Jay_Fixit Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: i guess it involves one's interpretation the purpose of the board. i like reading , obviously, topics on here.. what is generally frustrating is having the "critics" come roaring out.. if it isnt the "thread police" , its the glib, wannabee "comedians" .. or the "accuracy police".. JMHO i rest my case Sorry you don’t enjoy fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Well, that's not Luck either. He was "dominant" (kind of) in 2014. His playoff performance his is the opposite of "dominant". "Mediocre" list? Those are starting QBs who have been successful right out of college. Ryan is behind Wentz? I really don't understand your point now. Yep, they're all starting QBs, and so is TT. As to 51 minutes ago, ricko1112 said: Last I heard, Josh McDaniels was the leading candidate for the Colts HC job. He'll want a "top" QB and I'm not sure if Jacoby Bresset would do it... And last I heard, Irsay is the owner, the guy who questions Luck's commitment, courage and willingness to play hurt. 3 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Sorry you don’t enjoy fun. Having Chevy Chase as your avatar tells me all I need to know about your sense of humor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 So, in your scenario you lose the Draft capital AND you lose the FA money....?? In all due respect, that hurts the team much, much more than it does help them. I'm not on the Cousins bandwagon much more so because it is cost-prohibitive in my opinion, but at least IF they were to try and get him via FA, you still have some FA money and a ton of Draft capital....or, if the Bills sign the leftover Vikings QB, they still have quite a bit of FA money AND Draft capital....or if the Bills trade UP for their QB guy, they'll have the FA money and a few extra Draft picks....your way, the Bills lose both...so basically the ONLY way to screw the team over for the next 2-3 years....sorry, no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, yungmack said: Yep, they're all starting QBs, and so is TT. As to And last I heard, Irsay is the owner, the guy who questions Luck's commitment, courage and willingness to play hurt. Having Chevy Chase as your avatar tells me all I need to know about your sense of humor. If you didn’t use Dilly Dilly in a post earlier, I’d probably even give you a half grin here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Use our draft picks on the line, WR with speed and a RB with speed. FA a QB and draft a maybe one. You win with a great line in O and D. And I love Dilly Dilly. Drink Lite but love Dilly. Don't waste all those top picks when we need a bunch a improvement in other areas. Dilly-- Dilly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zqueezr Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) What did the colts get for Peyton when tanked for Luck? Does anyone know? ..cause it turned out very well for Denver. no way 2 firsts I’d say maybe one first and a conditional futures pick plus $$ Edited January 10, 2018 by Zqueezr Not done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 hours ago, yungmack said: Every fan with a lick of sense knows that the draft is a shot in the dark. "Can't Miss" players flop all the time, even among the highest picks. And QB disappointments are among the most hit-or-miss of them all. Nearly every year several are picked high in the draft, and nearly every year most of them disappoint. The real successes are few and far between, as a look around the league shows. One of the major reasons why FAs at all positions are chased after is that they've proved what they can do against NFL competition. They're generally a better bet than the unproven rookies. "Trial by fire" and all that. Still, it appears the Bills are considering packaging several of their picks this year (and maybe from coming years) to move up to get that elusive "franchise QB" and get themselves out of what Whaley called "Quarterback Purgatory." But who are the "can't miss" candidates that would make this worthwhile? Darnold? Rosen? Mayfield? Could be they will each be HOF-ers by the end of their careers but history is against that. Another path is to aggressively court a FA QB, which might include Cousins, Smith, Keenum, Bridgewater and a few others. These are all experienced NFL QBs and to my eyes, they all have serious flaws, flaws that lead me to think the Bills will not be greatly better with any of them and might be worse with some. So what to do if you're Kim and Brian and Sean, with a genuine need at QB, a bunch of good picks, several apparently quality QBs coming out of college, along with several serviceable pros? Here's what I lean towards: Don't package a bunch of picks to go after a college QB, and don't bust the bank to sign a "maybe he'll be good" pro. Instead, take those picks and, if necessary, some of that money you're considering spending on a FA QB and make a deal with the Colts for Andrew Luck. The owner seems to have fallen out of love with him, actively talking him down. And he owes a ton of money to a guy he doesn't like anymore. The organizational situation doesn't inspire confidence that the Colts are about to turn things around any time soon, which must be clear to Luck by now, which should make him amenable to a trade. A couple of first round picks, maybe more, and the willingness to take on Luck's contract just might make Irsay say, "Dilly dilly." I would certainly favor this path over using those same picks on an college QB, and I'd rather spend the money on Luck than Cousins, Smith, Bridgewater or any of the other QBs likely to be available. What do you think? I hate the idea. Hate the catchphrase "dilly dilly" even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Zqueezr said: What did the colts get for Peyton when tanked for Luck? Does anyone know? ..cause it turned out very well for the Broncos. They released Peyton so he could go where he wanted IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 49 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: So, in your scenario you lose the Draft capital AND you lose the FA money....?? In all due respect, that hurts the team much, much more than it does help them. I'm not on the Cousins bandwagon much more so because it is cost-prohibitive in my opinion, but at least IF they were to try and get him via FA, you still have some FA money and a ton of Draft capital....or, if the Bills sign the leftover Vikings QB, they still have quite a bit of FA money AND Draft capital....or if the Bills trade UP for their QB guy, they'll have the FA money and a few extra Draft picks....your way, the Bills lose both...so basically the ONLY way to screw the team over for the next 2-3 years....sorry, no thanks. To move up significantly in the draft will require a boat load of picks. And whomever they draft at that level will get multi millions, so both your draft picks and a substantial amount of your money will be committed on QB who might or might not work out. If that's too much for the FO to stomach, then, yes, go the pure FA route. But to my eyes, the likely QBs who will be available are not much of an improvement over TT, if at all. General opinion is that Cousins is the best of the bunch but I just don't believe he will ever move into that top 4 or 5 QB group, and even if the Skins were to let him leave, I really can't see him happily coming to Buffalo. If moving up in the draft will cost a ton, and FAs will also cost big money without offering significant improvement, then the other option is a trade. 5 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: I hate the idea. Hate the catchphrase "dilly dilly" even more. So you're a hater? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: Can we start dropping the banhammer for posters that use “dilly dilly” in their posts? Dilly Dilly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zqueezr Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: They released Peyton so he could go where he wanted IIRC. Thanks Hmmm I wonder if that scenario could actually play out with Luck...doubt he’d wanna come here tho.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 hours ago, yungmack said: Every fan with a lick of sense knows that the draft is a shot in the dark. "Can't Miss" players flop all the time, even among the highest picks. And QB disappointments are among the most hit-or-miss of them all. Nearly every year several are picked high in the draft, and nearly every year most of them disappoint. The real successes are few and far between, as a look around the league shows. One of the major reasons why FAs at all positions are chased after is that they've proved what they can do against NFL competition. They're generally a better bet than the unproven rookies. "Trial by fire" and all that. Still, it appears the Bills are considering packaging several of their picks this year (and maybe from coming years) to move up to get that elusive "franchise QB" and get themselves out of what Whaley called "Quarterback Purgatory." But who are the "can't miss" candidates that would make this worthwhile? Darnold? Rosen? Mayfield? Could be they will each be HOF-ers by the end of their careers but history is against that. Another path is to aggressively court a FA QB, which might include Cousins, Smith, Keenum, Bridgewater and a few others. These are all experienced NFL QBs and to my eyes, they all have serious flaws, flaws that lead me to think the Bills will not be greatly better with any of them and might be worse with some. So what to do if you're Kim and Brian and Sean, with a genuine need at QB, a bunch of good picks, several apparently quality QBs coming out of college, along with several serviceable pros? Here's what I lean towards: Don't package a bunch of picks to go after a college QB, and don't bust the bank to sign a "maybe he'll be good" pro. Instead, take those picks and, if necessary, some of that money you're considering spending on a FA QB and make a deal with the Colts for Andrew Luck. The owner seems to have fallen out of love with him, actively talking him down. And he owes a ton of money to a guy he doesn't like anymore. The organizational situation doesn't inspire confidence that the Colts are about to turn things around any time soon, which must be clear to Luck by now, which should make him amenable to a trade. A couple of first round picks, maybe more, and the willingness to take on Luck's contract just might make Irsay say, "Dilly dilly." I would certainly favor this path over using those same picks on an college QB, and I'd rather spend the money on Luck than Cousins, Smith, Bridgewater or any of the other QBs likely to be available. What do you think? WGR had the Colts “Sal” on a month ago or so. That guy stated that the national perception on Irsay-Luck is all wrong. Indy “Sal,” said that Irsay and everybody in the Colts LOVES Luck and he ain’t goin nowhere. Plus, his injury is concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricko1112 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, yungmack said: And last I heard, Irsay is the owner, the guy who questions Luck's commitment, courage and willingness to play hurt. Every time that drug addled booze hound opens his yap everyone on the Colts (and their fanbase) must cringe. Luck's not going anywhere. After all the Colts went through to get the 1st pick in the draft? No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: no. ...this gang (THANKFULLY) is NOT going to spend major draft capital in trades or FA period......they built it up to build this club through the draft.......may see them offering a 2nd or 3rd to KC for Smith, but that is about it IMO.....I see them taking the safe and perhaps un-sexy Rudolph in the 1st around 20 something and then focusing on OL/DL...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) Hmm - overpay a bit for Cousins (or Garrapolo) and keep all your picks or (broken) Luck and trade away all your picks.... hmmm... Both will cost you about as much $$$$$$$ Edited January 11, 2018 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 6 hours ago, yungmack said: A couple of first round picks, maybe more, and the willingness to take on Luck's contract just might make Irsay say, "Dilly dilly." I would certainly favor this path over using those same picks on an college QB, and I'd rather spend the money on Luck than Cousins, Smith, Bridgewater or any of the other QBs likely to be available. What do you think? I think it has been discussed multiple times but in that case Luck was in subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Only 106 days and 22 hours til the draft. Time for ~ 1,000 'which qb do we get' threads. Anyway, I think Luck is supposed to start throwing a little next week. I hope it goes well for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 5 hours ago, Chadwick Bay Chad said: Stop with your nonsense. Lucks career is not over you blow hard I cannot believe shady ia not band from the site he knows nothing bout football and posts nonsense all the time His career is far from over. When healthy he's got an arm like a rocket. I bet by the end of the next season his nickname will be Rocket Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 6 hours ago, Chadwick Bay Chad said: We are getting Smith enough said Again This isn't a great option. An upgrade over Tyrod but only a slight one. Wake me up from this bad dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick Bay Chad Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 16 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: Can we start dropping the banhammer for posters that use “dilly dilly” in their posts? Dilly dilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 16 hours ago, dwight in philly said: i like posters that present a scenerio or two.dislike the crticism of them I can't think of anyone that actually likes criticism of their posts, can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downunderbill Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Ban clickbait titles. Don't let TBD fall to that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norwood for Wall of Fame Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Sign Jimmy G at any cost. Wouldn't that be fun vs. New England twice a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 10 hours ago, Rob's House said: 16 hours ago, Chadwick Bay Chad said: Stop with your nonsense. Lucks career is not over you blow hard I cannot believe shady ia not band from the site he knows nothing bout football and posts nonsense all the time His career is far from over. When healthy he's got an arm like a rocket. I bet by the end of the next season his nickname will be Rocket Man. That is the question I was alluding to. When will he be healthy? Is it scaring away HC candidates? If not for this quote I wouldn't have seen Ignored Chads comments. I clearly posted what rumors I heard. I don't intentionally fabricate stories. BTW the word is banned, not band. Case Keenum could join Pat Shurmur if Minnesota Vikings ... Pat Shurmur, who has emerged as an attractive candidate for head-coaching vacancies around the NFL, could bring Case Keenum with him if he is hired by a team that ... If Keenum and Shurmur are a package deal, the Cardinals ... The New Orleans Saints are the only thing that should be on the minds of Case Keenumand Pat Shurmur as the Minnesota Vikings prepare for Sunday's Divisional Round ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Living as I do just outside of Indy, I can give you a feel for what goes on here. Irsay looks upon Luck in a manner similar to Manning, like he's his son. The only way Luck does not stay with the team is if, as with Manning, Irsay decides to let him go because he's convinced he would be doing himself permanent harm by continuing to play. Looking back at Manning, Irsay really felt Manning would become paralyzed if he kept playing, so he let him go. Not the same scenario with Luck. So Luck stays in Indy. The real question around here is whether Luck will play next year or not. Everything is shrouded in mystery, including him going over to Europe for some mystery treatments for his shoulder. He keeps missing estimated timelines for when he's supposed to be throwing again. So even if Luck somehow became available in a trade, the only reason would be that he physically can't play, so you wouldn't want him anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdFront_USAF Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 There's a reason good teams say building through the draft is the way to go. With the exception of this year, when was the last time you saw the Patriots spend big in free agency? Obviously those free agents are highly sought after, and you correctly stated that it's because they have proven something in this league. That's why a Kirk Cousins type player, a middle to upper-middle level qb is likely going to be pulling in close to or even exceeding 30M per year once he signs a contract. How much is Philly paying Wentz? But he was playing great. Youre right in what you are saying, but there's a reason teams pay GMs, head coaches and an entire armada of scouts a metric crap ton of money to go watch college football games. A good team can identify talent and find good players all throughout the draft, and hopefully identify a franchise passer. We have to trust them until its proven they are incapable, and then we hire a new one. Whaley was particularly bad at drafting, and made most of his biggest splashes in free agency. The results: a .500 team that was damn near pushing the salary cap every year. If that's what you want more of, that's your perogotive, but I would rather put my faith in Beane and McD and hope they can put together solid drafts the next two years and give us a team ready to make a run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrtonHearsaWho Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 17 hours ago, nonprophet said: I've heard they do excellent soft tissue work in Amsterdam's red light district. Soft tissue? Um, I think you're doing it wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Maybe we could teach Luck how to throw left handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Why would we want another teams trash...........we got enough of our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 IMO I think the worst the Bills have done in this whole drought aside from not hitting on a franchise QB, is not even attempting to try and draft one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Dopey said: I can't think of anyone that actually likes criticism of their posts, can you? WTH? Your name must really fit. that is dumb. jesus Edited January 11, 2018 by dwight in philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 19 hours ago, BobChalmers said: Hmm - overpay a bit for Cousins (or Garrapolo) and keep all your picks or (broken) Luck and trade away all your picks.... hmmm... Both will cost you about as much $$$$$$$ Not a chance Garropolo comes to Buffalo and I can't imagine Cousins picking Buffalo. Would Smith want to play here and would Reid make that trade if Smith was opposed to it? I think Minne keeps Keenum. I see no evidence Bridgewater is an improvement. Who does that leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 21 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...this gang (THANKFULLY) is NOT going to spend major draft capital in trades or FA period......they built it up to build this club through the draft.......may see them offering a 2nd or 3rd to KC for Smith, but that is about it IMO.....I see them taking the safe and perhaps un-sexy Rudolph in the 1st around 20 something and then focusing on OL/DL...... I'll be honest. I only read the first 4 words of the title before responding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, yungmack said: Not a chance Garropolo comes to Buffalo and I can't imagine Cousins picking Buffalo. Would Smith want to play here and would Reid make that trade if Smith was opposed to it? I think Minne keeps Keenum. I see no evidence Bridgewater is an improvement. Who does that leave? I don't think Reid gives a wet fart about what Smith wants if he can get solid compensation for him with a QB waiting in the wings. The thing about Smith is he's 33 and not elite, so you are still looking at drafting a QB if you pick him up so you're just using up more capital there that could go to fixing up other parts of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 Just now, ndirish1978 said: I don't think Reid gives a wet fart about what Smith wants if he can get solid compensation for him with a QB waiting in the wings. The thing about Smith is he's 33 and not elite, so you are still looking at drafting a QB if you pick him up so you're just using up more capital there that could go to fixing up other parts of the team. Which is why I don't favor bringing him in. He will cost at least one of those first round picks and you haven't really solved the franchise QB problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I'll be honest. I only read the first 4 words of the title before responding. ...LOL.....and I agree.....Beane/McD are NOT: "...Whole Draft Ditka for Ricky......Vikes boatload for Herschel.....Boy Danny Snyder's king's ransom for RG II5/8".......ain't happening... Edited January 11, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: I don't think Reid gives a wet fart about what Smith wants if he can get solid compensation for him with a QB waiting in the wings. The thing about Smith is he's 33 and not elite, so you are still looking at drafting a QB if you pick him up so you're just using up more capital there that could go to fixing up other parts of the team. I think Reid does care. Besides, would you want a guy who doesn't want to be here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, yungmack said: I think Reid does care. Besides, would you want a guy who doesn't want to be here? Especially when they are on the last year of their contract and you're giving up draft capital for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, yungmack said: I think Reid does care. Besides, would you want a guy who doesn't want to be here? I think both points are irrelevant. This is a business, you get what you can for assets you aren't using and similarly you play for whomever holds the rights to your contract. Shady didn't "want" to be here at first and then he got acclimated and now loves the area, I don't think caring or feelings means much at all as a deterrent for a deal, even if it's a deal I don't want. The bigger issue is he's old and his contract is ending soon. I wouldn't want him just for that. Edited January 11, 2018 by ndirish1978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...LOL.....and I agree.....Beane/McD are NOT: "...Whole Draft Ditka for Ricky......Vikes boatload for Herschel.....Boy Danny Snyder's king's ransom for RG II5/8".......ain't happening... You do understand how an NFL draft works, don't you? You don't get to move up just because you feel like it; you have to give something to do that. And to get close to where the Bills need to be to get one of the supposedly premiere QBs, it is going to take multiple picks. Supposedly that's why they've been collecting all those picks. So if anybody's in Ditka mode, it's OBD. In any case, whether you go all in to draft a top QB, or you go after him thru a trade, it's going to cost a lot. Or you could wait till free agency and hope a decent one is available and is willing to play for Buffalo. I find the last one to be magical thinking. Edited January 11, 2018 by yungmack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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