CountDorkula Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) What? Of course he does. Drafting EJ is an example of reaching for a QB when the talent isn't there. That IMO is a bad strategy, and one we should not employ in future drafts. Are we just not allowed to mention his name anymore because you were wrong and it makes you feel bad? Is that what's bothering you? What are you talking about? How was I wrong about anything. I have nothing to do with what the Bills do. But cool insult "bro" Sammy wants his attention back. Reaching for a player is only a reach if he doesn't pan out. If the Bills "reach for a QB" and he pans out, is that still a reach? AKA, EJ has nothing to do with what happens from here on out. Edited November 9, 2015 by CountDorkula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Too early to tell. I agree with Count that it is too early to tell A couple of thoughts - We need to see if TT can be durable for a entire season.....a couple of games is acceptable (and the bills need to account for that in their backup QB) but - if he goes down multiple times in a season......we need to reevaluate that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Too early to tell. This. As of now, no. Tyrod keeps playing like he is and we have our guy, if the wheels fall off we draft someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billstein22 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 What are you talking about? How was I wrong about anything. I have nothing to do with what the Bills do. But cool insult "bro" Sammy wants his attention back. Reaching for a player is only a reach if he doesn't pan out. If the Bills "reach for a QB" and he pans out, is that still a reach? AKA, EJ has nothing to do with what happens from here on out. ...what? Anyway, this isn't that difficult. EJ is an example of trying to select a QB early on in the draft, when there are more talented (ie., players who are more likely to hit than miss) players available. We shouldn't do that as there are better ways to use our first round pick. With respect to the 2016 draft, I do not believe there will be any true first round talents available when we make our first round pick. If that's the case, then we should not use a first round pick on a QB. A reach is a reach, whether it works out or not. If it works out, then great. But it is illogical given that players available in the beginning of the draft have a greater likelihood of panning out. Why draft a QB who will be available later on in the draft when you could use that pick on a player with greater talent / higher probability of success? You could always take the QB in one of the following rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I don't know what the QB class is going to look like, but if the Bills finish 8-8 or better they are likely out of range for any outstanding QB prospects that might be in the draft. I've seen some of Connor Cook. I admit I haven't watched him a lot, but what I saw wasn't that impressive. Coupled with a 58% completion rate in college, I have to think he isn't a 1st round caliber player, though he could be drafted in the first just because QB prospects are always elevated due to the large need in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Given the fact that our quarter-billion (yes, billion) dollar quartet puts up about as much pressure as a feather duster, I'm making DL a priority. Unless you want to keep paying Mario $19M/year for setting the edge. Even if Mario stays, you have to be thinking about the future here. My draft needs: 1. OL 2. DL 3. LB 4. QB (if one is available and worth it at the pick) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Can't answer definitely until the season is over. At this point, yes.if TT stays healthy, we make the playoffs, and he plays well throughout - I may change my mind. I don't know what the QB class is going to look like, but if the Bills finish 8-8 or better they are likely out of range for any outstanding QB prospects that might be in the draft. I've seen some of Connor Cook. I admit I haven't watched him a lot, but what I saw wasn't that impressive. Coupled with a 58% completion rate in college, I have to think he isn't a 1st round caliber player, though he could be drafted in the first just because QB prospects are always elevated due to the large need in the NFL. i believe there will be a QB with a 1st round grade available at or close to the Bills pick. And they should do what they need to do to get him. The top 5 guys in the draft are not QBs. There are also teams who will draft high who won't take a QB. Edited November 9, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) ...what? Anyway, this isn't that difficult. EJ is an example of trying to select a QB early on in the draft, when there are more talented (ie., players who are more likely to hit than miss) players available. We shouldn't do that as there are better ways to use our first round pick. With respect to the 2016 draft, I do not believe there will be any true first round talents available when we make our first round pick. If that's the case, then we should not use a first round pick on a QB. A reach is a reach, whether it works out or not. If it works out, then great. But it is illogical given that players available in the beginning of the draft have a greater likelihood of panning out. Why draft a QB who will be available later on in the draft when you could use that pick on a player with greater talent / higher probability of success? You could always take the QB in one of the following rounds. I'm in general agreement, but your point about a reach is questionable. What is a reach? Nobody ever knows where NFL teams generally grade each player. I am certain that even among NFL teams that there are wide disparities in the grade of many players - that is, team A may grade Joe Smith very highly and Team B may grade him considerably lower. It is an oversimplification to think that there is just this list that ranks players in order from 1 to 200 and everyone agrees with it. In addition, let's take the QB example that you used. Let's say that our beloved Bills have QB Billy Bob Bomber rated as the 40th best player in the draft. If the Bills are picking 20th and they desperately need a QB (most important position in NFL), I might argue that they should go ahead and select Mr. Bomber. If they wait until the 2nd, even if they trade up into the top of the 2nd, that guy might not be there. The argument could be made in the reverse too, so there is no clear cut answer. Edited November 9, 2015 by OldTimer1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I don't see any possibility that the Bills are drafting quarterback next year in the first round. Just look at how efficient the kid has been under center. His completion percentage is only worse than Romo and Weeden as starters. 10 TD passes to only 4 INT's. So barring some major meltdown from Tyrod where he doesn't continue to perform at a high level, the Bills have their franchise QB. To boot, the Bills are not in the position to simply draft "best available player". Like most others here on the board, I would think that OL will be a team priority. I'm not sure whether DL or LB's would follow that, but the order is irrelevant. They have more needs to fill, then now drafting a QB that could possibly not have a start int he next 6-8 years. Folly is what I call it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Two things that love treadmills: 1)Hamsters 2)Bills fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 If they don't draft a QB in rounds 1-3, I'll lose it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Connor Cook is the man. Do everything they can to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 The 31st pick will be best spent on OL help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 The 31st pick will be best spent on OL help. So your saying we lose the SB? CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 So your saying we lose the SB? CBF Nope, win. Pats lose a 1st round pick next year 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 If they don't draft a QB in rounds 1-3, I'll lose it. Yep. Even if they think Tyrod is the guy they need to take a QB somewhere. If Tyrod continues to play well I'd maybe stretch 1-3 to 1-4.... but they need to take one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 #1 - OL #2- QB #3- LB Best player available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 Nope, win. Pats lose a 1st round pick next year haha I forgot about that CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I'd put linebacker as #1 priority. You need a quick linebacker with top shelf tackling skills if you're opponents are going to dink and dunk you with the quick short passes. I believe NB will be playing for somebody else in 2016. Maybe we can work a trade with philly for Alonzo.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billstein22 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I'm in general agreement, but your point about a reach is questionable. What is a reach? Nobody ever knows where NFL teams generally grade each player. I am certain that even among NFL teams that there are wide disparities in the grade of many players - that is, team A may grade Joe Smith very highly and Team B may grade him considerably lower. It is an oversimplification to think that there is just this list that ranks players in order from 1 to 200 and everyone agrees with it. In addition, let's take the QB example that you used. Let's say that our beloved Bills have QB Billy Bob Bomber rated as the 40th best player in the draft. If the Bills are picking 20th and they desperately need a QB (most important position in NFL), I might argue that they should go ahead and select Mr. Bomber. If they wait until the 2nd, even if they trade up into the top of the 2nd, that guy might not be there. The argument could be made in the reverse too, so there is no clear cut answer. You're right that it is an oversimplification, but there is a general feel for who is going to be drafted in the first couple of rounds / who will be available much later on in the draft. As for your example, yes I think that would be an appropriate time to "reach" as the QB would no longer be available the next time the Bills are up. There are players who you can safely project as mid-round draft picks (e.g., Grayson, Petty, Hundley in the 2015 draft). Do you really want to use a coveted first round pick on them? It's a question of value-add with respect to a.) the value of your draft pick, b.) the projected value of the player in question, and c.) the opportunity cost of selecting a different player projected as a true first round talent and potentially missing out on the mid-round player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 You're right that it is an oversimplification, but there is a general feel for who is going to be drafted in the first couple of rounds / who will be available much later on in the draft. As for your example, yes I think that would be an appropriate time to "reach" as the QB would no longer be available the next time the Bills are up. There are players who you can safely project as mid-round draft picks (e.g., Grayson, Petty, Hundley in the 2015 draft). Do you really want to use a coveted first round pick on them? It's a question of value-add with respect to a.) the value of your draft pick, b.) the projected value of the player in question, and c.) the opportunity cost of selecting a different player projected as a true first round talent and potentially missing out on the mid-round player. The Bills did not think EJ was going to be there by their second pick in 2013. The grapevine was suggesting that Philly and Jax both had him as the top QB on their boards and were picking before us in round 2. That might mean Philly and Jax played the smoke and mirrors well - but the Bills didn't want to take that chance clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I think we need to draft a couple of LB's, one ILB and one OLB. Second need is still OL and then maybe a wideout. We need a solid backup QB, but I think Tyrod is the man at QB for the foreseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 8 more games is a big sample size for Tyrod. If Tyrod shows some improvment as the next 8 games play out then I don't think they will go QB unless a big time prospect falls to their pick (Which with how overdrafted the QB position can be I don't think will happen). O-line or best player avaiable will likely be the best way to go. However it's still possible Tyrod flounders in the last 8 games, so of course you have to wait and see how he plays in the second half of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 No, I think that would totally be a waste. We need some O-Line help big time!...probably in the first 2 rounds actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsox Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Given how Tyrod is playing, do we still feel that the Bills needs to draft a QB with their round 1 pick in the next draft? CBF 100% YES!!! If Tyrod get's hurt, the team is screwed!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 100% YES!!! If Tyrod get's hurt, the team is screwed!!! So draft a QB first round, who you have to play because you drafted him so high, and sit the QB that is actually playing well? Make sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I think we should trade up for another wide receiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearGuys Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Noooooo way. Tyrod is our guy. We just need OL in the draft. Probably LB as well. A WR that falls could be nice as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 If Taylor keeps making progress , I'am ok with him as the starter. Need help on OL as priority now. If a good QB prospect is avail after 3rd rd take one there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 You draft a QB and give him a opportunity to learn at a slower pace. I love TT but he is not a franchise QB, good story and has played well but he is not a franchise QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 So draft a QB first round, who you have to play because you drafted him so high, and sit the QB that is actually playing well? Make sense to me. If they draft a great prospect in the 1st and can afford to let him sit while developing, that would be perfect. The Bills and fans have never been patient enough to develop a QB the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) So far, no. But I don't think it's a bad idea to do what the Eagles have done with taking a second round pick to be the backup in case of injury. Kolb and Foles were both picked up this way as backups to mobile QBs and both made for ok stopgap starters before getting flipped on trades. Agreed. With Taylor's size and game I think QB is a priority. When I refer to his "game" I mean that running and the threat of him running are big parts of him being successful. Since he doesn't have the size to sustain a lot of punishment the Bills have to have another QB on the roster who can play if/when he gets dinged or badly injured. I think we can all (most of us?) agree that EJ isn't that guy. If they can get their hands on someone who might be better than TT, then that's awesome. If not, get a guy who you think can be a solid, long term backup. But get someone. Somewhere. Make it a priority, but not necessarily in round 1. Edited November 9, 2015 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 IMO, it depends on Free Agency -which comes 1st in the League year. There'll be a couple restructures, I believe, and we'll look for a fast, tall WR and -who knows, maybe Fitz will be available. He is every year and he'd be a fine backup to Tyrod. Im not as down on our OL (assuming we lock up Ritchie & Glenn) as many here are, so BPA wherever we pick is the safest road to travel. Again, just my 2 sense.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 You draft a QB and give him a opportunity to learn at a slower pace. I love TT but he is not a franchise QB, good story and has played well but he is not a franchise QB Why not? I know it's early, but there is no reason, based on how he has performed, to rule out him eventually being a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjjr Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 No Tyrod is proving each week he is the guy going forward. If they could restructure his deal, C.Kaepernick would be a great third guy to add to the mix as a prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I'd say it depends on 2 things. 1) how tyrod does the rest of the season 2) where the bills are drafting At this point there doesn't appear to be a clear cut,game changing first rounder. I don't doubt they they use either a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a QB regardless of the 2 stipulations I mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Take chad kelly in the 6-7th. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Take chad kelly in the 6-7th. LOL Assuming he enters the draft. Only a junior right now. Would probably be smart of him to do so though and get into the league before he has a chance to kill his stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 If they draft a great prospect in the 1st and can afford to let him sit while developing, that would be perfect. The Bills and fans have never been patient enough to develop a QB the right way. They won't use a first round pick for a backup QB. Look around the NFL. No one has a good back up. That's just how it is. You draft a QB and give him a opportunity to learn at a slower pace. I love TT but he is not a franchise QB, good story and has played well but he is not a franchise QB Based on what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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