Mat68 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 The Bills blow out the Tolzien Colts and 49ers. This is really not a fair argument, Buffalo would have faced 2 top 5 defenses out of their first 3 games. The Jets defense is better than Colts and 49ers as well. Lets see how they do next week vs Dallas and than the following week vs Seattle before naming Goff MVP and McVay coach of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 The Bills blow out the Tolzien Colts and 49ers. This is really not a fair argument, Buffalo would have faced 2 top 5 defenses out of their first 3 games. The Jets defense is better than Colts and 49ers as well. Lets see how they do next week vs Dallas and than the following week vs Seattle before naming Goff MVP and McVay coach of the year. Fair argument? The question is simply do you think the Rams top to bottom are better than the Bills. Obviously the teams haven't played the same opponents. Which looks better to you? I'd take the Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) Fair argument? The question is simply do you think the Rams top to bottom are better than the Bills. Obviously the teams haven't played the same opponents. Which looks better to you? I'd take the Rams. Â This question would not be asked if they played Carolina and Denver. Their offense would not have been as productive and no one would be comparing them to each other. Thats my point.. Edited September 23, 2017 by Mat68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) They have way more playmakers than us. Even guys like NRC are playmakers. They are heading in the right direction. Their secondary could use a little more talent and Aaron Donald masks some shortcomings in the LB group but they are a decent team in terms of talent. They are what we hope to be in two years, essentially. What they become is an unknown but second year qb, lots of young talent and a lot of hope. They might flop, but that's the reality of restarting like we appear to be doing too in two years we likely have "our qb" for better or worse, a lot of high draft picks and hopefully infusing some playmakers from outside Edited September 23, 2017 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 The NFL is all about matchups. Out of the 3 teams that LA has faced only 1 team has a defense with a pulse and the LA got 14 points. I am not going to claim the Rams are an offensive powerhouse because they putt up number on 2 very poor teams and did close to nothing vs an average one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) This question would not be asked if they played Carolina and Denver. Their offense would not have been as productive and no one would be comparing them to each other. Thats my point.. Â I'm going to guess the Bills wouldn't put up 40 points twice in three weeks even with the Rams schedule. They barely broke 20 vs the Jets. The Bills haven't played DEN yet. Edited September 23, 2017 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 We're comparing the Bills to the freaking Rams....how low can we go....it's depressing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) My question has to do with the entire time Taylor has been our QB?  Well never know what we got with these WRs as long as Taylor is playing QB. Its part of the reason we let Woods go and never picked up Sammys 5th year option, and then traded him. Sammy had injury issues but the production hasnt been what we envisioned when on the field. You can say the same about Clay and Woods. With only 2 games under his belt in Buffalo I bet Matthews is under yearly his avaerage also, but that has nothing to do with Taylor right? Woods and Watkins aren't really on a pace for much more than they did here. If you play out 16 games on their current pace this year and do the same for Buffalo its not much different.  Woods 16 games here: 63 catches 754 yards Woods 16 games in LA: 54 catches 902 yards  Yes Woods has 9 yards extra per game there with less 9 less catches. Still not much difference  Sammy 16 games here: 73 catches 1288 yards Sammy 16 games in LA: 69 catches 1034 yards  Less catches and less yards in LA. Still about the same. I did use Sammys 2015 season as I felt its not fair to use his hobbled 2016 season.  So people can say oh these receivers did nothing with Tyrod and look at them now with a real QB all they want to... but as of right now, they aren't doing any more with Goff than they did with Taylor. Fair argument? The question is simply do you think the Rams top to bottom are better than the Bills. Obviously the teams haven't played the same opponents. Which looks better to you? I'd take the Rams. Sure, but the Bills looked like a SuperBowl team against the 49ers last year too. Edited September 23, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) Woods and Watkins aren't really on a pace for much more than they did here. If you play out 16 games on their current pace this year and do the same for Buffalo its not much different.  Woods 16 games here: 63 catches 754 yards Woods 16 games in LA: 54 catches 902 yards  Yes Woods has 9 yards extra per game there with less 9 less catches. Still not much difference  Sammy 16 games here: 73 catches 1288 yards Sammy 16 games in LA: 69 catches 1034 yards  Less catches and less yards in LA. Still about the same. I did use Sammys 2015 season as I felt its not fair to use his hobbled 2016 season.  So people can say oh these receivers did nothing with Tyrod and look at them now with a real QB all they want to... but as of right now, they aren't doing any more with Goff than they did with Taylor.  Sure, but the Bills looked like a SuperBowl team against the 49ers last year too. Its hard to tell after a short sample. I watched all 3 Rams games and I think that O is just getting started and Sammy and Robert will have there best seasons as Pros this year. On our end I think Mathews will have his worst and will be wanting to get the !@#$ out of town by the end of the season.  No way to know for sure so we will have to see how the season pans out. Edited September 23, 2017 by BananaB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) Its hard to tell after a short sample. I watched all 3 Rams games and I think that O is just getting started and Sammy and Robert will have there best seasons as Pros this year. On our end I think Mathews will have his worst and will be wanting to get the !@#$ out of town by the end of the season. Â No way to know for sure so we will have to see how the season pans out. Yes exactly. They had a great game out of 3. The other 2 games they didn't really do anything. Its far too early to tell what is going to happen. Too small sample size. Edited September 23, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewMexBills Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Rams are better then us imo, they have a young upside QB so that's a huge check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Offense yes. Defense I don't know. The rabid rhino is back with his agenda. OBD should have left the offense alone. Did a nice job fixing the defense. or it seems so. We'll know more Sunday how good the defense really is. Â I don't think the Denver game will shed more light on the status of our defense...They're not exactly the 2007 Patriots.....Their defense on the other hand.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Â I don't think the Denver game will shed more light on the status of our defense...They're not exactly the 2007 Patriots.....Their defense on the other hand.... Well they do currently have the best rushing attack in the NFL. Despite people wanting to put Simien in the hall of fame they only have the 20th passing attack right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Not with Sammy and Tavon in concussion protocol. sammy is already hurt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Well they do currently have the best rushing attack in the NFL. Despite people wanting to put Simien in the hall of fame they only have the 20th passing attack right now. I dont know about the HOF, but Siemien appears to have made a big jump from 2016. The Broncos are the closest thing to a highly functioning NFL offense the Bills D has faced yet, so it will be an indication. Fans will have a much better idea of the defense's quality after DEN , ATL games for sure . sammy is already hurt? Under current NFL rules if you take a shot to the head, you get evaluated and put in the concussion protocol . It's not the old NFL. Is SW more susceptible to a head shot than any other NFL player? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocLawless Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 yes, and so are 30 other teams. Â Â haven't you heard, the bills suck. Â Â this is getting to the point where it's not even worth coming to this board, nothing but a bunch of downers smearing their tears all over the place. so much crying and whining. Â Â boo hoo!!!!! ^THIS x100000000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I dont know about the HOF, but Siemien appears to have made a big jump from 2016. The Broncos are the closest thing to a highly functioning NFL offense the Bills D has faced yet, so it will be an indication. Fans will have a much better idea of the defense's quality after DEN , ATL games for sure . Â Under current NFL rules if you take a shot to the head, you get evaluated and put in the concussion protocol . It's not the old NFL. Is SW more susceptible to a head shot than any other NFL player? Probably not. Yeah, it was just some hyperbole. I agree with the rest of what you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I really dont think its a question. Im much rather have a core of McVeigh, Goff, Gurley, & Watkins. That might be one of the best young cores in the nfl. The 2,000 La Rams should be very excited. Â I suspect Tyrod will be gone next year and possibly McCoy. If the Bills were lucky to get a guy like Rosen, who I think is a better qb prospect than Goff, that would be a great start. It would be nice to have Sammy for him to throw to but we hate excitement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I really dont think its a question. Im much rather have a core of McVeigh, Goff, Gurley, & Watkins. That might be one of the best young cores in the nfl. The 2,000 La Rams should be very excited. Â I suspect Tyrod will be gone next year and possibly McCoy. If the Bills were lucky to get a guy like Rosen, who I think is a better qb prospect than Goff, that would be a great start. It would be nice to have Sammy for him to throw to but we hate excitement. I don't get Gurley. I don't see it with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 But they are going to have to pay Donald and Sammy next year Sammy a free agent after this year. Who knows where he will be next year. Sammy will go to the highest bidder...and, imho, was the reason the bills sent him on his way. (got something instead of nothing.) donald will be payed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 they should be they have 4 top 10 pick in the offensive huddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Sammy a free agent after this year. Who knows where he will be next year. Sammy will go to the highest bidder...and, imho, was the reason the bills sent him on his way. (got something instead of nothing.) donald will be payed. That wasn't the reason. They could have had him 'this year and next by picking up his option. Still a reasonable cost for two seasons and a possible franchise tag after that. It was a shortsighted and foolish move on a team devoid of stars and with no huge paydays coming up to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Then again when you give up 39 points to the 49ers, I've got a feeling they are going to be on the losing end of some high scoring gaems this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 For everyone obsessing over their cap situation the Rams project to have $62m in space in 2018 and have a number of high priced contracts (Quinn, Broeckers, Barron, Austin) all of whom have BIG cap numbers and are no longer key pieces for this regime. To get rid of those 4 would clear over $45m in additional space for a cost of about $9m in dead cap. Â It comes down to Goff. If he is the guy they are set for the next decade and have another 2 years after this with him at a very reasonable price. Â Their cap position is at least as good as ours if not better. Stop trying to steal my thunder!!! I already posted that in here. I'm going to sue you for plagiarism!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) Then again when you give up 39 points to the 49ers, I've got a feeling they are going to be on the losing end of some high scoring gaems this year Or it's possible that you are underestimating the Niners offense this year. They have a better QB, and a pretty good offensive mind in Shanahan running things( his monumental SB flub notwithstanding). I'd conjure a guess that SF offense ends up better than the Bills this year. Edited September 24, 2017 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Or it's possible that you are underestimating the Niners offense this year. They have a better QB, and a pretty good offensive mind in Shanahan running things( his monumental SB flub notwithstanding). I'd conjure a guess that SF offense ends up better than the Bills this year. Or maybe its too soon tell make any real determinations? Â Lets keep in mind that regardless of what is thought of TT as the qb....he his main WR targets are a. A rookie....and b. A guy that missed a ton of training camp time.......his starting LT is hurt and being replaced by a rookie that we thought was going to be the RIGHT tackle...... Â What does not appear to be a question (well....maybe it actually still is) our defense..... Â Reserving judgement till I see a few more games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Or maybe its too soon tell make any real determinations? Â Lets keep in mind that regardless of what is thought of TT as the qb....he his main WR targets are a. A rookie....and b. A guy that missed a ton of training camp time.......his starting LT is hurt and being replaced by a rookie that we thought was going to be the RIGHT tackle...... Â What does not appear to be a question (well....maybe it actually still is) our defense..... Â Reserving judgement till I see a few more games This offense isn't fair for either QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Truly it's not a great team to compare to... again, we are tearing down and they are building up. Odds are we are pretty comparable today but hope the in two years we have the limitless potential of a second year qb and a ton of weapons. Whether their qb or ours end up working out is anyone's guess but when you watch the 2017 rams, the comp point is the 2019 bills, not today's. Â Unfortunately, we might be a little behind them in that we are letting the young weapons go and hoping to replace them instead of keeping the youth and adding too them like the rams did. Additionally, we likely won't get a number one pick still. Crazy to pair those two statements but feels like both are true. So our qb might not be the top guy on our board and we might have a harder time giving him that trip of WRs and a good young back so quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Then again when you give up 39 points to the 49ers, I've got a feeling they are going to be on the losing end of some high scoring gaems this year I'll take a 9-3 lose over that any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Or it's possible that you are underestimating the Niners offense this year. They have a better QB, and a pretty good offensive mind in Shanahan running things( his monumental SB flub notwithstanding). I'd conjure a guess that SF offense ends up better than the Bills this year. ehh...maybe til midseason when Hoyer's limitations really catch up to him like what happened with the Browns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Fan in LA Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 I'm a transplanted Bills fan from Ithaca living in LA for 35 years. I don't read junk mail, watch reality TV, or follow the Rams or Chargers....... Â Go BILLS ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 I'm a transplanted Bills fan from Ithaca living in LA for 35 years. I don't read junk mail, watch reality TV, or follow the Rams or Chargers....... Â Go BILLS ! lol you follow a junk team, though. Â go bills haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KermitMcDermott Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 BTW, wonder where they would be with Bradford if Fisher was fired when he should have been in 2010. Â Jeff Fisher... Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Stop trying to steal my thunder!!! I already posted that in here. I'm going to sue you for plagiarism!!! Sorry Kirby obviously missed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 way better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 same ol rams....they suck  wont win another game for 8 weeks until the N.O. game  beat 2 of the 3 worst teams in league.  you think SF is putting up 39 points on the bills defense ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) Rams are in the hope stage. They have a lot of talent on both sides of the football. Now they have to put it all together which is the hardest part. They remind me of the Oakland Raiders a few years ago. Â Bills are once again in the rebuild stage. Edited September 24, 2017 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Not with Sammy and Tavon in concussion protocol.Tavon makes no difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 I didn't think the Rams were better than us until they mysteriously acquired a #1 WR in a head scratching trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Yes no question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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