bobobonators Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I often feel this message board is some kind of secret government psychological experiment. The way some posters read or hear something then conclude something from that is really fascinating. It is like the pass-it-on game. Wonderful fun sometimes....completely off base....but wonderful fun nonetheless. HAHAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 This puts a damper on TTs requirement to see a receiver wide open before he throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Jordan Matthews is 100% correct. He doesn't have to SAY that running zone coverage is easier for opponents defensive backs for anyone to know that is true. Keeps coming back to the same point that Taylor just isn't confident enough to "throw" his receivers open. I would expect every team we face this season to run zone coverages and put 8-9 guys in the box to defend the run. Why wouldn't you do that, until it starts to beat you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Jordan Matthews is 100% correct. He doesn't have to SAY that running zone coverage is easier for opponents defensive backs for anyone to know that is true. Keeps coming back to the same point that Taylor just isn't confident enough to "throw" his receivers open. I would expect every team we face this season to run zone coverages and put 8-9 guys in the box to defend the run. Why wouldn't you do that, until it starts to beat you? because some coaches are to proud/cocky to do something that will work vs their style of defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Really hoping it doesn't turn into Rexs abomination of defense on offense but they have essentially done the same thing. It's unfortunate because the offense really was a solid unit the past couple years despite the people on this board who constantly throw Tyrod under the bus. It would be nice if this franchise didn't constantly !@#$ up good things.  This  Who'dAthunk it! A bad WR group struggles to get separation! And that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) @SPECNewsROC McDermott acknowledged the #Bills' wideouts haven't done well winning individual battles during the first two games. http://www.twcnews.com/nys/rochester/sports/2017/09/20/buffalo-bills-denver-broncos-sean-mcdermott-wide-receivers-.html   @JonScottTV Jordan Matthews with some interesting comments regarding the WR criticism. #Bills https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/910601730827718657     So what he specifically said was - twice - "we have to work on ...."  What do you think he would say if you asked him if there were any areas at all that they didn't have to work on in any offensive or defensive area? Exactly. He'd say we have to work on everything. That's what all coaches say, and for good reason. You work on areas of weakness, but you also work on areas of strength. You constantly work on your whole game, from fundamentals to arcane details.  I don't see anything much there. Edited September 22, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) Â This, exactly. I'm tired of Dennison. He is AWFUL. Â We have a terrible game plan that is clear to the defense, plus a sub-par QB, and one to two above average WR's (Matthews and Zay) and average WR's (Holmes, Tate). We don't have an all-star, but you shouldn't need a game-braking all-star WR to put up points when you have Shady, IMo. You need a decent QB and game plan. Â this. TT's biggest weakness is that he refuses to throw with anticipation and to give his guys the chance to win jump balls. Put TT on Dallas and Dez is just another WR. Put him on Arizona, and Larry Fitz would get 0 catches. Â Â Â It's funny how every year it's the OC's fault that the passing game sucks. Then the next year they bring in a new OC and we fail again and it's the new OC's fault. Year after year. Â Weird coincidence. Edited September 22, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 because some coaches are to proud/cocky to do something that will work vs their style of defense. True story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Â Â Â It's funny how every year it's the OC's fault that the passing game sucks. Then the next year they bring in a new OC and we fail again and it's the new OC's fault. Year after year. Â Weird coincidence. Not a coincidence when you are bad at hiring people to run your team. It's incompetence, not coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Not Enough Separation from the Bills' WRs, given that Tyrod won't throw the ball unless he can see at least 2 car lengths of open field between receiver/defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1. Jordan Matthews, Zay Jones, Andre Holmes, and Brandon Tate; are still better than: Â 2. Marquise Goodwin, Justin Hunter, Walt Powell, and Brandon Tate. Â They're both crap. But Group #1 is better overall IMO. Â The Bills were able to produce 25 points with group #2 @ Miami last season with Shady injuring himself and rushing for 11yds that game. Â A. Lynn >>>>>>> Dennison. The end. Any given week will have ups and downs as 1-2 explosive plays can really impact the score... but the WR group being weak and struggling to gain separation is totally expected. Some week say will get that catch and maybe another and it'll look hopeful but on a whole I don't think we have the talent to do it week in and week out (even healthy yet alone when injury strikes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Â Â Â It's funny how every year it's the OC's fault that the passing game sucks. Then the next year they bring in a new OC and we fail again and it's the new OC's fault. Year after year. Â Weird coincidence. i don't know if you've noticed, but the run game has also suffered, drastically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 @SPECNewsROC McDermott acknowledged the #Bills' wideouts haven't done well winning individual battles during the first two games. http://www.twcnews.com/nys/rochester/sports/2017/09/20/buffalo-bills-denver-broncos-sean-mcdermott-wide-receivers-.html   @JonScottTV Jordan Matthews with some interesting comments regarding the WR criticism. #Bills https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/910601730827718657 They trade/let-walk their best receivers and wonder why the B league or rookie players they have left can't get separation. Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 They trade/let-walk their best receivers and wonder why the B league or rookie players they have left can't get separation. Yikes. Â He just said in his presser this morning that Brandon Tate can stretch the field. You know, they guy he deactivated for Kaelin Clay last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 To me this has more to do with play calling than player execution. Once Buffalo decided they should let Taylor throw the ball on first down they moved the football. I understand with the teams strength they can not abandon the run however, they need to do a better job of keeping the defenses guessing. This week will be interesting to see into coach Mcdermott's philosophy. I want to see them open up the offense but I expect they are going to use a similar game plan as to the one that was used vs Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Our WR have plenty of separation, they are all about 2500 miles away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I often feel this message board is some kind of secret government psychological experiment. The way some posters read or hear something then conclude something from that is really fascinating. It is like the pass-it-on game. Wonderful fun sometimes....completely off base....but wonderful fun nonetheless. Â Dude. You just totally blew my mind.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 Our WR have plenty of separation, they are all about 2500 miles away. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julio Hopkins Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Seems like McDermott is extremely new to the concept of football. Maybe the Pegula's should hire him a tutor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Our WR have plenty of separation, they are all about 2500 miles away. Â You win this thread ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 @SPECNewsROC        McDermott acknowledged the #Bills' wideouts haven't done well winning individual battles during the first two games. http://www.twcnews.com/nys/rochester/sports/2017/09/20/buffalo-bills-denver-broncos-sean-mcdermott-wide-receivers-.html   @JonScottTV  Jordan Matthews with some interesting comments regarding the WR criticism. #Bills https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/910601730827718657 Also, in other news the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 Also, in other news the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. Â Yep. Many of us said this would be the case as soon as the Watkins and Darby trades went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I just wish they would act like they know what it is a evaluation year. I think most Bills fans can accept a crap win year if they are seeing the entire playbooks on Sunday (wait no they wont what am i saying) Â Do you honestly think that if the team came out and said "We're going to spend the next year evaluating everything, and will probably only get about 3 wins," that most posters here would change what they think and write? Â Â I swear some of you treat this team like it's a girlfriend. Â "I love you, baby, but I just wish you'd be honest with me. I've been hurt before, baby, and my emotions are raw, and I just need to know the truth so I don't look like a fool. I just can't handle another night of you banging another guy, unless you'll just be straight and tell me that's what you're doing. I still won't like it, but at least I know you're being honest with me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Â Do you honestly think that if the team came out and said "We're going to spend the next year evaluating everything, and will probably only get about 3 wins," that most posters here would change what they think and write? Â Â I swear some of you treat this team like it's a girlfriend. Â "I love you, baby, but I just wish you'd be honest with me. I've been hurt before, baby, and my emotions are raw, and I just need to know the truth so I don't look like a fool. I just can't handle another night of you banging another guy, unless you'll just be straight and tell me that's what you're doing. I still won't like it, but at least I know you're being honest with me." Â Interesting analogy. Â If the Bills team is Bills fans' girlfriend, then Bills fans are Ray Rice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) I don't like this. We saw on the All22 that WRs were open against the zone. They need to given a chance to make plays. I agree with this 100%...sure the whole offense played like crap, but Tyrod is the leader of the offense, and to me it was he who left plays on the field...and I'm getting tired of hearing coaches throw everyone under the bus EXCEPT suspect #1- the QB...why don't you ever hear coaches say their QB needs to keep his eyes down field more, get rid of the ball on time, and hit his open receivers? They act like there is no elephant in the room. Edited September 23, 2017 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I agree with 100%...sure the whole offense played like crap, but to me it was Tyrod who left plays on the field...and I'm getting tired of hearing coaches throw everyone under the bus EXCEPT suspect #1- the QB...why don't you ever hear coaches say their QB needs to keep his eyes down field more, get rid of the ball on time, and hit his open receivers? They act like there is no elephant in the room. Same issue for 2+ years now...guys sit wide open adn Tyrod doesn't see them or he could throw them wide open and won't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 By Conor Orr Around The NFL Writer After watching both Bills games this season, I've come away thinking that Matthews is a more practical fit for the improvisational Taylor, as are the rest of Buffalo's remaining receivers. When he becomes engrained in this offense, it will start to diversify. While the run game is their absolute strength, it becomes a detriment when the team is consistently plowing into a brick wall of eight or nine defenders on every play. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000849157/article/jordan-matthews-give-bills-passing-game-some-time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 There were open guys. Tyrod just doesn't see the field well or throw to the opening. You can't wait for a guy to come open in the NFL all the time. Those windows close faster than they do in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Mathews is good. When given the chance he will make a play on the ball. When his contract is up and the bills don't want to pay, he will go somewhere with a real QB and be a player. Tyrod needs to start trusting his WRs and let these guys make plays. Every good QB does this all the time. It's not a huge deal, it's only Tyrods 7th year in the league and he has only had the same issues for his entire time as a starter. I'm sure it's just a matter of time here before he figures it out. We just got to give this guy 4 or 5 more seasons. By then he will probably realize that most decent WRs will make plays on almost any corner. I'm sure that day is coming.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigs Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Should've kept the generational talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 This just in... Â McDermott: Right tackle a weakness on the OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I don't like this. We saw on the All22 that WRs were open against the zone. They need to given a chance to make plays. Â of course they were, but the narrative here is that they suck. Â Matthews has caught as WR 1 in Philadelphia, 85 passes from Bradford & Sanchez in 2015 and 73 passes from rookie Wentz in 2016. Granted, the total yardage could be better (11.7 YPR), but the guy can and does get open. it's just a matter of throwing him the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I say theses next 2 games are put-up or shut-up time for Tyrod & Dennison. Fact is the OC has rank over the QB so by Cinci, Peterman will start then we can see how the O works. Let's Go Buffalo!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buff808 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Everything is so predictable, why not try different players. The defenses key on Clay, try Logan big target unexpected. Try any w/o they never heard of, nothing to lose, keep rotating. We can find the match up, but we have to take chances, let Tyrod move and buy time, line is not going to hold up. Von Miller will have have a Buffalo zip code if Mills has to block him alone. Our D can ruin Denvers offenses day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 It's the good old "We have to be better" assertion. When your team's coach is talking like this, you know you have a mediocre team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills-fan in arizona Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Well that's usually what happens when you have a rookie and a bunch of cast offs. This organization remains a joke until proven otherwise, the trade of Sammy is just unthinkable. Please spare the 'something for nothing' argument. We should have extended his rookie option and kept him a bill as long as possible. I feel bad for the QB savior we attempt to draft with this wr core... it could be the second coming of Jim Kelly and he will struggle mightily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 This just in... Â McDermott: Right tackle a weakness on the OL Â ...Astrobot's DraftTek web site has Bflo going OL and DL with the two 1sts in 2018 and Falk at #43........hmmmm............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 Â of course they were, but the narrative here is that they suck. Â Matthews has caught as WR 1 in Philadelphia, 85 passes from Bradford & Sanchez in 2015 and 73 passes from rookie Wentz in 2016. Granted, the total yardage could be better (11.7 YPR), but the guy can and does get open. it's just a matter of throwing him the ball. Â He was never their #1 target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Â He was never their #1 target. Â ...so if he put up those numbers as a #2 or less, you wouldn't kiss his twin cheeks?......may need a GPS helmet in Bflo though and Goodell may not approve............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 Â ...so if he put up those numbers as a #2 or less, you wouldn't kiss his twin cheeks?......may need a GPS helmet in Bflo though and Goodell may not approve............... Â I'd do a lot of McDermott style clapping for him, but you're asking a bit too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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