YoloinOhio Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Regardless of what happens in this game, still a lot of time left... you have to go back and watch what Baker Mayfield did vs this defense .... in Columbus ... when OSU actually had its all American corner .... and compare. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 You can absolutely not package any picks to move up unless you get Rosen. If by some miracle he falls, take Allen. If not, draft defense with the first #1 and then Rudolph or walk away. This once glamorous QB class is a little iffy now by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Darold should spend the rest of his football career in the PAC 12 If that was possible, Matt Leinart would still be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 This is making me rethink Cousins. Last year's QBs look better than this years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 18 hours ago, ALF said: If the Bills draft someone better then Mahomes or Watson I'll be a happy camper. We will (also there is no evidence to say how good Mahomes is) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 5 hours ago, HansLanda said: You can absolutely not package any picks to move up unless you get Rosen. If by some miracle he falls, take Allen. If not, draft defense with the first #1 and then Rudolph or walk away. This once glamorous QB class is a little iffy now by me. Funny how that works out. As soon as the pressures on you see who crumbles. I thought Ohio State would make him look like chopped liver.and they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Darnold should stay another year in college if all he was worried about was developing as a QB. Luckily for us and the Bills, he would be stupid to stay since his draft stock has no where to go but down, and he also risks injury. In order to have any type of semi-realistic shot at Mayfield or Rudolph (or even Allen) we need Darnold to leave school. Whether he's ready or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 I want Vita Vae and Christian Wilkinson as our 1st two picks. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 13 hours ago, PIZ said: Thanks ColoradoBills. Forgot about Arizona. I edited my post. I also added this.... In my opinion, if the Bills number 1 goal is to get a top QB from this draft, then they are trading up. If you want a QB, and don't pick in the top 10, you have to trade up. You can't stand pat. In previous drafts, how many QBs were taken in the first round by a team that did not trade up? Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes, Wentz, Goff, Roethlisberger, .... I'm sure there are more. I think they go all in to get their QB in the draft and use FA to fill Dline and Oline gaps. Theyll hopefully still have aa 2nd for a LB. Was Big Ben a trade up? I don't thinke he was. We tried to trade up ahead of the Steelers but failed and they stood pat and grabbed him I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 If McCarron wins his grievance and is a UFA, I am in favor of signing him AND drafting a qb. My draft selection at this very early stage is Mayfield but this may change, and I wouldn't want to trade an excessive amount of picks to move up. Please, let's not give away the store ala Whaley!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Was Big Ben a trade up? I don't thinke he was. We tried to trade up ahead of the Steelers but failed and they stood pat and grabbed him I thought. You're right. I was thinking about the Bills trying to trade up for him. This article says it's a bad idea to trade up for a QB. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/history-says-trading-up-for-a-first-round-quarterback-is-generally-a-terrible-idea/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 we need a veteran QB to start. the rookie will be waiting in the wings and hopefully won't have to play at all in 2018. because of that, you are obviously not trading away your entire draft to move up to get one of these guys. we are not rebuilding and starting from scratch so that would be counter-productive. 3 QB's will be off the board before we even pick. that brings us to the 2nd tier of QB's. based on his size and success in college, Mason Rudolph in the 2nd round makes a lot of sense. he will be the 4th or 5th QB off the board and i would take him over 2-3 of those guys anyhow. he provides the best value and those other guys are going to be projects too so go for the guy with the size and maturity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 I think it could end up being Drew Locke with a veteran being signed earlier. I put down Lamar Jackson. I don't think Darnold or Rosen are practical at this point. Mayfield's off field antics are too much of a red flag for me, and I have too many questions about Mason Rudolph. I think Lamar Jackson to Desaun Watson is a better comparison than Lamar Jackson and Tyrod Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 23 minutes ago, TigerJ said: I think it could end up being Drew Locke with a veteran being signed earlier. I put down Lamar Jackson. I don't think Darnold or Rosen are practical at this point. Mayfield's off field antics are too much of a red flag for me, and I have too many questions about Mason Rudolph. I think Lamar Jackson to Desaun Watson is a better comparison than Lamar Jackson and Tyrod Taylor. Haha! Don't kid yourself. Jackson is a 1-read and run QB. Deshaun is a FAR superior passer. Lamar is your typical super athletic QB who has relied on his natural abilities up until now. It was just this season that he realized he needs to be able to read defenses, scan the field and go through his progressions to make it at the next level. Supremely talented and a tremendous athlete, but Lamar Jackson is NOT an NFL QB. Not even close. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 For those that havent watched Lamar improve greatly from the pocket this year watch the TaxSlayer bowl 3 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Haha! Don't kid yourself. Jackson is a 1-read and run QB. Deshaun is a FAR superior passer. Lamar is your typical super athletic QB who has relied on his natural abilities up until now. It was just this season that he realized he needs to be able to read defenses, scan the field and go through his progressions to make it at the next level. Supremely talented and a tremendous athlete, but Lamar Jackson is NOT an NFL QB. Not even close. And yet i bet you have watched him how many times this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 IMO, Jackson is a 3rd round pick. Just like Braxton Miller, and just like JT Barrett will be too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 32 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: For those that havent watched Lamar improve greatly from the pocket this year watch the TaxSlayer bowl And yet i bet you have watched him how many times this year? They read too many internet articles and listen to the exes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Likes The Bills Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 52 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Haha! Don't kid yourself. Jackson is a 1-read and run QB. Deshaun is a FAR superior passer. Lamar is your typical super athletic QB who has relied on his natural abilities up until now. It was just this season that he realized he needs to be able to read defenses, scan the field and go through his progressions to make it at the next level. Supremely talented and a tremendous athlete, but Lamar Jackson is NOT an NFL QB. Not even close. You guys need to stop with this foolishness, he is most definitely an nfl qb. He will go top 10 and some team will be very happy to have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Jackson and Rudolph will both be 1st rounders besides the other 3. Bottom line is the Bills have to use one of their 1st rounders if they intend to draft a QB whether anyone likes it or not. They will not be able to wait till the 2nd round or after it just isn't happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 14 minutes ago, Rad Likes The Bills said: You guys need to stop with this foolishness, he is most definitely an nfl qb. He will go top 10 and some team will be very happy to have him. Now as much as i have come around on Jackson this year. He is NOT a top 10 pick. More likely between 20-35 however he really should stay in school and hone his craft one more year and he will be a top 5 pick, but he wont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: IMO, Jackson is a 3rd round pick. Just like Braxton Miller, and just like JT Barrett will be too. Barrett in the 3rd round of what? The WGR meat/candy draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, ILoveEndingTheSeasonInNov said: Jackson and Rudolph will both be 1st rounders besides the other 3. Bottom line is the Bills have to use one of their 1st rounders if they intend to draft a QB whether anyone likes it or not. They will not be able to wait till the 2nd round or after it just isn't happening. Your 1st round Graded QBs based off just me watching in order Rosen Darnold Allen (Yes Allen he still witll be one of the first 4 QBs taken and should be) Mayfield Jackson Rudolph now you also have that could climb Falk Ferguson Finley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: If McCarron wins his grievance and is a UFA, I am in favor of signing him AND drafting a qb. My draft selection at this very early stage is Mayfield but this may change, and I wouldn't want to trade an excessive amount of picks to move up. Please, let's not give away the store ala Whaley!!! ...never understood why OBD didn't take a flyer on him in the 4th.....he's a cerebral game manager type like Alex Smith, the same guy they passed on when he was a UFA terming him as a "lateral move from Fitzy"......as far as the draft, I'd bet their safe mid 1st round pick is Rudolph which is just a hunch......Beane himself scouted him for what it's worth....interesting... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Your 1st round Graded QBs based off just me watching in order Rosen Darnold Allen (Yes Allen he still witll be one of the first 4 QBs taken and should be) Mayfield Jackson Rudolph now you also have that could climb Falk Ferguson Finley Agreed Yep, if Darnold and Rosen declare I guarantee 6 1st round QBs minimum...... This is a very QB needy year in a very QB needy league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, ILoveEndingTheSeasonInNov said: Agreed I have to add i am ONLY trading up for Rosen or Darnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 11 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I have to add i am ONLY trading up for Rosen or Darnold Did you watch Darnold try to take on the Buckeyes last night? He's to young..needs to stay and play in the PAC another year since the NFL talent would eat him up and destroy his confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 21 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I have to add i am ONLY trading up for Rosen or Darnold MAJ, don't Rosen character trouble you? I mean by some of his commentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 9 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Did you watch Darnold try to take on the Buckeyes last night? He's to young..needs to stay and play in the PAC another year since the NFL talent would eat him up and destroy his confidence. Unless an nfl OL gives him time to shred defenses up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, the skycap said: MAJ, don't Rosen character trouble you? I mean by some of his commentary. Ever watch the Elite 11, a lot of the coaches didn’t like his coach ability cause of his demeanor/character Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 19 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Did you watch Darnold try to take on the Buckeyes last night? He's to young..needs to stay and play in the PAC another year since the NFL talent would eat him up and destroy his confidence. Yes. One game doesnt make an evaluation 12 minutes ago, the skycap said: MAJ, don't Rosen character trouble you? I mean by some of his commentary. Nope. Everything i have read said he has grown into a leader. So he had a hottub as a Frosh and spoke the truth about the NCAA 8 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: Ever watch the Elite 11, a lot of the coaches didn’t like his coach ability cause of his demeanor/character Ooo no I obviously have to care about what a Senior in HS was like. Ooo wait nah i dont Kids change alot in college. Cant call out Rosen for Character and leave Mayfield untouched just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloDave55 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 (edited) after watching some college games over the last month, anyone they DON'T TRADE UP for. Such a crap shoot. College ball does not always translate well to the speed and size of the pro game. Edited December 30, 2017 by BuffaloDave55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Rosen is the best NFL prospect , but I don't think any of these guys stand much of a chance in Cleveland. If I'm Cleveland, I give Cousins whatever he wants and trade the top pick to the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 54 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Barrett in the 3rd round of what? The WGR meat/candy draft? Ha! He probably goes later, I was just using the 3rd as a best-case baseline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 For the Darnold fans..it wasn't just last night..remember the fighting Irish game? What heavyweight did he shine against outside of the Stanford game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 56 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...never understood why OBD didn't take a flyer on him in the 4th.....he's a cerebral game manager type like Alex Smith, the same guy they passed on when he was a UFA terming him as a "lateral move from Fitzy"......as far as the draft, I'd bet their safe mid 1st round pick is Rudolph which is just a hunch......Beane himself scouted him for what it's worth....interesting... Agreed. He has only lost a couple of games in his entire life. And I like the fact that he has been sitting on the sidelines and learning. He's a very smart kid. If the Bills go with our plan, there would be no rush to toss the rookie in there. He could sit behind McCarron and learn. Another bonus would be to keep the extra picks and bolster both lines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said: Agreed. He has only lost a couple of games in his entire life. And I like the fact that he has been sitting on the sidelines and learning. He's a very smart kid. If the Bills go with our plan, there would be no rush to toss the rookie in there. He could sit behind McCarron and learn. Another bonus would be to keep the extra picks and bolster both lines. ...I'm on board.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: For the Darnold fans..it wasn't just last night..remember the fighting Irish game? What heavyweight did he shine against outside of the Stanford game. What Heavyweight did Carson Wentz beat in college? No to AJ McCarron. Just stop with settling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: What Heavyweight did Carson Wentz beat in college? No to AJ McCarron. Just stop with settling I see your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 24 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Yes. One game doesnt make an evaluation Nope. Everything i have read said he has grown into a leader. So he had a hottub as a Frosh and spoke the truth about the NCAA Ooo no I obviously have to care about what a Senior in HS was like. Ooo wait nah i dont Kids change alot in college. Cant call out Rosen for Character and leave Mayfield untouched just saying All I’m saying is you’re hearing to same stories out of college. Ive read stuff where Rosen’s teammates are sometimes turned off. Where with Mayfield he’s done some immature stuff but his teammates love him. Takevit for what it’s worth. Scouts, coaches and the GM will get all the insider info. Talent isn’t everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: All I’m saying is you’re hearing to same stories out of college. Ive read stuff where Rosen’s teammates are sometimes turned off. Where with Mayfield he’s done some immature stuff but his teammates love him. Takevit for what it’s worth. Scouts, coaches and the GM will get all the insider info. Talent isn’t everything. I have heard this about Rosen a couple times from people on this board. So I will ask again where is this stuff about Rosen’s team mates. I wont hold my breath because everytime i ask this it is NEVER produced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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