MDH Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) This one is on Rex IMO, just not for the challenges. I'm going to repeat myself here because you keep repeating this. If the offensive system sucks, it's Rex's fault. If the D system sucks, it's Rex's fault. If the team's challenge system sucks, it's Rex's fault. He either has a direct hand in the systems in place or he has willfully given someone else the duty. Either way, it's his decision. Either way, it's his fault. Edited November 30, 2015 by MDH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Bill Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 You can never take Rex at his word in press conferences. Sometimes it's easy to see what he is doing. Other times not so much. But rarely can you believe him. Sometimes he's deflecting blame. Sometimes he is protecting his players. Sometimes he is just lying so no one looks responsible even if they were.Sometimes he is just saying stupid s*it because, well, that's what stupid people do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Roman for HC. And bring back the Schwartz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 He did that too. It's a pattern with him, he says it's ultimately my fault - right after he gets done explaining how it wasn't. take it from someone who lives in Jersey, and was subjected to his being called out on this repeatedly over his last few years with the Jets - yes. yes. yes. it's a lot easier to challenge a catch by your receiver, than quickly weighing the risk reward of challenging, and ignoring his pleas - just as it is, to dismiss a challenge because your receiver wasn't demonstrative in his reaction to the call. a head coach who leaves the management of a game to his players is going to going to get an invite to their kids' birthday parties, but is gonna leave plays on the field that may cost those players the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Rex is Rex. People should understand what he does. To me, usually but not always, he is pretty clear what he is doing. In this particular case he is taking responsibility when it really wasn't his. He does that with players all the time. What he doesn't do, unfortunately, is take responsibility for his defense when it is his, which is what happened today. Taking responsibility is blaming it on the opposing stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Roman for HC. And bring back the Schwartz. This has a real chance of coming to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 They can simply watch CBS... Was thinkin the same thing- man this staff is inept all across the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 This has a real chance of coming to fruition. I thought he was joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I'm going to repeat myself here because you keep repeating this. If the offensive system sucks, it's Rex's fault. If the D system sucks, it's Rex's fault. If the team's challenge system sucks, it's Rex's fault. He either has a direct hand in the systems in place or he has willfully given someone else the duty. Either way, it's his decision. Either way, it's his fault. With that theory it is Whaley's fault. And with that theory it is the Pegula's fault. The "buck stops here" is very rarely true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 At this point the only thing that is going to save Rex's rep is if he can get these guys to win five in a row. When was the last time the Bills won five in a row? It's not like it's impossible, but given the way Rex has the playing it seems so. So, Rex, how about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 That was weak. It's almost impossible that Bills coaches in the booth couldn't get the TV replays. He's covering for incompetence the way he often does with players. They should pay someone to check the board here, if that's the case. (I'll volunteer, for far less that Mario got paid to sit this one out.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Hang on Girls. It is not Rex's job to officiate the game. It is the NFL's job through it's officials. They are a complete embarrassment. You cannot challenge every play they screw up. We will again see a letter or statement form the NFL acknowledging "errors" made in the game. Week after week. Rex and his staff did plenty to screw this game up. The refs were horrendous. again. again. again. You are correct, it shouldn't be up to the coaches to have the responsibility to choose with plays to correct since there are so many of them. Can't challenge everything. Officiating is getting worse week by week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Rex digging himself a huge hole with repeated references to Chief's replays....... It sounds dumber with each reading/repeating.. For once I agree with WEO--these guys should at least get the game feed (ideally with a DVR) in the booth. If they see as much as we do, then it was obvious that those two plays needed to be challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I'm going to repeat myself here because you keep repeating this. If the offensive system sucks, it's Rex's fault. If the D system sucks, it's Rex's fault. If the team's challenge system sucks, it's Rex's fault. He either has a direct hand in the systems in place or he has willfully given someone else the duty. Either way, it's his decision. Either way, it's his fault. I kind of disagree on this one. The guy whose job it is to tell Rex to challenge is to blame. It's his job; no one else can do it for him. He screwed up. I am not sure how you blame Rex for it, except to impute every mistake every person on the entire team makes to the head coach, which strikes me as silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 you get two challenges per game....we have to use them because the officiating is pathetic...there is something wrong with that. Blaming Rex is what's weak- he doesnt see the replays he told by guys upstairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 take it from someone who lives in Jersey, and was subjected to his being called out on this repeatedly over his last few years with the Jets - yes. yes. yes. it's a lot easier to challenge a catch by your receiver, than quickly weighing the risk reward of challenging, and ignoring his pleas - just as it is, to dismiss a challenge because your receiver wasn't demonstrative in his reaction to the call. a head coach who leaves the management of a game to his players is going to going to get an invite to their kids' birthday parties, but is gonna leave plays on the field that may cost those players the game. Good post. Hogan should have been more demonstrative! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineMoxie Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Roman for HC. And bring back the Schwartz. Except Roman's not that great either. He has repeatedly shown that he can't make adjustments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Rex is looking more and more like a bafoon.Buffoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The Maclin play was obvious immediately as was the Hogan catch. What was classic was Watkins made that challenged catch on the sideline and of course they allowed plenty of time for Reid to challenge. That was a 50/50 call. Manning & Elway would have run the next play to ensure no time for a challenge. Both plays were obvious on replay, probably not obvious on a sideline view. I can't blame Rex for not challenging those two, but whoever looked at them in the booth and didn't tell him to challenge probably shouldn't have that responsibility next week. Woods also has to relax the "hell yes I caught it" act which I expect influenced Rex's decision. But maybe Hogan can dial his act up a little. Rex as HC is in charge of deciding who is in the booth reviewing, how they pass information to him, and what he decides to do based on that information. Twice that failed the Bills, and if the same guy said "challenge it! Woods caught it!" rather than that being Rex reacting to a player, then it is three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) Here's the incontrovertible truth. Rex had one challenge left. It was just seconds before the two minute warming, the point in the game when reviews come from upstairs. So there was no point in saving the replay for later. It's a no-brainer. Use it before you lose it. Edited November 30, 2015 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Rex needs to look in the mirror...only one to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Here's the incontrovertible truth. Rex had one challenge left. It was just seconds before the two minute warming, the point in the game when reviews come from upstairs. So there was no point in saving the replay for later. It's a no-brainer. Use it before you lose it. Yep. The "little things". He doesn't have a head for game management, he is a DC. It's plain as day, right in front of your face. He doesn't have "situational awareness". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 For once I agree with WEO--these guys should at least get the game feed (ideally with a DVR) in the booth. If they see as much as we do, then it was obvious that those two plays needed to be challenged. They do get the feed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) Yep. The "little things". He doesn't have a head for game management, he is a DC. It's plain as day, right in front of your face. He doesn't have "situational awareness". How long has it been since we had a coach with "situational awareness"? As much as I hate the Cheats**** and Bellicheat****; they are the best in this regard. They may cheat to know the plays, but damn it the are aware of each situation and what the correct call is; every time. In a league with as much parity as there is and the frequent hiring and firing of coaches; this stability and honestly knowing how to coach is a huge leg up on everyone else. When you are at the top of the food chain, you are responsible for the system that everyone works in. As an HC you are the "situational awareness" guy; you don't call F'ing plays; every play! You need to watch the plays and know what is going on with your team. Given how atrocious the officiating is; it is inexcusable for him to not have a working communication system with the "guy" in the booth. Shifting the blame to others for something that is a core job responsibility of his, shows that he is a charlatan... Edited November 30, 2015 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 How long has it been since we had a coach with "situational awareness"? As much as I hate the Cheats**** and Bellicheat****; they are the best in this regard. They may cheat to know the plays, but damn it the are aware of each situation and what the correct call is; every time. In a league with as much parity as there is and the frequent hiring and firing of coaches; this stability and honestly knowing how to coach is a huge leg up on everyone else. When you are at the top of the food chain, you are responsible for the system that everyone works in. As an HC you are the "situational awareness" guy; you don't call F'ing plays; every play! You need to watch the plays and know what is going on with your team. Given how atrocious the officiating is; it is inexcusable for him to not have a working communication system with the "guy" in the booth. Shifting the blame to others for something that is a core job responsibility of his, shows that he is a charlatan... Belichick gets the most out of the talent he has, and is prepared for virtually every development. I don't think it's totally fair to compare Ryan to Belichick, but Ryan isn't even average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Belichick gets the most out of the talent he has, and is prepared for virtually every development. I don't think it's totally fair to compare Ryan to Belichick, but Ryan isn't even average. LOL I didn't originally mean to, but as I was replying I changed my mind. That honestly is how big the gap truly is and is one reason why they destroy everyone in our division. Playing Ryan the last 6 years in NY, and whatever miscast of coaches us and the 'Phins had is...I don't even know what it is..it is just sad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I think I would rather have an "up and coming" coach that might at least learn and get better. A guy with a learning curve. Ryan isn't going to get better. 4 more years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 you get two challenges per game....we have to use them because the officiating is pathetic...there is something wrong with that. Blaming Rex is what's weak- he doesnt see the replays he told by guys upstairs And you have to use the challenges on the big, game-changing plays. Hell, even if there's a 1 in 3 chance that the long "catch" by Maclin is overturned, that's a prudent use of the challenge flag. At worst it costs you a timeout (which we routinely burn when the offense isn't ready for some inexplicable reason) or one of your two coach's challenges -- one of which went unused today anyway. The risk/reward equation is so tilted in favor of throwing the challenge that it makes no sense not to. Which is why Rex increasingly makes no sense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Yep. The "little things". He doesn't have a head for game management, he is a DC. It's plain as day, right in front of your face. He doesn't have "situational awareness". I have alwAys adhered to the idea that NFL coaches are generally terrible at game management. I don't understand why they don't just delegate that task to someone else, like an analytics guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 With that theory it is Whaley's fault. And with that theory it is the Pegula's fault. The "buck stops here" is very rarely true. The buck stops here is absolutely true for anybody who actually has authority over a given situation. This isn't some far ranging hire that Rex was only sorta familiar with. He is directly responsible for it. One of the major criticisms of Rex during his years with the Jets was that he was a very poor game day coach. He didn't manage games well. Are these things never his fault then? His poor clock management and his poor decisions challenging calls are somebody else's mistakes? An attention to every detail is required from a HC, it's his fault if the systems he has in place fail. Just as it's a good coaching job when those systems succeed. It is the nature of the beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The buck stops here is absolutely true for anybody who actually has authority over a given situation. This isn't some far ranging hire that Rex was only sorta familiar with. He is directly responsible for it. One of the major criticisms of Rex during his years with the Jets was that he was a very poor game day coach. He didn't manage games well. Are these things never his fault then? His poor clock management and his poor decisions challenging calls are somebody else's mistakes? An attention to every detail is required from a HC, it's his fault if the systems he has in place fail. Just as it's a good coaching job when those systems succeed. It is the nature of the beast. And Andy Reid has been criticized on many occasions for poor in-game management. Andy looked like a master tactician compared to Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Wayne Fontes! I figured out who Rex Ryan reminds me of. A personable "player's coach", an affable, self-deprecating interviewee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhg Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Here's the incontrovertible truth. Rex had one challenge left. It was just seconds before the two minute warming, the point in the game when reviews come from upstairs. So there was no point in saving the replay for later. It's a no-brainer. Use it before you lose it. Bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 @mikerodak Rex Ryan believes there was an unusually low amount of replays in close calls in Arrowhead Stadium today. He... http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0462732883430217501-4 @AFCEastDaily AFC East Daily Retweeted Mike Rodak Rex questions the Chiefs' in-stadium replay practices. I saw two, the guy in the booth (who should be fired) must have been looking elsewhere at the time. I was yelling throw the flag on the non catch by the Chefs on their second TD drive. Those 7 points mattered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 I saw two, the guy in the booth (who should be fired) must have been looking elsewhere at the time. I was yelling throw the flag on the non catch by the Chefs on their second TD drive. Those 7 points mattered. It's a red flag, but hell yes it should have been thrown. It was obvious what the situation called for, but there was no indication that it was even a consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Front Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I believe Jets fans warned us that Rex was a terrible game manager, especially with challenges and time outs. The old dog can't break his habits or learn any new tricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 You blew it Rex! Be a man about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 It wasn't that the Chiefs rushed to get a lay called and off following the Maclin catch. Lots of time to know a flag needed to be thrown. Heck the official wasn't even in position to make that call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Rex is on that Bull$*** like a matador. This is what got Rex in trouble when he coached with the Jets. He is awful at time management and just knowing what's going on in the game overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I have alwAys adhered to the idea that NFL coaches are generally terrible at game management. I don't understand why they don't just delegate that task to someone else, like an analytics guy. Agree. It's hard to think about play calls, tendencies, and all that. All while people are probably jabbering in your ear about something else completely. I personally think challenge's are stupid. Just have a couple booth reviewers like they do in college... review what you think is close. Don't have the ref run off the field, just radio in the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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