jethro_tull Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) At this point the Patriots and their scoring point source Tom Brady are literally unstoppable in the conventional football sense. The usual football defensive gameplan is not working. It seems as if teams need to start taking risks or go beyond conventional defensive wisdom. Especially near the red zone, where if teams don't do something differently he / they are going to score anyway. Should teams (the Bills) concede that they are going to score and take some unconventional risks to try and stop them? Example- rush 9 and cover 2, one guy covering Gronkowski and one guy covering Edeleman? Something different? Edited October 31, 2015 by jethro_tull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 All out blitz every play until you hurt Brady. That's the only way you're going to so him is to injure him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Sometimes I wonder why I even visit this board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) Play 2 minute hurry up offense the entire game.  Because you NEED a TD on almost every drive to beat them. You might have the luxury of one or two punts. Any more and you might as well not even take the field.  And no FGs. 3's are worthless. You need lots of 7's. Maybe even 8s  The problem is that every team thinks they can hold them down. The Jets held them to 16 going into the 4th quarter. They finished with 30.  They are GOING to get to 30, so you have to as well. Thinking otherwise is just a doomed proposition. Edited October 31, 2015 by TheFunPolice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Defensive coordinators who get paid great money over the last 15 years can't figure It out, I don't think anything new is going to work. The only way you have a chance is if you have pass rush by rushing 3 or 4 guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 The only team that ever stopped them was the Giants twice in the SB. Â It was so odd both times, because suddenly that offense that could not be stopped scored in the teens. But it was just about the only time in several years anyone kept them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 Sometimes I wonder why I even visit this board If you can't match them on talent, game plan and execution aren't you giving up (in effect) unless you at least try something out of the box to stop them? Hoping for "any given Sunday" doesn't get it done either. They are going to be undefeated unless some team finds a different way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Outscore them. That is the only way. Â It's a race to 35 with them. You'd better be prepared to think that way. Â They blow everyone out anyway, so you've got nothing to lose doing something exotic and crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 My uneducated opinion is mostly rushing 4, and focus on cutting off passing lanes and getting your hands up, and cutting off quick crossing routes/picks. It'd take a major amount of discipline, essentially the idea is to get your hand on the ball as much as possible to hopefully cause some turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 running game. big running game. We have the most rush yards on them this year with 160 yards and had the ball with a shot to tie it. We need to not turn the ball over as well. Get karlos, shady, sammy and tt back and we have a shot at them if we protect the ball and run for 175 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Pound the snot out of their receivers at the los and any other opportunity. Run right into the pick and take out both guys. Rush 4 and try to smack Brady around and rattle him keeping the quick passes away. Other than that score on every possession you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) All out blitz every play until you hurt Brady. That's the only way you're going to so him is to injure him.And since they embrace a win at all costs approach, seems like they'd respect the tactic... I'm in favor of it The only team that ever stopped them was the Giants twice in the SB. Â It was so odd both times, because suddenly that offense that could not be stopped scored in the teens. But it was just about the only time in several years anyone kept them down. I'd say the Ravens have matched up ok too. *edit But I'd be wrong they are 7-1 v Ravens... For some reason I thought it was better than that At this point the Patriots and their scoring point source Tom Brady are literally unstoppable in the conventional football sense. The usual football defensive gameplan is not working. It seems as if teams need to start taking risks or go beyond conventional defensive wisdom. Especially near the red zone, where if teams don't do something differently he / they are going to score anyway. Should teams (the Bills) concede that they are going to score and take some unconventional risks to try and stop them? Example- rush 9 and cover 2, one guy covering Gronkowski and one guy covering Edeleman? Something different? I think you come up, make him beat you over the top and drop LBs into the crossers lanes like beli himself did vs the k-gun Edited October 31, 2015 by over 20 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) Run the ball - eat clock - score  Cover Gronk with 1 guy  Rush Marcia without blitzing…get in those lanes and get the hands up. lay wood whenever possible  Jam those little punk smurf WR's  Don't turn the ball over  Don't take penalties  Seems easy right? Edited October 31, 2015 by filthymcnasty08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Sweep the leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasBillsFan1 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Then there was the Wild Cat, from the Dolphins. I think that was when Bill Parcells was in charge of Miami. That system totally flustered the Pats. I recall watching Belichick on the sidelines looking bewildered and he was not able to adjust until it was too late. That scheme kept the Pats off the field and the Dolphins scoring. Not sure if Fins swept that season but at least split. Â But I think your premise is right ... someone needs to do something out of the box in hopes of winning against this uber talented team. Â Otherwise, you better hope the Pats O-line has a bad day and the opponent can penetrate up the middle ... ala Giants and Baltimore in years past. Even then, Brady is on a mission and will still pick you apart with multiple weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I can't see why teams wouldn't take the "let him catch it, then pound him" approach. They will likely score anyway, so why not play coverage for the hit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 The Giants made the blueprint. No one executes like they did. Â Bills are at even a bigger disadvantage IMO because of their HC. With the Jets & now with the Bills He trash talks ( to an extent). Pisses them off. The hoodie*** knows his style. And is the polar opposite. praises the opponent. Keeps his trap shut. i think he spends a little extra preparation when he playes a Ryan coached team. And rubs it in on the field. The pats**'vs. Bills on MNF? That might get real ugly. Â Someone please beat these guys just once!!!! A 19-0 for those cheating ****ards will be way too much To handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 the seahawks also had success and had that game in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) Pressure up the middle, blizting safeties if you have to. And man, press coverage on all the receivers. You absolutely have to disrupt the timing of the offense. Â Laying back in a zone is stupid. Playing 7-10yds off the receivers to tackle after the quick catch is stupid. Rushing 3-4 all game and no pressure is stupid. Yes, you'll give up big plays blitzing Brady, but that's the only way to get him to make a mistake. And you're gonna get the ticky tack BS calls... so make them count! Lay Brady and that eddleman out every chance you get. Â Offensively, go no huddle the entire game and don't let them substitute. And if you're in 4th and short... Go for it. You need TDs, not field position. Â edit: fake calls on the sideline into the helmet and from the booth, the wristband has the plays listed on it with a number, change the wristband/numbers with each quarter, fake game plans in the locker room, and every other means possible to circumvent their cheating Edited October 31, 2015 by Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Rush 3 and drop 8. Bring all three from the same side or straight up the middle. Â And then mix in some all out blitzes. Not 5 guys. Bring six - one in every gap. Then play man coverage with no safety. Â It's the only way to stop them. You can not simply play nickel and dime defenses. Â And you probably need to play a little dirty. Get a few extra shots to Gronk, Edelman, and maybe Lucifer himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Stack the defense close to the line. Bump the receivers. Don't worry about the pass rush. Â That offense is predicated on Brady's sub-2-second release. So forget blitzing - if you can't get there in 2 seconds, it won't matter. So rush 4, mug the receivers at the line, and put everyone else in the passing lanes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Sometimes I wonder why I even visit this board This looks to be a very interesting discussion, sorry you're missing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Sweep the leg. Â LOL! U got a problem with that?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallskiWallski83 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 The tried and true way of beating any quarterback, including brady, is to collapse the pocket around him and make him uncomfortable stepping into throws. Brady is the best whos ever played the game, but even he can start making inaccurate throws when hes forced to move around. Its simple reallySitting back and playing coverage against brady is suicide by small cuts. Get him off his rhythm and you have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Outscore them. That is the only way. Â It's a race to 35 with them. You'd better be prepared to think that way. Â They blow everyone out anyway, so you've got nothing to lose doing something exotic and crazy. As long as you game plan for it you play with 4 downs from your own 40 & out. Then you play call based on that thought. Risky? Sure, but, less risky than fake punts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I can't see why teams wouldn't take the "let him catch it, then pound him" approach. They will likely score anyway, so why not play coverage for the hit? I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 They run a ton of short passes. Play them tough at the line. Nobody gets a free release. Gronk gets pretty much held at the line with 2 linebackers (like pats did to Gonzalez a couple years ago). Concentrate pressure up the middle. Mix in some corner blitzes if you think you can get in unblocked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 overload the middle to force them to keep a back in to help on our 2 DTs and occasional A gap blitzes. force their OTs to engage our wide DE and LB in 1:1 matchup. this should force them to flex a 2nd TE to help out. play press cover on inside shoulder of wideouts to force outside release. use non-blitzing LB and DBs to take away inside slants. Â the idea is to get in Brady's face and don't let him climb the pocket when being flanked. bring pressure while taking away his short options. get to him early and often and give him no time to wait on mid to long routes. the key is taking away inside routes and making him throw to men running away from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Sweep the leg. excellent JR. Just super well done !! Â I can't see why teams wouldn't take the "let him catch it, then pound him" approach. They will likely score anyway, so why not play coverage for the hit? you meant the "bully" approach? absolutely. Â disrupting the quick timing routes with press. and geez guys recognize the passing lanes and get the hands up. i have said that a million times. screw with his lines of sight if you aint gettin home. and hit them. you cant beat brady so you have to beat the players around him. overload the middle to force them to keep a back in to help on our 2 DTs and occasional A gap blitzes. force their OTs to engage our wide DE and LB in 1:1 matchup. this should force them to flex a 2nd TE to help out. play press cover on inside shoulder of wideouts to force outside release. use non-blitzing LB and DBs to take away inside slants. Â the idea is to get in Brady's face and don't let him climb the pocket when being flanked. bring pressure while taking away his short options. get to him early and often and give him no time to wait on mid to long routes. the key is taking away inside routes and making him throw to men running away from him. Have you spoken with Dennis and Rex yet? You should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 A dash of Polonium 210 in his water bottle would do the trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Stack the defense close to the line. Bump the receivers. Don't worry about the pass rush. Â That offense is predicated on Brady's sub-2-second release. So forget blitzing - if you can't get there in 2 seconds, it won't matter. So rush 4, mug the receivers at the line, and put everyone else in the passing lanes. I like this approach as well. Only difference is that I would mix in the occasional blitz in the A gaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 If he throws it in 1 second then a pass rush does no good. Have 2 DL jump up and bat the ball down. Corners play man up like it's the goal line and don't let the receiver release. Safeties play where the corners usually would and provide secondary coverage. 8 db's, 2 DL, 1 MLB. Let what's his name the RB beat you but don't let Brady. Dare them to run the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroi Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 All the owners team up to boycott the Pats. Just don't show up to the game. Â Give em their perfect season with themselves. Â During offseason, move them to LA forevermore banished. Wipe all records of the Pats and ban Bill and Tom from the Hall. Â Â Â Imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 At this point the Patriots and their scoring point source Tom Brady are literally unstoppable in the conventional football sense. The usual football defensive gameplan is not working. It seems as if teams need to start taking risks or go beyond conventional defensive wisdom. Especially near the red zone, where if teams don't do something differently he / they are going to score anyway. Should teams (the Bills) concede that they are going to score and take some unconventional risks to try and stop them? Example- rush 9 and cover 2, one guy covering Gronkowski and one guy covering Edeleman? Something different? Â They need to jam up the WRs hard at the line and double Gronk and pressure up the middle. Also running the ball a lot will keep him of the field. Pressure up the middle, blizting safeties if you have to. And man, press coverage on all the receivers. You absolutely have to disrupt the timing of the offense. Â Laying back in a zone is stupid. Playing 7-10yds off the receivers to tackle after the quick catch is stupid. Rushing 3-4 all game and no pressure is stupid. Yes, you'll give up big plays blitzing Brady, but that's the only way to get him to make a mistake. And you're gonna get the ticky tack BS calls... so make them count! Lay Brady and that eddleman out every chance you get. Â Offensively, go no huddle the entire game and don't let them substitute. And if you're in 4th and short... Go for it. You need TDs, not field position. Â edit: fake calls on the sideline into the helmet and from the booth, the wristband has the plays listed on it with a number, change the wristband/numbers with each quarter, fake game plans in the locker room, and every other means possible to circumvent their cheating :worthy: Sweep the leg. Â ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 A dash of Polonium 210 in his water bottle would do the trick. Â Not even funny. That's a horrible way to go. Â Try cyanide, belladonna, or aconite. Much less cruel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Pound the snot out of their receivers at the los and any other opportunity. Run right into the pick and take out both guys. Rush 4 and try to smack Brady around and rattle him keeping the quick passes away. Other than that score on every possession you get. I approve. Someone needs wipe that smirk off of Edelman's face... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 Stack the defense close to the line. Bump the receivers. Don't worry about the pass rush. That offense is predicated on Brady's sub-2-second release. So forget blitzing - if you can't get there in 2 seconds, it won't matter. So rush 4, mug the receivers at the line, and put everyone else in the passing lanes. exactly. two seconds is all the defense has. for the rusher to get to brady he must get behind the line untouched with a clear line of sight. rushing 9 should accomplsh this, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clippers of Nfl Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 exactly. two seconds is all the defense has. for the rusher to get to brady he must get behind the line untouched with a clear line of sight. rushing 9 should accomplsh this, no? Dude. I think no one wants to make you feel bad. Â If you rush 9 and they have a 4 wr set, you will have 2 wr open. If Brady is in shotgun, what do you think he will do. You cant rush 9 when 2 wrs are wide open... C'mon man.. Â I agree with a new strategy. But yours stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 exactly. two seconds is all the defense has. for the rusher to get to brady he must get behind the line untouched with a clear line of sight. rushing 9 should accomplsh this, no? If no one can get off the line and the safeties are disciplined? Might be worth a look. or the linebackers recognize better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tzQVmZDXS4w My suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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