boater Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 WGR alluded to this story http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000609519/article/which-nfl-gms-are-on-the-hot-seat With: The Pegulas, the new owners of the Buffalo Bills, think of him very fondly and he is in lockstep with coach Rex Ryan. If the report is true. Many fans heads will explode. (not mine though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Not surprising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 WGR alluded to this story http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000609519/article/which-nfl-gms-are-on-the-hot-seat With: If the report is true. Many fans heads will explode. (not mine though) Vic Carucci's might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Whaley is one of the things that is right with this organization. Never could understand the misguided negative perception. The guy's job is to bring in talented players. He can't control the way they play or the way the coaches coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Whaley is one of the things that is right with this organization. Never could understand the misguided negative perception. The guy's job is to bring in talented players. He can't control the way they play or the way the coaches coach.Oh it's very easy to understand. People need someone to vent their frustations on, whether they are part of the problem or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Finally some positive vibes out of OBD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 So Jason LaConjecture might be wrong yet again? Shocker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Glad he is back. One more year for Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) WGR alluded to this story http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000609519/article/which-nfl-gms-are-on-the-hot-seat With: If the report is true. Many fans heads will explode. (not mine though) I certainly hope so. Very little of what happened this year should be put on Whaley unless we are going to pin the epic collapse of the defense on him like he should have seen it coming even though nobody would have predicted it. He has drafted very well, added very good pieces both thru FA and the waiver wire, and he can only do but so much and then it's on the players and coaches. Edited December 27, 2015 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billschinatown Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 So Jason LaConjecture might be wrong yet again? Shocker! It's only conjecture if we don't like the news. Good news is always true. This is probably true though. Now you know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 So Jason LaConjecture might be wrong yet again? Shocker! Unpossible..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Whaley is one of the things that is right with this organization. Never could understand the misguided negative perception. The guy's job is to bring in talented players. He can't control the way they play or the way the coaches coach. Exactly my point...he can only do so much...drafts, FA classes and waiver wire additions have all been very good for the most part with Whaley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 And the wheels keep spinning.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billschinatown Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 And the wheels keep spinning.... Better than taking the wheels off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 It's only conjecture if we don't like the news. Good news is always true. This is probably true though. Now you know how it works. It's conjecture when it's nonsensical **** thrown against the wall with no basis in fact. Now you'll know it next time you see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Better than taking the wheels off What will we do without the driver of the 6-10 bus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I think it is really hard to assess Whaley's performance the last two years and his role in the front office in terms of decision making prior to that time. Even if you give him all of the credit for recent drafting and player acquisitions, i am not sure why there is such strong support for him on this board. We continue to miss the playoffs and I do not think there is a lot to be optimistic about for next year given our cap situation and need to, at a minimum, retool on defense. I am trying to be objective here, but I think the best argument that can be made for Whaley is that a GM should have at least three years to turn things around. Maybe the better argument is that after 16 years without making the playoffs and new ownership, a housecleaning is in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I think it is really hard to assess Whaley's performance the last two years and his role in the front office in terms of decision making prior to that time. Even if you give him all of the credit for recent drafting and player acquisitions, i am not sure why there is such strong support for him on this board. We continue to miss the playoffs and I do not think there is a lot to be optimistic about for next year given our cap situation and need to, at a minimum, retool on defense. I am trying to be objective here, but I think the best argument that can be made for Whaley is that a GM should have at least three years to turn things around. Maybe the better argument is that after 16 years without making the playoffs and new ownership, a housecleaning is in order. The argument for Whaley changes every season. Watch him no longer get credit or blame for Brown, Bradham, Mario or Rex even though they were all reasons to keep him 6 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I think it is really hard to assess Whaley's performance the last two years and his role in the front office in terms of decision making prior to that time. Even if you give him all of the credit for recent drafting and player acquisitions, i am not sure why there is such strong support for him on this board. We continue to miss the playoffs and I do not think there is a lot to be optimistic about for next year given our cap situation and need to, at a minimum, retool on defense. I am trying to be objective here, but I think the best argument that can be made for Whaley is that a GM should have at least three years to turn things around. Maybe the better argument is that after 16 years without making the playoffs and new ownership, a housecleaning is in order. i don't think the Pegulas should be Drought Dwellers and I don't think they are. Whaley has not been the GM for 16 years. They haven't been the owners for 16 years. They've been here 1 year. They need to look at the here and now and not what came before, and decide if it has the foundation to build upon in a positive direction. A "czar" type would help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellDopeland Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 So if an "insider" reports something that does not comport with your opinion (Whaley and Ryan at odds), you trash the report as nonsense. If another "insider" reports the opposite, you then praise the new report and state that it is certifiable proof that the original was garbage. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) I'm good with this. I hope they put pressure on Rex to change his D to the one last year. Enough pressure that he quits. They need to tell him he needs to can his defensive staff and change the system and just be the coach! Don't be surprised if this happens. Edit :This would be better than changing the personnel Edited December 27, 2015 by fansince88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 So if an "insider" reports something that does not comport with your opinion (Whaley and Ryan at odds), you trash the report as nonsense. If another "insider" reports the opposite, you then praise the new report and state that it is certifiable proof that the original was garbage. Got it. Ian Rapoport > Jason LaConjecture every time. Get that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) Good... Let's fix this defense and get a real #2 WR Harvin was supposed to be that guy Edited December 27, 2015 by TheFunPolice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Good... Let's fix this defense and get a real #2 WR Harvin was supposed to be that guy Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Oh it's very easy to understand. People need someone to vent their frustations on, whether they are part of the problem or not. People need to just suck it up and lower their expectations. Making the playoffs isn't the be all end all. We should just be happy we have a team and if they are better than 0-16 then the season should be considered a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenboy81 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Great news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellDopeland Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Ian Rapoport > Jason LaConjecture every time. Get that! If it doesn't come from Jay Glazer, it's all crap to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 If it doesn't come from Jay Glazer, it's all crap to me. I get that because he enjoys a good rep based on his track record, but he's not the only legitimately sourced NFL insider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Whaley is one of the things that is right with this organization. Never could understand the misguided negative perception. The guy's job is to bring in talented players. He can't control the way they play or the way the coaches coach. After 16 years people have to find a reason. I think Whaley is not the right choice though. The argument for Whaley changes every season. Watch him no longer get credit or blame for Brown, Bradham, Mario or Rex even though they were all reasons to keep him 6 months ago. Whaley did not sign Mario. Nix did. Brown was a good pick. Bad year this year. Good his rookie season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananathumb Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Poor Whaley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 What I believe to be the facts: 1) OBD in disarray 2) Nobody pays the price this offseason Prediction: 1) Don't expect success (spelled playoff appearance) for 3-5 years pending regime change which will inevitably happen due too ineptness (primarily coaching staff). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Whaley is one of the things that is right with this organization. Never could understand the misguided negative perception. The guy's job is to bring in talented players. He can't control the way they play or the way the coaches coach. What you say is true (IMO), but, if he is in lockstep with Rex then he needs to bring in the players that fit his defensive scheme. It would have been nice if that started last off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 What I believe to be the facts: 1) OBD in disarray 2) Nobody pays the price this offseason Prediction: 1) Don't expect success (spelled playoff appearance) for 3-5 years pending regime change which will inevitably happen due too ineptness (primarily coaching staff). Based upon what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 i don't think the Pegulas should be Drought Dwellers and I don't think they are. Whaley has not been the GM for 16 years. They haven't been the owners for 16 years. They've been here 1 year. They need to look at the here and now and not what came before, and decide if it has the foundation to build upon in a positive direction. A "czar" type would help with that. A czar would signal to your actual GM that the owners do not consider him capable of doing his job. If you need a "czar", you need a new GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 A czar would signal to your actual GM that the owners do not consider him capable of doing his job. If you need a "czar", you need a new GM. I agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 After 16 years people have to find a reason. I think Whaley is not the right choice though. Whaley did not sign Mario. Nix did. Brown was a good pick. Bad year this year. Good his rookie season. Brown is bad this year because of the scheme. He is too slow for this defense. He will do nothing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I agree 100% What about a part time former czar who consults on larger football matters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) What about a part time former czar who consults on larger football matters? IMO, there's no such thing as a czar who consults. A czar calls shots and sets strategy that others below him follow. A consultant OTOH makes recommendations that do not have to be adhered to. That's my sense. If they want to consider an outside assessment to see where those ideas fit into what they're already doing...Fine by me. Edited December 27, 2015 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Not surprising agreed. thats was some leak though huh? Created another rift for us fans to argue over. pre game radio has said it numerous times today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Good. I still believe Whaley is one of the better GMs about. His overall account is in credit for me. Sounds very much like the Buffalo News "no change" article was probably true... which means keeping Rex which I like a lot less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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