JerseyBills Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) Check out @JohnBarchard’s Tweet: Interesting. Official sounds disgusted. We got throttled in the second half but I think the momentum this cost us was huge. Totally deflated the sidelines Taylor looks overjoyed as he's talking to the zebra, anticipating a TD call any minute. Edited December 27, 2017 by JerseyBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 He even covered his mouth while saying it trying to be discreet! Where does this type of feed come from? It would be interesting to watch games after the fact with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Come on guys. We all know it’s TT’s fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Come on guys. We all know it’s TT’s fault. Get over it. We have the worst passing offense in the NFL, and that actually is Tyrod Taylor's fault. Edited December 27, 2017 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreigner Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 17 years is TT fault. Blame the 18th on Peterman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 unf'kinbelievable. This is why the Pats are reviled around the league. 4 games handed to them this year. they should be fighting for the division and/or a wildcard this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlonce Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, section122 said: He even covered his mouth while saying it trying to be discreet! Where does this type of feed come from? It would be interesting to watch games after the fact with this. It was mentioned it was from an Inside the NFL camera crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Gross... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabden Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 "Just give it to them." "Oh wait, it's the Bills, not the Pats. Just take it away!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 I could see the folks in NYC thinking this during the 3 minute review or however long it was: Well darn we can't actually see anything to overturn this! As more and more minutes go on it just becomes "AAh f**k it it is what it is, we can't actually see anything that it's not a touchdown, people are waiting let's call what we initially know all along we would and have people wonder about the integrity of the league". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Can't blame it on the on-field officials as I'm sure they were all at a loss just like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 This reminded me of the old story about the Immaculate Reception....the question the ref asked was: “how much security do we have here?” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 More evidence that it's rigged IMO. The centralized replay office was a good idea I thought, now it's evident that it's simply easier for the league to rig games. Sad day for football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlamnSam Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Foreigner said: 17 years is TT fault. Blame the 18th on Peterman Make no mistake peterman is much better at tossing a football than tt ever will be. Even in the snow he’s better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 9 minutes ago, peterpan said: More evidence that it's rigged IMO. The centralized replay office was a good idea I thought, now it's evident that it's simply easier for the league to rig games. Sad day for football. What motivation does the league have to fix games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, Chris66 said: What motivation does the league have to fix games. Disingenuous post is disingenuous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 41 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Can't blame it on the on-field officials as I'm sure they were all at a loss just like everyone else. Then the Referee should have gone rogue and said to the crowd...."After review, the play has been confirmed...touchdown." That will show those blind review officials. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 15 minutes ago, Chris66 said: What motivation does the league have to fix games. Well, it could be a "lone wolf" scenario, or a handful of them. Taking checks from Kraft, or from the mob, for betting purposes. I don't see how that isn't believable. The NBA officials were throwing games a few years ago..... Or it could be from the league, pushing the big market teams, the storylines, making sure the Marquee players make the playoffs, all that jazz. Someone can check my posts, and put it here, but I stated last year that the Rams would magically turn into one of the NFLs best teams now that they moved to LA and would need to sell PSLs for their new pricey stadium. Bam- now they are good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 "Just Take It From Them" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, peterpan said: Well, it could be a "lone wolf" scenario, or a handful of them. Taking checks from Kraft, or from the mob, for betting purposes. I don't see how that isn't believable. The NBA officials were throwing games a few years ago..... Or it could be from the league, pushing the big market teams, the storylines, making sure the Marquee players make the playoffs, all that jazz. Someone can check my posts, and put it here, but I stated last year that the Rams would magically turn into one of the NFLs best teams now that they moved to LA and would need to sell PSLs for their new pricey stadium. Bam- now they are good... Nba game avg about 160 points a game. Thats 2 baskets a min. Lot easier to fix those games than nfl. Dont buy it too many people would have to be involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Like I said what if its only one guy? What if the Riveron guy is on Krafts payroll? He gets 20 grand a week and makes 1 or 2 calls go the way the Pats want them to go. Or maybe the Mafia is paying him to make sure certain teams win and the Mob rigs the betting? Also, Whats the average margin of victory in the NFL?? Its less than 4 points. Maybe less than 3. One TD awarded or called back is all it takes. Look at the Pats this year alone, these all happened in the last 2 mins of the games......Houston - Pats WR ball hits the ground, should be no catch, but awarded a catch anyways. They win. Jets guy scores touch down, then they claim he fumbled... huh??? Pats win. Steelers, guy catches ball, extends ball over the plane, TD....called back, Pats win. All of those were obviously and suspiciously the wrong call. Pats*** should have had the same 8-6 record as the bills going into the bills game, but instead they have Home Field advantage in the playoffs, because of 3 replay reviews. THREE PLAYS IS THE DIFFERENCE!!!! In the Bills game, the refs spotted them a FG with a terrible PI call, a second FG with that 4th down conversions where he was stopped short, and the Benjamin TD. Thats a 10 point swing, and the Bills gave up after that. Shoulda been 20-10 Bills, but was 16-16. How many other games were the Pats*** awarded points, or points taken from the other team, by obvious bad calls???? I dont know as I dont watch them every week, but my guess is there is more evidence against them. Your argument that the refs dont have that kind of control over the games is laughable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 42 minutes ago, peterpan said: Well, it could be a "lone wolf" scenario, or a handful of them. Taking checks from Kraft, or from the mob, for betting purposes. I don't see how that isn't believable. The NBA officials were throwing games a few years ago..... Or it could be from the league, pushing the big market teams, the storylines, making sure the Marquee players make the playoffs, all that jazz. Someone can check my posts, and put it here, but I stated last year that the Rams would magically turn into one of the NFLs best teams now that they moved to LA and would need to sell PSLs for their new pricey stadium. Bam- now they are good... Please stop Youre srsly getting me worried Watch the chargers get in sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 31 minutes ago, peterpan said: Like I said what if its only one guy? What if the Riveron guy is on Krafts payroll? He gets 20 grand a week and makes 1 or 2 calls go the way the Pats want them to go. Or maybe the Mafia is paying him to make sure certain teams win and the Mob rigs the betting? Also, Whats the average margin of victory in the NFL?? Its less than 4 points. Maybe less than 3. One TD awarded or called back is all it takes. Look at the Pats this year alone, these all happened in the last 2 mins of the games......Houston - Pats WR ball hits the ground, should be no catch, but awarded a catch anyways. They win. Jets guy scores touch down, then they claim he fumbled... huh??? Pats win. Steelers, guy catches ball, extends ball over the plane, TD....called back, Pats win. All of those were obviously and suspiciously the wrong call. Pats*** should have had the same 8-6 record as the bills going into the bills game, but instead they have Home Field advantage in the playoffs, because of 3 replay reviews. THREE PLAYS IS THE DIFFERENCE!!!! In the Bills game, the refs spotted them a FG with a terrible PI call, a second FG with that 4th down conversions where he was stopped short, and the Benjamin TD. Thats a 10 point swing, and the Bills gave up after that. Shoulda been 20-10 Bills, but was 16-16. How many other games were the Pats*** awarded points, or points taken from the other team, by obvious bad calls???? I dont know as I dont watch them every week, but my guess is there is more evidence against them. Your argument that the refs dont have that kind of control over the games is laughable. Why would "the mob" only bet on the pats? What gambler only takes action on a single team? Was the mob counting on the Bills "giving up", despite holding the pats to a tie at the half (after the horrible call)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 50 minutes ago, Chris66 said: Nba game avg about 160 points a game. Thats 2 baskets a min. Lot easier to fix those games than nfl. Dont buy it too many people would have to be involved. 160? What are you a Lakers fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Chris66 said: What motivation does the league have to fix games. No clue and I'm not a believer in conspiracy theories. But I'm not a believer in gross coincidences either. Pats have been the recipient of some Riveron calls that were either inconsistent (Cooks catch, James non-catch) or non conclusive (Bills twice and Jets). Throw in the Gronk BS where the league that is supposedly concerned about player safety passed on a layup to prove it and it's hard to ignore the pattern. As to your question about motivation, don't know, don't care...I'm suspicious all the same...doesn't appear to be a level playing field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 3 hours ago, nedboy7 said: Come on guys. We all know it’s TT’s fault. Another hijacked thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Chris66 said: What motivation does the league have to fix games. Las Vegas, greed makes individuals do funny things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Why would "the mob" only bet on the pats? What gambler only takes action on a single team? Was the mob counting on the Bills "giving up", despite holding the pats to a tie at the half (after the horrible call)? They wouldn't, but Kraft certainly would. Here we are again, WEO, as predicted. Same team with something sketchy about them, over and over and over. If the three games with obviously garbage game changing calls (jets, Texans, Steelers) were called correctly (not to mention Bills and Charger games) they'd be fighting to make the playoffs last week, not sitting at 1 overall. All called by the same one replay official. Sure sounds to me like the potential for corruption got a lot easier in going to centralized replay. I wonder if Kraft was for or against that? Hey, how's that Alfonzo Dennard suspension coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 9 hours ago, Commonsense said: 160? What are you a Lakers fan? 80 points per team on avg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 8 hours ago, MattM said: They wouldn't, but Kraft certainly would. Here we are again, WEO, as predicted. Same team with something sketchy about them, over and over and over. If the three games with obviously garbage game changing calls (jets, Texans, Steelers) were called correctly (not to mention Bills and Charger games) they'd be fighting to make the playoffs last week, not sitting at 1 overall. All called by the same one replay official. Sure sounds to me like the potential for corruption got a lot easier in going to centralized replay. I wonder if Kraft was for or against that? Hey, how's that Alfonzo Dennard suspension coming? What happened in the pats chargers game??? Like I said I don't follow them closely (and even still I've found 3 games they "won" when they didn't) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 8 hours ago, MattM said: They wouldn't, but Kraft certainly would. Here we are again, WEO, as predicted. Same team with something sketchy about them, over and over and over. If the three games with obviously garbage game changing calls (jets, Texans, Steelers) were called correctly (not to mention Bills and Charger games) they'd be fighting to make the playoffs last week, not sitting at 1 overall. All called by the same one replay official. Sure sounds to me like the potential for corruption got a lot easier in going to centralized replay. I wonder if Kraft was for or against that? Hey, how's that Alfonzo Dennard suspension coming? What about the identical call Riveron made against the Jets in the Carolina game? "Here we go again"...why would all of the other owners agree to centralized replay (which has been in place for far longer than Riveron has) if it has been totally corrupted for the benefit of only one of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: What about the identical call Riveron made against the Jets in the Carolina game? "Here we go again"...why would all of the other owners agree to centralized replay (which has been in place for far longer than Riveron has) if it has been totally corrupted for the benefit of only one of them? Maybe they were/are blindly thinking it's fair, and couldn't possibly be corrupted..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 14 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Can't blame it on the on-field officials as I'm sure they were all at a loss just like everyone else. To be fair, if they weren’t in the replay booth or on the phone with ny why would he have a solid answer to give there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, NoSaint said: To be fair, if they weren’t in the replay booth or on the phone with ny why would he have a solid answer to give there? Because they used common sense and trusted their eyes like most people who have watched football for any length of time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, peterpan said: Maybe they were/are blindly thinking it's fair, and couldn't possibly be corrupted..... Of course! These owners are just a bunch of naïve waifs who believe in the goodness of all men. The pretzel logic is getting more twisted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 9 hours ago, MattM said: They wouldn't, but Kraft certainly would. Here we are again, WEO, as predicted. Same team with something sketchy about them, over and over and over. If the three games with obviously garbage game changing calls (jets, Texans, Steelers) were called correctly (not to mention Bills and Charger games) they'd be fighting to make the playoffs last week, not sitting at 1 overall. All called by the same one replay official. Sure sounds to me like the potential for corruption got a lot easier in going to centralized replay. I wonder if Kraft was for or against that? Hey, how's that Alfonzo Dennard suspension coming? The steelers call was not sketchy. It was very much by the book. A few of those were questionable, and a few im not familiar with. Lumping the Steelers call into this is a disservice to the discussion though. 7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Because they used common sense and trusted their eyes like most people who have watched football for any length of time. If he’s away from the play and not the review official — his eyes were how far away? And had what angle at the feet? And were responsible for how many other calls on the play? this clip adds drama but limited substance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Can anyone remember any of these controversial calls that have gone against the Patriots? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, NoSaint said: The steelers call was not sketchy. It was very much by the book. A few of those were questionable, and a few im not familiar with. Lumping the Steelers call into this is a disservice to the discussion though. If he’s away from the play and not the review official — his eyes were how far away? And had what angle at the feet? And were responsible for how many other calls on the play? this clip adds drama but limited substance So you support Riveron's decision as conclusive evidence? The officiating crew members talk to each other and they showed it on the big screen at the stadium with anyone who's watched football concluding that's a TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Perhaps that's why they moved replays to NY, it's too hard to get all the refs to cheat for you, so centralizing the decision makes there only be 1 point of contact to sway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 13 hours ago, Commonsense said: 160? What are you a Lakers fan? He was a Heat fan until LeBron went to Cleveland and he became a Cavs fan, although lately he's been feeling the Warriors. He also likes baseball, big Yankees fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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