YoloinOhio Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 The point kdiggz was making is that desperation might tempt them to sweeten the deal. The value chart is a nice tool but it's not a rule. exactly, the chart doesn't dictate anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) exactly, the chart doesn't dictate anything Starting point for me would be their 1st, 2nd, 5th for 19. Maybe even one of their 7ths to secure a PFA guy. Pay it or you're starting Mark Sanchez. Punish them for having a QB deficiency. Edited April 26, 2016 by Blokestradamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 It will if a team is desperate for a QB. For a regular player I would agree. If it was the Broncos trying to jump ahead of the Jets we could get their 2nd and 3rd and 4th like what they did to jump up for Tebow Possibly but that seems like a lot...maybe we find someone to really overpay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) Starting point for me would be their 1st, 2nd, 5th for 19. Maybe even one of their 7ths to secure a PFA guy. Pay it or you're starting Mark Sanchez. Punish them for having a QB deficiency. right. does the chart factor in anything about positional or player value? If not I don't see how it can be used as anything but a starting point. The #4 pick was worth more in 2014 when Sammy Watkins was sitting there than the #4 pick was worth in 2013 when it was lane Johnson there or whoever. The #1 pick was worth more last year when Jameis Winston was there than it was this year when it is Goff or whoever. I would love for the Jets to get desperate. I think they know they will end up getting Fitz though at the price they want because he seemingly doesn't have options. Edited April 26, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Hey why not? Let's draft another first round QB who can't understand an NFL offense.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Take a good player at 19 and let the Jets deal with Lynch. That's a win win scenario. I don't see why Denver would overpay to move up when they could stay put and take a more pro ready QB like Cook. Cook could challenge Sanchez sooner, Lynch is going to need time and a few visits to the Wizard of Oz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Smokescreen for a trade down Boom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 right. does the chart factor in anything about positional or player value? If not I don't see how it can be used as anything but a starting point. The #4 pick was worth more in 2014 when Sammy Watkins was sitting there than the #4 pick was worth in 2013 when it was lane Johnson there or whoever. The #1 pick was worth more last year when Jameis Winston was there than it was this year when it is Goff or whoever. I would love for the Jets to get desperate. I think they know they will end up getting Fitz though at the price they want because he seemingly doesn't have options. I think the value is implied more than anything. The better the player, the more you can ask for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 They want the jets to move to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 A team determined to milk the process for picks would probably approach it this way: You feign interest to drive up the price, and you stay in contact with the player's agent on draft night. You keep in contact and find out when your target team is starting to make inquiries about moving up. At the same time, you pick a few targeted teams and gauge interest about moving up, just to see what it would take, all-the-while letting them know that Lynch is your guy. Then, when the time is right, you call your target move-down spot and tell them you aren't taking Lynch, but you'll move down with them as long as he's on the clock when you pick. It's gamesmanship, but that's not far from the reality of how it gets done. What'd you get this from Draft Day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I think Lynch will go much earlier than most people here expect. Rare size and physical ability. Who knows about the rest. I don't think the Bills will want to trade the necessary assets to move up and take him if that is what it would take to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I like quite a few QBs this year. None are plug-in-&-play, but future stars in the league. Goff, Wentz, Jones, Hack' & Lynch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WannabeGM Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I hope this is a smokescreen. Totally reminds me of JP Losman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 What'd you get this from Draft Day? I don't watch Kevin Costner Actually, Charlie Casserly talked about the process a few years back, and it always stuck with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I don't watch Kevin Costner Actually, Charlie Casserly talked about the process a few years back, and it always stuck with me So it's a lot more fluid than I gave it credit for, if that's true about the agents being the go between for teams etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Starting point for me would be their 1st, 2nd, 5th for 19. Maybe even one of their 7ths to secure a PFA guy. Pay it or you're starting Mark Sanchez. Punish them for having a QB deficiency. I want next years first too screw the 5th and 7ths. I like the way you think. Give them a 4th back right. does the chart factor in anything about positional or player value? If not I don't see how it can be used as anything but a starting point. The #4 pick was worth more in 2014 when Sammy Watkins was sitting there than the #4 pick was worth in 2013 when it was lane Johnson there or whoever. The #1 pick was worth more last year when Jameis Winston was there than it was this year when it is Goff or whoever. I would love for the Jets to get desperate. I think they know they will end up getting Fitz though at the price they want because he seemingly doesn't have options. Another team i would like to see abused in the draft Take a good player at 19 and let the Jets deal with Lynch. That's a win win scenario. I don't see why Denver would overpay to move up when they could stay put and take a more pro ready QB like Cook. Cook could challenge Sanchez sooner, Lynch is going to need time and a few visits to the Wizard of Oz. Careful what you wish for. IK no longer is in the Jets locker room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Can we please just fast-forward to Thursday...I'm warn out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I want next years first too screw the 5th and 7ths. I like the way you think. Give them a 4th back You drive a hard bargain. Sure you don't want Elway's first born grandchild as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) I want next years first too screw the 5th and 7ths. I like the way you think. Give them a 4th back Another team i would like to see abused in the draft Careful what you wish for. IK no longer is in the Jets locker room Oh no worries I was sending Lynch to the Wizard to get a brain not a jaw. Edited April 26, 2016 by Commonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 exactly, the chart doesn't dictate anything Except it did pay for Jimmy Johnson's hair styling for about two decades. Other than that... not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 You drive a hard bargain. Sure you don't want Elway's first born grandchild as well? A man has to know when to stop pushing a deal. But is that grankid on the bargaining table? Oh no worries I was sending Lynch to the Wizard to get brain not a jaw. Punch Lynch and you get Geno, consider it at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I curse the prick that first used the term "smokescreen" on ESPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 As long as they block the jets. Work a deal with Denver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I said last week I thought that the interest in Lynch was to make the Jets spend extra resources to get him. I think that now more than ever. I dunno, I'd rather see Lynch go to Denver, Arizona, Saints or even the Browns rather than the NY Jets. Let Gailey keep calling pass plays for Fitz. Unlike others, I wouldn't be upset if the Bills took Lynch and sat him for this season to see if Tyrod does become that elite franchise QB. If so then Lynch will make great trade bait for some extra picks. If not then the Bills have an actual backup plan who could be another Kaepernick... that isn't broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 This would ruin the draft for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I dunno, I'd rather see Lynch go to Denver, Arizona, Saints or even the Browns rather than the NY Jets. Let Gailey keep calling pass plays for Fitz. Unlike others, I wouldn't be upset if the Bills took Lynch and sat him for this season to see if Tyrod does become that elite franchise QB. If so then Lynch will make great trade bait for some extra picks. If not then the Bills have an actual backup plan who could be another Kaepernick... that isn't broken. If so, he will not get you the value of a 19th pick in return. He may get you a 3rd or 4th in a trade. That is just what tends to happen when a guy sits (unless of course you are Rob Johnson and getting traded TO the Bills). I don't really want him to go to the Jets but if he does I would rather that they have to use their 2nd as well to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Lynch is a major fashion downgrade from Tyrod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Everything about Paxton annoys me so he's perfect for the Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Trade bait. They can't be this dumb. U sure about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I curse the prick that first used the term "smokescreen" on ESPN. How about "crapshoot"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Will Lynch even be there at 19? If the Bills are really interested I think they'll have to move up to get him. The reaction to that will be legendary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Lynch is a major fashion downgrade from Tyrod everyone is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Will Lynch even be there at 19? If the Bills are really interested I think they'll have to move up to get him. The reaction to that will be legendary. Nope. He'll be gone by pick 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Will Lynch even be there at 19? If the Bills are really interested I think they'll have to move up to get him. The reaction to that will be legendary. you mean like burning down buildings at OBD with everyone in them, legendary ? perhaps so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) I don't see them drafting Lynch, I do hope they trade down and screw the Jets though. If Lynch goes earlier that just pushes the top talent down further for the Bills to chose. Edited April 26, 2016 by Beef Jerky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I curse the prick that first used the term "smokescreen" on ESPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I curse the prick that first used the term "smokescreen" on ESPN. Before you know it you will be saying "Fox Sports" b.c all the ESPN people seem to be heading there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) Nope. He'll be gone by pick 8. drop him 1 spot for each of the following-His hair His mustachio His fu man chu beard His name His intro on NFLN draft commercial where he pulls his sunglasses down ever so slightly 14 sounds about right Edited April 26, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Nope. He'll be gone by pick 8. The 49ers are going to take him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I curse the prick that first used the term "smokescreen" on ESPN. It was chan Gailey talking about his offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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