chance might be available. If negotiations fail, go back to the other scenarios. Couldn't hurt to give it a try and who knows? Can be begin excising cranky old farts like you? Ok what do you offer for a QB on a massive contract with a destroyed throwing shoulder and major issues confidence wise Edited January 10, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, Chadwick Bay Chad said: We are getting Smith enough said This thread is for serious football posters. If you dont like it, don't read it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, yungmack said: Don't believe he has. The Bills, in my opinion, should initiate talks, see if Irsay is ready to part ways, and if he is, what will he take for Luck. He's the only guy I'd rate as a top QB who there's even a chance might be available. If negotiations fail, go back to the other scenarios. Couldn't hurt to give it a try and who knows? Can be begin excising cranky old farts like you? dilly dilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Maybe we can package 3 of the new Luck threads in a trade for BADOL's original Luck thread? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Murray Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 IDIOT!!! why go for luck when we can package our picks and get Tom Brady from 2010??? hes even younger than Tom Brady today!!!! buh bye Patriots domination! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Indeed. Dilly dilly Wecan realize how a bloviated contract of a QB surrounded by little talent is just as bad as a mediocre QB surrounded by talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Don't tell me what to do, I do it and you all complain about it after for not being what you wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) Just now, Woodman19 said: Don't tell me what to do, I do it and you all complain about it after for not being what you wanted. Well-said. Edited January 10, 2018 by Coach Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: When has Luck been placed on the block? the rumors do not favor Luck. if you are into believing rumors His career may be over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: There are no "can't miss QBs" in the draft---remember when Luck was supposed to be one? Now he's a physically and psychologically damaged one. Why blow at least 2 first rounders on a guy who is clearly NOT "can't miss"---and at a huge cost as well. Better and cheaper to draft one. Look at last draft--you don't see at least 2-3 guys who will soon be regular starters? Before them it was Goof and Wentz in the 1st. Not bad huh? Before them Winston and Mariota. Before them Bridgewater and Bortles (hey, he's advancing in the playoffs and is their starter). Carr and Garapolo in the 2nd. Pretty good, right? Before them (let's skip 2013) there's Luck and Tannehill (Wilson in the 3rd because NFL GMs are really dumb). Before them Newton and Dalton (2nd). Stafford, Flacco and Ryan all 1st rounders the 2 years before that. Anyway, you get the picture. The claim that "college doesn't prepare QBs for the NFL" is proven false year after year. Plenty of starters in the first 1-2 rounds. Why would you want to spend tons of money and 2 first round picks for a player with significant lingering injury issues when you can little money and a single pick on a rookie who might start right away? If he's a bust......so what, you blew one pick and a rookie salary contract on him. Picking up Luck only to find out his best days are already behind him (more likely than completely busting on a 1st round QB, I think) sets the franchise back far far more. That's a long list of mostly mediocre picks if you're talking about a dominating QB, and a team that does more than make the playoffs. Of the first rounders, the only one who look like a standout is Wentz, with Ryan behind him and the jury still out on Goff. As to the rest of them (and let's NOT leave out 2013), I don't see a great one among them. I mean, we are talking about a long-term franchise QB, right, not a "he's pretty good" guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Luck is no sure thing anymore either the way his shoulder has been.Too risky in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bill Murray said: IDIOT!!! why go for luck when we can package our picks and get Tom Brady from 2010??? hes even younger than Tom Brady today!!!! buh bye Patriots domination! Now a @#$ing TIME MACHINE THREAD, that I can get behind. Dilly Dilly (for Jayjay)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: When has Luck been placed on the block? When did his bionic shoulder somehow heal enough to where he can play again Edited January 10, 2018 by ndirish1978 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, yungmack said: Don't believe he has. The Bills, in my opinion, should initiate talks, see if Irsay is ready to part ways, and if he is, what will he take for Luck. He's the only guy I'd rate as a top QB who there's even a chance might be available. If negotiations fail, go back to the other scenarios. Couldn't hurt to give it a try and who knows? Can be begin excising cranky old farts like you? Don’t take your frustrations from being unoriginal out on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 On 12/29/2017 at 1:47 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: On 12/29/2017 at 2:06 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: On 12/29/2017 at 4:21 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: If he's healthy, Luck will continue as Colts' QB and Ballard will build the team around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 We would need to build a dome first before Luck would even entertain coming here. We need a dome anyway just to have a better chance of signing FA's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, yungmack said: That's a long list of mostly mediocre picks if you're talking about a dominating QB, and a team that does more than make the playoffs. Of the first rounders, the only one who look like a standout is Wentz, with Ryan behind him and the jury still out on Goff. As to the rest of them (and let's NOT leave out 2013), I don't see a great one among them. I mean, we are talking about a long-term franchise QB, right, not a "he's pretty good" guy? Well, that's not Luck either. He was "dominant" (kind of) in 2014. His playoff performance his is the opposite of "dominant". "Mediocre" list? Those are starting QBs who have been successful right out of college. Ryan is behind Wentz? I really don't understand your point now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 i like posters that present a scenerio or two.dislike the crticism of them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I'm pretty sure Luck also has a no trade clause in his new contract. Not 100% sure but I don't have time to look it up right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: i like posters that present a scenerio or two.dislike the crticism of them They felt their random thoughts were so special to warrant a new thread then why should we find anything wrong with such masterful and unique thinking? I mean, could you or I ever fathom such a thing on our own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricko1112 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 52 minutes ago, yungmack said: Every fan with a lick of sense knows that the draft is a shot in the dark. "Can't Miss" players flop all the time, even among the highest picks. And QB disappointments are among the most hit-or-miss of them all. Nearly every year several are picked high in the draft, and nearly every year most of them disappoint. The real successes are few and far between, as a look around the league shows. One of the major reasons why FAs at all positions are chased after is that they've proved what they can do against NFL competition. They're generally a better bet than the unproven rookies. "Trial by fire" and all that. Still, it appears the Bills are considering packaging several of their picks this year (and maybe from coming years) to move up to get that elusive "franchise QB" and get themselves out of what Whaley called "Quarterback Purgatory." But who are the "can't miss" candidates that would make this worthwhile? Darnold? Rosen? Mayfield? Could be they will each be HOF-ers by the end of their careers but history is against that. Another path is to aggressively court a FA QB, which might include Cousins, Smith, Keenum, Bridgewater and a few others. These are all experienced NFL QBs and to my eyes, they all have serious flaws, flaws that lead me to think the Bills will not be greatly better with any of them and might be worse with some. So what to do if you're Kim and Brian and Sean, with a genuine need at QB, a bunch of good picks, several apparently quality QBs coming out of college, along with several serviceable pros? Here's what I lean towards: Don't package a bunch of picks to go after a college QB, and don't bust the bank to sign a "maybe he'll be good" pro. Instead, take those picks and, if necessary, some of that money you're considering spending on a FA QB and make a deal with the Colts for Andrew Luck. The owner seems to have fallen out of love with him, actively talking him down. And he owes a ton of money to a guy he doesn't like anymore. The organizational situation doesn't inspire confidence that the Colts are about to turn things around any time soon, which must be clear to Luck by now, which should make him amenable to a trade. A couple of first round picks, maybe more, and the willingness to take on Luck's contract just might make Irsay say, "Dilly dilly." I would certainly favor this path over using those same picks on an college QB, and I'd rather spend the money on Luck than Cousins, Smith, Bridgewater or any of the other QBs likely to be available. What do you think? Last I heard, Josh McDaniels was the leading candidate for the Colts HC job. He'll want a "top" QB and I'm not sure if Jacoby Bresset would do it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 The Colts aren't trading Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said: The Colts aren't trading Luck. Andrew Luck injury scaring head coaching candidates away from Colts? The injury to Andrew Luck’s shoulder resulted in the Indianapolis Colts having to throw away their entire 2017 season, and there are now concerns that it could prove even more costly for the franchise going forward Matt Nagy chose Mitchell Trubisky over Andrew Luck The entire focus from the hire of Matt Nagy seems to be centered around Mitchell Trubisky. While the team did not directly involve Mitchell Trubisky during the hiring process REPORT: Colts Lost Top Coaching Candidate Partly Because of Andrew Luck's Health Oh, what could have been for the Indianapolis Colts. As the Chuck Pagano era came to an end Jim Irsay on Andrew Luck: ‘I’m not trying to sell something I don’t believe in’ INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. – The occasion primarily was to address a head coaching vacancy, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Andrew Luck injury scaring head coaching candidates away from Colts? The injury to Andrew Luck’s shoulder resulted in the Indianapolis Colts having to throw away their entire 2017 season, and there are now concerns that it could prove even more costly for the franchise going forward Matt Nagy chose Mitchell Trubisky over Andrew Luck The entire focus from the hire of Matt Nagy seems to be centered around Mitchell Trubisky. While the team did not directly involve Mitchell Trubisky during the hiring process REPORT: Colts Lost Top Coaching Candidate Partly Because of Andrew Luck's Health Oh, what could have been for the Indianapolis Colts. As the Chuck Pagano era came to an end Jim Irsay on Andrew Luck: ‘I’m not trying to sell something I don’t believe in’ INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. – The occasion primarily was to address a head coaching vacancy, If that's true, why do we want to give up multiple 1st round picks for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonprophet Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Andrew Luck states that he went to the Netherlands for rehab and soft tissue work... I've heard they do excellent soft tissue work in Amsterdam's red light district. Edited January 10, 2018 by nonprophet 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick Bay Chad Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: the rumors do not favor Luck. if you are into believing rumors His career may be over Stop with your nonsense. Lucks career is not over you blow hard I cannot believe shady ia not band from the site he knows nothing bout football and posts nonsense all the time Edited January 10, 2018 by Chadwick Bay Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: If that's true, why do we want to give up multiple 1st round picks for him? I sure as hell wouldn't. People who believe the likes of Chad should learn how to use Google or Yahoo the reports of him being damaged goods has been rumored for a very long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 45 minutes ago, Woodman19 said: They felt their random thoughts were so special to warrant a new thread then why should we find anything wrong with such masterful and unique thinking? I mean, could you or I ever fathom such a thing on our own? i guess it involves one's interpretation the purpose of the board. i like reading , obviously, topics on here.. what is generally frustrating is having the "critics" come roaring out.. if it isnt the "thread police" , its the glib, wannabee "comedians" .. or the "accuracy police".. JMHO 1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said: Don’t take your frustrations from being unoriginal out on me. i rest my case 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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