Lets just go for Kirk Cousins in the offseason

[mannc]

1 minute ago, McBean said:

He’s not leaving Washington.

If you say so.

[4merper4mer]

6 hours ago, mannc said:

Cousins is a far better bet than any QB coming out this year, although the price tag will be high.  The Redskins’ schedule this year has been absolutely brutal, but Cousins’s numbers the last two and a half years are borderline elite. I don’t understand why he is so little respected around here.

He sucks out loud.  He makes some good plays and negates them with boneheaded mistakes and lots of them.  25+ for that?  Nope.

46 minutes ago, JM57 said:

What description did Beane give

Someone who doesn't do vulgar things on the sidelines.

[mead107]

No thanks

[JM57]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

He sucks out loud.  He makes some good plays and negates them with boneheaded mistakes and lots of them.  25+ for that?  Nope.

Someone who doesn't do vulgar things on the sidelines.

Oh Jesus Christ on a cracker I've seen closeups of Tom Brady cursing out his offensive teammates on the sidelines for 15+ years and we're going to pass on a quarterback for a little crotch grab? Save me the righteousness. I want someone who is absolutely driven to win, not a team of good sweet choir boys.

[Big Turk]

Then again Cousins is 4-6 despote putting up huge numbers

[BigBuff423]

The only issue I have with this, other than his age, is that it would most likely take ALL the Cap money the Bills are projected to have next year. Which means, you have just the Draft to fix all the other areas on the team. As opposed to using your Draft capital to take a QB in the 1st, either with ONE of their two picks (preferrably) or using both to trade up, but using the same amount of FA money to address Dline, Oline, LBer, Corner and along with depth at WR, Safety, and TE. Then, in the Draft you can still take the QB plus more Dline, Oline, WR, and LBer....

[auburnbillsbacker]

Cap space and draft picks are resources.  Picking up Cousins would eat up a lot of cap space but preserve a lot of draft picks.  The 5 players we draft in the first 3 rounds should be quality players who will have a cheap salary for 4-5 years.  This should offset some of Cousins huge contract.  My only reservation is that teams with slightly above average QBs with huge salaries have not done well recently.  

[FLXbillsmafia]

8 hours ago, Bakin said:

Does anyone realize the Cousins led Skins have a worse record than the Tyrod led Bills??

 

Losses to the Eagles twice, Saints, Vikings, Cowboys, and Chiefs. That is an insane schedule. No bad losses, whereas the Bills have lost to the Jets, Bengals, and Chargers.

 

Washington has a bad defense, just like the Bills. That is why they aren't a playoff team. Drew Brees doesn't make the playoffs when his defense sucks either. But Cousins at least is leading a top 10 offense, and that is despite injury to Jordan Reed and losing Desean Jackson and Garcon in the offseason.

[BigBuff423]

4 minutes ago, FLXbillsmafia said:

Losses to the Eagles twice, Saints, Vikings, Cowboys, and Chiefs. That is an insane schedule. No bad losses, whereas the Bills have lost to the Jets, Bengals, and Chargers.

 

Washington has a bad defense, just like the Bills. That is why they aren't a playoff team. Drew Brees doesn't make the playoffs when his defense sucks either. But Cousins at least is leading a top 10 offense, and that is despite injury to Jordan Reed and losing Desean Jackson and Garcon in the offseason.

 

And for reasons unknown, there is a APB out on Terrelle Pryor....

[NewEra]

Wouldn’t be surprised if we allocated all of our draft picks and FA money on the OL and DL/LBs while going with Tyrod and Nate next year.  ( and maybe using a mid rd pick in a Qb).  The DL and LBs are most likely the worst units in the nfl.  We don’t have one starting caliber LB in a scheme that really emphasizes fast LB play and coverage ability.  

 

Leonard Johnson needs to be upgraded as well.  He was burned on the reg today by Keenan Allen. What a day for mr allen.  QB is a major issue and the most important part of the puzzle but you saw how successful drew Brees was the last few years playing with a bottom 5 defense.  Our defense is currently broken.  

 

 

[Returntoglory]

12 hours ago, Kingston Bills Fan said:

Maybe Alex Smith would give us 5 years or so to rebuild but still contend 

Kingston NY?

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Fully guaranteed 4 year 100mil $$$$ contract. We need to get Cousins.

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

Cousins will be a Bill.  God told him not to sign with Washington.  Pegula, McDermott and Cousins will be the Christian connection.

[Bakin]

6 hours ago, FLXbillsmafia said:

Losses to the Eagles twice, Saints, Vikings, Cowboys, and Chiefs. That is an insane schedule. No bad losses, whereas the Bills have lost to the Jets, Bengals, and Chargers.

 

Washington has a bad defense, just like the Bills. That is why they aren't a playoff team. Drew Brees doesn't make the playoffs when his defense sucks either. But Cousins at least is leading a top 10 offense, and that is despite injury to Jordan Reed and losing Desean Jackson and Garcon in the offseason.

I love how excuses for other team's QBs are ok and we should pay them 30$ M for mediocrity. 

 

I think I read somewhere that Cousins leads the league in Red Zone interceptions?? Not sure if true but some skins fan told me this. 

 

Of course, our own QB, with his limitations, should be bagging groceries. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

I think Cousins but this Dennison offense I don't trust anyone in it and O-Line....

[Mat68]

16 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Exactly....we've already managed to win too many games to go after a Rosen, Mayfield or Darnold. We may even be out of the Mason Rudolph level. You know what you have in Kirk Cousins and he can give you 6-8 quality years. You have no problem wasting money on Dareus or Mario Williams. Why not a qb this time?

 

I disagree.  if Buffalo ends up with a top 15 pick they have plenty of ammo to send to San Fran.  Assuming they keep Jimmy G they will be moving down on draft night.  

[GETTOTHE50]

Please just get cousins. The way he played in seattle was awesome

[Solomon Grundy]

21 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

I'd rather draft our own guy and I'd be surprised if he decided to come to Buffalo if he reaches UFA. 

Why can't we draft our own guy and let him learn behind Cousins? Just look at the current roster Cousins is playing with. Second and third string Oline, second and 3rd string receivers. Horrible defense. I believe that this Bills team as constructed now with starters being healthy and Cousins, could compete for SB. Cousins is a baller. Let the drafted QB, like a Josh Allen, learn from Cousins for a couple seasons 

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Why can't we draft our own guy and let him learn behind Cousins? Just look at the current roster Cousins is playing with. Second and third string Oline, second and 3rd string receivers. Horrible defense. I believe that this Bills team as constructed now with starters being healthy and Cousins, could compete for SB. Cousins is a baller. Let the drafted QB, like a Josh Allen, learn from Cousins for a couple seasons 

 

Anything could happen, but if he gets to UFA I believe he chooses another destination and that just fine by me. 

[HumbleAndHungry]

21 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

I don't want to waste another 5 years waiting to see if a drafted QB is going to work out again. Lets just go for the proven guy. Go get Kirk Cousins in the offseason and focus the draft on other needs

I was against this for the longest time but I'm slowly starting to come around to this type of thinking I think if you were able to sign cousins along with our big hall of draft picks you can be competitive super quickly.  We need to invest heavily whether through the draft or free agency on our offenseive line and defensive line it should be priority number one other than quarterback obviously

[Domdab99]

WHy does everyone think Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins would do any better than Tyrod as a stop-gap? It's absurd. Let's Alex Smith put up the same numbers with the supporting cast Tyrod has had. 

[mannc]

6 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

WHy does everyone think Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins would do any better than Tyrod as a stop-gap? It's absurd. Let's Alex Smith put up the same numbers with the supporting cast Tyrod has had. 

Maybe because Cousins is a better QB than Tyrod??  I agree with you regarding Smith, though.

[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Please just get cousins. The way he played in seattle was awesome

Cousins is great between the 20s...inaide the redzone he struggles

[mannc]

7 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Cousins is great between the 20s...inaide the redzone he struggles

71 passing touchdowns in his last 42 regular season games.  Wish we had a qb who struggled like that.

[KGun12TD]

Ugh!!! Yuck!!!

[Big Turk]

24 minutes ago, mannc said:

71 passing touchdowns in his last 42 regular season games.  Wish we had a qb who struggled like that.

 

And yet he has probably a near identical record to Taylor

[mannc]

29 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

And yet he has probably a near identical record to Taylor

As does Drew Brees.

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, Domdab99 said:

WHy does everyone think Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins would do any better than Tyrod as a stop-gap? It's absurd. Let's Alex Smith put up the same numbers with the supporting cast Tyrod has had. 

Kirk Cousins would be more than a stop gap. Smith maybe but not Cousins. I'd still rather sign him no matter how much money it is over possibly drafting another J.P. Losman or E.J Manuel

[Tcali]

22 hours ago, mannc said:

Wow, some awful takes in this thread.  You also realize that Phil Rivers has led the Chargers to a much worse record than Tyrod since 2015, and that Drew Brees has led the Saints to one more win than Tyrod during that time, right?

Please explain how a guy who was 22-30, for 320 yards, 3tds and zero ints cost his team the game.

Grounding when they were in position to kick a FG and win at end of regulation.

And stats don't make a great QB. Rivers is a stats guy and Romo was a stats guy and neither of them were clutch players.

Romo could throw for 400 nyds and still blow the game with a clutch mistake.same with Rivers.

Cousins is similar to these guys. Is he better than TT ? Yes. he has talent. But some QBs are winners and others just aren't.

In NBA terms think Carmelo Anthony.

[purple haze]

21 hours ago, JM57 said:

What description did Beane give

http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/07/buffalo_bills_gm_brandon_beane_describes_what_he_looks_for_in_franchise_quarterb.html

 

He will keep an open mind, but his preference is a big QB.  Mason Rudolph, Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold fit more of what he's describing in terms of physicality.  He wants Cam or Big Ben types.

[buffalo2218]

19 hours ago, matter2003 said:

Then again Cousins is 4-6 despote putting up huge numbers

If he put up huge numbers, then obviously the problem isn't Cousins

[PABillsfan23]

On 11/19/2017 at 10:18 PM, Domdab99 said:

God no. Cousins is an idiot who has already lost two games single-handedly with stupid decisions. I'd rather have Tyrod.

??

28 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

If he put up huge numbers, then obviously the problem isn't Cousins

Cousins gave up 15 points in the last 5 minutes.. He missed a block on third and one and the running back got stuffed.  Then he was playing defense and missed a few tackles.  

[JM57]

1 hour ago, purple haze said:

http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/07/buffalo_bills_gm_brandon_beane_describes_what_he_looks_for_in_franchise_quarterb.html

 

He will keep an open mind, but his preference is a big QB.  Mason Rudolph, Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold fit more of what he's describing in terms of physicality.  He wants Cam or Big Ben types.

Reading that, he's talking about those guys in terms of size, sure. But then he mentions arm strength and the scheme they play in and whether or not they can or do audible. Rudolph probably has the weakest arm out of the 4, and I've seen multiple mentions of the Oklahoma State offense being a detriment to his draft stock.

 

Then he goes into intangibles which is where I think Mayfield is going to make good GMs drool. Yeah, he's done some silly stuff like the crotch grab, but that stuff can be corrected with a little more maturity. He's got that fiery leadership style. Intangibles is where Rosen will probably get dinged by teams. 

[buffalo2218]

1 hour ago, PABillsfan23 said:

??

Cousins gave up 15 points in the last 5 minutes.. He missed a block on third and one and the running back got stuffed.  Then he was playing defense and missed a few tackles.  

Well hell, that explains everything. Oh, did he kick his lineman on a FG attempt that caused a false start knocking them out of FG range that ultimately would have won them the game too?

[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, buffalo2218 said:

If he put up huge numbers, then obviously the problem isn't Cousins

Numbers dont alwsys equal points

[buffalo2218]

25 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Numbers dont alwsys equal points

It's not the defining stat no, but given what we've seen the last 3 weeks, Cousins has put up elite numbers compared to Taylor/Peterman. Not to mention Cousins had NO beat on the road whereas Taylor couldn't do anything at home. Those that are blaming Cousins for that loss apparently just want something to argue about. If the Bills decide to go after Cousins, and use the picks to either grab a top QB or fill holes all over the place, I won't have a problem with that. Numbers may not equal points but by the same standard, the QB isn't solely the reason why a team loses either

[mead107]

Again no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no nnnnnnnnnnoooooooo

[Big Turk]

53 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

It's not the defining stat no, but given what we've seen the last 3 weeks, Cousins has put up elite numbers compared to Taylor/Peterman. Not to mention Cousins had NO beat on the road whereas Taylor couldn't do anything at home. Those that are blaming Cousins for that loss apparently just want something to argue about. If the Bills decide to go after Cousins, and use the picks to either grab a top QB or fill holes all over the place, I won't have a problem with that. Numbers may not equal points but by the same standard, the QB isn't solely the reason why a team loses either

 

Do you ever wonder why some QBs always put up great numbers but have crappy records? I mean they did make the playoffs the year before but it wasnt like they were 12-4 or something...

 

Cousins just doesn't seem to elevate his team or raise others level of play. Its hard to judge but making plays at key times of a game will often decide who wins and who loses. Cousins is not very good during this time, henceforth why his record is near .500...putting up 350 yards passing a game is all well and good but converting on a key 3rd down late in the game is going to decide whether you win or lose more times than passing for a lot of yards...he hasnt gotten it done in crunch time...hes not that much different from Taylor in that regard.

 

Cousins is 23-28-1 in his career as a starting QB. He wins 45% of his games. There is a reason for that. Its hard to exactly pinpoint but it's a thing...he is not that guy who is going to lead a team to a great record...he is going to put up tons of yards in the early part of the game but when you need a drive or a play late he is going to let you down. Not what we need here. He is the opposite of Aaron Rodgers in this regard. 

 

Taylor's 19-18 in comparison as a starting QB.

Edited November 21, 2017 by matter2003

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

Cousins has put up great numbers for 3 straight years now.  He is a very good, bordering on great QB.  The Redskins are allowing the 2nd most points per game against in the league and their running game is 24th in the league in yards per rush.  The Redskins have also had several injuries on the offensive line, yet Cousins is still playing great.

 

People who wouldn't want Cousins on this team are clueless.  We would instantly have a passing game that we haven't seen since the days of Kelly.  He could legit, walk in here next year and throw for 4,500-5,000 yards and 25-30 TD's.  It is actually likely his numbers would be in that range.  Drew freaking Brees didn't have success the last few years because he was in a similar situation as Cousins is now.  If you put a team around Cousins, you are going to the playoffs and could become a Super Bowl contender.

 

Every game the Redskins have lost this year, their defense has allowed more than 30 points except for the Chiefs where they gave up 29.  Their 6 losses are to the Vikings, the Cowboys, the Saints, the Chiefs in week 4 when they were absolutely on fire and the best team in the league, and 2 to the 9-1 Eagles.  Again the Redskins troubles have absolutely nothing to do with Cousins.  If we were lucky enough to get him, Bills fans should be doing back flips.

Edited November 21, 2017 by K-GunJimKelly12

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

Cousins has put up great numbers for 3 straight years now.  He is a very good, bordering on great QB.  The Redskins are allowing the 2nd most points per game against in the league and their running game is 24th in the league in yards per rush.  The Redskins have also had several injuries on the offensive line, yet Cousins is still playing great.

 

People who wouldn't want Cousins on this team are clueless.  We would instantly have a passing game that we haven't seen since the days of Kelly.  He could legit, walk in here next year and throw for 4,500-5,000 yards and 25-30 TD's.  It is actually likely his numbers would be in that range.  Drew freaking Brees didn't have success the last few years because he was in a similar situation as Cousins is now.  If you put a team around Cousins, you are going to the playoffs and could become a Super Bowl contender.

 

No we arent clueless we realize that stats dont always tell the whole story. Cousins does not win. Wins are what counts not 5000 yards passing. Converting a 3rd down late in the game is far more important to Wins and losses than throwing for 350 yards. 

 

Cousins is not good in the red zone, is not good when the team needs him late or in close games. There is a reason why he has a .452 win percentage. He makes boneheaded decisions at the wrong times in games. When you make or dont make plays are really important.

 

Some people are great when the chips are down and the team needs a play some aren't. Cousins isn't. He will get paid and will put up huge numbers and will continue to have a mediocre to poor record. Just let it be elsewhere.

Edited November 21, 2017 by matter2003