Blokestradamus Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Just throwing it out because it really becomes Norman & a 2 or Gilmore. Again, it's not likely (at all) but I'm just throwing it out. I'm curious to see the deal Norman gets. Gilmore isn't signing anything until the market is fully set. Panthers picked the worst time to do this from our standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 gilmore a legit top tier man cover guy norman an adequate zone safety not even close who's worth more should not even be mentioned in the same breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) I hope he goes to the Giants. LOL Edited April 20, 2016 by QuoteTheRaven83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobRyanFan Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 SIGN HIM! SIGN HIM! SIGN HIM NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Terrific decision by the Panthers. I have been saying throughout that he is 28 and has a good season and a half. He started 2014 on the bench, yes he has played very well since, but it is just too big a gamble. How many corners continue to play at a high level into their 30s? It isn't many. He allegedly wanted 6 years... you are not going to commit to him for that long at a big ticket price... even 4 would be a push for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I'm seeing a lot of zone corner shaming going on. Acting like it's not a skill, get the !@#$ outta here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 gilmore a legit top tier man cover guy norman an adequate zone safety not even close who's worth more should not even be mentioned in the same breath Lol what the heck is this!? A zone safety? Mrhmm your Bills biased is a little strong on this take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Just throwing it out because it really becomes Norman & a 2 or Gilmore. Again, it's not likely (at all) but I'm just throwing it out.the draft pick is enticing, but I just don't think he's worth what he's going to want $ wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I hope he goes to the Giants. LOL funny thing theyre one of the few teams with needs on defense and cap space. but even without the OBJ complication, think theyre too smart to overpay norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Carolina may trade up. Wouldn't be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 funny thing theyre one of the few teams with needs on defense and cap space. but even without the OBJ complication, think theyre too smart to overpay norman I think you're giving them too much credit. How much did they pay Vernon again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I see the Bears going after him and continuing to reshape that defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Just throwing it out because it really becomes Norman & a 2 or Gilmore. Again, it's not likely (at all) but I'm just throwing it out. Heads up Gilmore is better but compared to Norman and a pick that could be Darby (or kujo) it's an interesting talk. The dollars would make a difference in the discussion though. What's the hypothetical pay on each? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Not exactly. JTSP is still upset that Norman exposed OBJ for the baby that he is. Irrationality is like oxygen to him. Lol what the heck is this!? A zone safety? Mrhmm your Bills biased is a little strong on this take. JTSP isn't a Bills fan, he's a OBJ fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Heads up Gilmore is better but compared to Norman and a pick that could be Darby (or kujo) it's an interesting talk. The dollars would make a difference in the discussion though. What's the hypothetical pay on each? I am thinking similar. Apparently the Panthers wanted Norman for $11M. Maybe something like the 5 years and $65.5M that Haden got? At least I think that he got about $13M a year on average. Again, just throwing it out for conversation sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I get that, but Carolina controls the strings. They basically gave Norman what he wanted. You would think they could use his services this year if he refused the trade. What does freeing up $14MM at this point do? there was the possibility of not signing the tag until after camp...maybe missing all OTAs including camp and becoming a pain during the process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) I'm seeing a lot of zone corner shaming going on. Acting like it's not a skill, get the !@#$ outta here.Oh that's just jtsp going jtsp again. It's a thing. Top 4 dominant corner this season is somehow not as good as Corey graham. Edited April 20, 2016 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I'm seeing a lot of zone corner shaming going on. Acting like it's not a skill, get the !@#$ outta here. It's remarkable how few there are that can play man coverages and zone coverages equally well, though. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 i say the jags pony up next to the raiders, jags are most improved in AFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Carolina couldn't trade Norman because he wasn't under contract as he didn't sign his tender, this is why they could rescind it. In my opinion this is a mistake on Norman's part. There's a limited market for him at this point so he's going to get much less money than if he played under the 14 million tag for a year and became a free agent next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Late in FA, but 6 teams still have >$20M in cap space: Bears (22.1), Giants (22.2), Titans (29.4), Browns (39.8), 49ers (52.2) & Jags (53.7) Carolina just freed up $14M didn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 NFL Nation: Landing spots for Josh Norman Which teams will have interest now that Josh Norman is a free agent? Our NFL Nation reporters pick out who could make a pre-draft splash by signing the star cornerback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 So Panthers gave Norman's agent permission to seek a trade... And nada @josephperson Panthers gave Josh Norman's agent OK to pursue a trade, per source. When that didn't materialize ... http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article72926107.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Gonna be interesting. Now he can fight Cam again after he picks one off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 @JasonColeBR At least 8 teams have expressed interest in ex-#Panthers CB Josh Norman. Among those are #Bucs, #Dolphins, #49ers, #Rams and #Bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Oops I would have taken that 14 mil myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 @PatKirwanCBS Josh Norman: "Tell ya one place that ought to be thinking about him are the @Jaguars." AUDIO: http://bit.ly/1SbQiGL @SiriusXMNFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 carolina loves their lb's and def line which helped make norman look real good. he wasn't thought that high of here and everybody kind of thinks he's been a one year wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 @JasonColeBR At least 8 teams have expressed interest in ex-#Panthers CB Josh Norman. Among those are #Bucs, #Dolphins, #49ers, #Rams and #Bears. media still not getting what the panthers are signalling the rest of the league informed them: the guy is not that good and got torched every time he went one on one against top WRs. why in the world pay a guy top dollar if he can't hold his own against the opponent's top players? a one year deal for a guy ... even if overpaid ... would have been tolerable. But no one is giving him a long term, top dollar deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Can't blame the player for trying to get as much money as he can... Panthers just aren't going to be the team to give it to him. This could set the market for Gilmore. I doubt he gets 16 mil from any team. I'm curious to see the deal Norman gets. Gilmore isn't signing anything until the market is fully set. Panthers picked the worst time to do this from our standpoint. I don't think its bad for the Bills at all. Actually, the fact the Panthers didn't give in to 16 million is good for the Bills. If Norman has gotten that Gilmore's agent would be asking for that ballpark. I don't think Norman gets that from any other team. Even the ones who have a lot of money to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I doubt he gets 16 mil from any team. I don't think its bad for the Bills at all. Actually, the fact the Panthers didn't give in to 16 million is good for the Bills. If Norman has gotten that Gilmore's agent would be asking for that ballpark. I don't think Norman gets that from any other team. Even the ones who have a lot of money to spend. I've got to agree. It will set a cap for Gilmore. If the market isn't "set" then the agent is going to try for a number beyond the highest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Maybe that helps with Gilmore negotiations, who knows. Norman is now currently a FA. Rex says sign him! Been saying all along, if he were in a bills uni hes no better than Corey Graham then why was the whole league raving about him last yr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 then why was the whole league raving about him last yr? They weren't the freaking media was. Julio and Roddy called him out before the falcons game and then went out and torched him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I don't think its bad for the Bills at all. Actually, the fact the Panthers didn't give in to 16 million is good for the Bills. If Norman has gotten that Gilmore's agent would be asking for that ballpark. I don't think Norman gets that from any other team. Even the ones who have a lot of money to spend. There might be someone desperate enough to splash the cash on him. Even if the Panthers didn't, someone else might. Carolina value their DL more, they'll spend on Short and Lotulelei. If average corners like Joe Haden are getting $13.5m a year, Norman has every right to hold out for more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Norman , Wilkerson , Fitz , Von Miller , the players wanting big contracts is growing and the salary cap is starting to push back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 the guy is not that good and got torched every time he went one on one against top WRs. why in the world pay a guy top dollar if he can't hold his own against the opponent's top players? Top ranked CB in football last year. What other uber wrong takes do you want to post ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Oops I would have taken that 14 mil myself And not a penny less .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Maybe that helps with Gilmore negotiations, who knows. Norman is now currently a FA. this is what may happen with Gilmore. If Rex's defense is so pressure scheme and confusion dependant, why do you need $20m corners... i know i know they are on an island, etc. but they only have to cover for 2 or 3 seconds before the ball is forced out by the pressure... my sense is you pay average rate for corners and overpay the smarter players and the Jerry Hughes types who can run the Rex pressure scheme... right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Miami might be interested, I hope not http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article72943127.html#navlink=Lead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) Edited April 21, 2016 by truth on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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