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At this point the Patriots and their scoring point source Tom Brady are literally unstoppable in the conventional football sense. The usual football defensive gameplan is not working. It seems as if teams need to start taking risks or go beyond conventional defensive wisdom. Especially near the red zone, where if teams don't do something differently he / they are going to score anyway.

Should teams (the Bills) concede that they are going to score and take some unconventional risks to try and stop them?

Example- rush 9 and cover 2, one guy covering Gronkowski and one guy covering Edeleman? Something different?

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Play 2 minute hurry up offense the entire game.

 

Because you NEED a TD on almost every drive to beat them. You might have the luxury of one or two punts. Any more and you might as well not even take the field.

 

And no FGs. 3's are worthless. You need lots of 7's. Maybe even 8s

 

The problem is that every team thinks they can hold them down. The Jets held them to 16 going into the 4th quarter. They finished with 30.

 

They are GOING to get to 30, so you have to as well. Thinking otherwise is just a doomed proposition.

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Sometimes I wonder why I even visit this board

If you can't match them on talent, game plan and execution aren't you giving up (in effect) unless you at least try something out of the box to stop them?

Hoping for "any given Sunday" doesn't get it done either. They are going to be undefeated unless some team finds a different way.

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My uneducated opinion is mostly rushing 4, and focus on cutting off passing lanes and getting your hands up, and cutting off quick crossing routes/picks. It'd take a major amount of discipline, essentially the idea is to get your hand on the ball as much as possible to hopefully cause some turnovers.

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running game. big running game. We have the most rush yards on them this year with 160 yards and had the ball with a shot to tie it. We need to not turn the ball over as well. Get karlos, shady, sammy and tt back and we have a shot at them if we protect the ball and run for 175 yards.

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All out blitz every play until you hurt Brady. That's the only way you're going to so him is to injure him.

And since they embrace a win at all costs approach, seems like they'd respect the tactic... I'm in favor of it

The only team that ever stopped them was the Giants twice in the SB.

 

It was so odd both times, because suddenly that offense that could not be stopped scored in the teens. But it was just about the only time in several years anyone kept them down.

I'd say the Ravens have matched up ok too. *edit But I'd be wrong they are 7-1 v Ravens... For some reason I thought it was better than that

At this point the Patriots and their scoring point source Tom Brady are literally unstoppable in the conventional football sense. The usual football defensive gameplan is not working. It seems as if teams need to start taking risks or go beyond conventional defensive wisdom. Especially near the red zone, where if teams don't do something differently he / they are going to score anyway.

Should teams (the Bills) concede that they are going to score and take some unconventional risks to try and stop them?

Example- rush 9 and cover 2, one guy covering Gronkowski and one guy covering Edeleman? Something different?

I think you come up, make him beat you over the top and drop LBs into the crossers lanes like beli himself did vs the k-gun

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Run the ball - eat clock - score

 

Cover Gronk with 1 guy

 

Rush Marcia without blitzing…get in those lanes and get the hands up. lay wood whenever possible

 

Jam those little punk smurf WR's

 

Don't turn the ball over

 

Don't take penalties

 

Seems easy right? :censored::censored::censored:

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Then there was the Wild Cat, from the Dolphins. I think that was when Bill Parcells was in charge of Miami.

That system totally flustered the Pats. I recall watching Belichick on the sidelines looking bewildered and he was not able to adjust until it was too late.

That scheme kept the Pats off the field and the Dolphins scoring. Not sure if Fins swept that season but at least split.

 

But I think your premise is right ... someone needs to do something out of the box in hopes of winning against this uber talented team.

 

Otherwise, you better hope the Pats O-line has a bad day and the opponent can penetrate up the middle ... ala Giants and Baltimore in years past. Even then, Brady is on a mission and will still pick you apart with multiple weapons.

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The Giants made the blueprint. No one executes like they did.

 

Bills are at even a bigger disadvantage IMO because of their HC. With the Jets & now with the Bills

He trash talks ( to an extent). Pisses them off. The hoodie*** knows his style. And is the polar opposite. praises the opponent.

Keeps his trap shut. i think he spends a little extra preparation when he playes a Ryan coached team.

And rubs it in on the field. The pats**'vs. Bills on MNF? That might get real ugly.

 

Someone please beat these guys just once!!!! A 19-0 for those cheating ****ards will be way too much

To handle.

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Pressure up the middle, blizting safeties if you have to. And man, press coverage on all the receivers. You absolutely have to disrupt the timing of the offense.

 

Laying back in a zone is stupid. Playing 7-10yds off the receivers to tackle after the quick catch is stupid. Rushing 3-4 all game and no pressure is stupid. Yes, you'll give up big plays blitzing Brady, but that's the only way to get him to make a mistake. And you're gonna get the ticky tack BS calls... so make them count! Lay Brady and that eddleman out every chance you get.

 

Offensively, go no huddle the entire game and don't let them substitute. And if you're in 4th and short... Go for it. You need TDs, not field position.

 

edit: fake calls on the sideline into the helmet and from the booth, the wristband has the plays listed on it with a number, change the wristband/numbers with each quarter, fake game plans in the locker room, and every other means possible to circumvent their cheating

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Rush 3 and drop 8. Bring all three from the same side or straight up the middle.

 

And then mix in some all out blitzes. Not 5 guys. Bring six - one in every gap. Then play man coverage with no safety.

 

It's the only way to stop them. You can not simply play nickel and dime defenses.

 

And you probably need to play a little dirty. Get a few extra shots to Gronk, Edelman, and maybe Lucifer himself.

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Stack the defense close to the line. Bump the receivers. Don't worry about the pass rush.

 

That offense is predicated on Brady's sub-2-second release. So forget blitzing - if you can't get there in 2 seconds, it won't matter. So rush 4, mug the receivers at the line, and put everyone else in the passing lanes.

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The tried and true way of beating any quarterback, including brady, is to collapse the pocket around him and make him uncomfortable stepping into throws. Brady is the best whos ever played the game, but even he can start making inaccurate throws when hes forced to move around. Its simple really


Sitting back and playing coverage against brady is suicide by small cuts. Get him off his rhythm and you have a chance.

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Outscore them. That is the only way.

 

It's a race to 35 with them. You'd better be prepared to think that way.

 

They blow everyone out anyway, so you've got nothing to lose doing something exotic and crazy.

As long as you game plan for it you play with 4 downs from your own 40 & out. Then you play call based on that thought. Risky? Sure, but, less risky than fake punts.

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overload the middle to force them to keep a back in to help on our 2 DTs and occasional A gap blitzes. force their OTs to engage our wide DE and LB in 1:1 matchup. this should force them to flex a 2nd TE to help out. play press cover on inside shoulder of wideouts to force outside release. use non-blitzing LB and DBs to take away inside slants.

 

the idea is to get in Brady's face and don't let him climb the pocket when being flanked. bring pressure while taking away his short options. get to him early and often and give him no time to wait on mid to long routes. the key is taking away inside routes and making him throw to men running away from him.

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Sweep the leg.

excellent JR. Just super well done !!

 

I can't see why teams wouldn't take the "let him catch it, then pound him" approach. They will likely score anyway, so why not play coverage for the hit?

you meant the "bully" approach? absolutely.

 

disrupting the quick timing routes with press. and geez guys recognize the passing lanes and get the hands up. i have said that a million times. screw with his lines of sight if you aint gettin home.

and hit them.

you cant beat brady so you have to beat the players around him.

overload the middle to force them to keep a back in to help on our 2 DTs and occasional A gap blitzes. force their OTs to engage our wide DE and LB in 1:1 matchup. this should force them to flex a 2nd TE to help out. play press cover on inside shoulder of wideouts to force outside release. use non-blitzing LB and DBs to take away inside slants.

 

the idea is to get in Brady's face and don't let him climb the pocket when being flanked. bring pressure while taking away his short options. get to him early and often and give him no time to wait on mid to long routes. the key is taking away inside routes and making him throw to men running away from him.

Have you spoken with Dennis and Rex yet?

You should.

:thumbsup:

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Stack the defense close to the line. Bump the receivers. Don't worry about the pass rush.

 

That offense is predicated on Brady's sub-2-second release. So forget blitzing - if you can't get there in 2 seconds, it won't matter. So rush 4, mug the receivers at the line, and put everyone else in the passing lanes.

I like this approach as well. Only difference is that I would mix in the occasional blitz in the A gaps

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If he throws it in 1 second then a pass rush does no good. Have 2 DL jump up and bat the ball down. Corners play man up like it's the goal line and don't let the receiver release. Safeties play where the corners usually would and provide secondary coverage. 8 db's, 2 DL, 1 MLB. Let what's his name the RB beat you but don't let Brady. Dare them to run the ball

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All the owners team up to boycott the Pats. Just don't show up to the game.

 

Give em their perfect season with themselves.

 

During offseason, move them to LA forevermore banished. Wipe all records of the Pats and ban Bill and Tom from the Hall.

 

 

 

Imo

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At this point the Patriots and their scoring point source Tom Brady are literally unstoppable in the conventional football sense. The usual football defensive gameplan is not working. It seems as if teams need to start taking risks or go beyond conventional defensive wisdom. Especially near the red zone, where if teams don't do something differently he / they are going to score anyway.

Should teams (the Bills) concede that they are going to score and take some unconventional risks to try and stop them?

Example- rush 9 and cover 2, one guy covering Gronkowski and one guy covering Edeleman? Something different?

 

They need to jam up the WRs hard at the line and double Gronk and pressure up the middle. Also running the ball a lot will keep him of the field.

Pressure up the middle, blizting safeties if you have to. And man, press coverage on all the receivers. You absolutely have to disrupt the timing of the offense.

 

Laying back in a zone is stupid. Playing 7-10yds off the receivers to tackle after the quick catch is stupid. Rushing 3-4 all game and no pressure is stupid. Yes, you'll give up big plays blitzing Brady, but that's the only way to get him to make a mistake. And you're gonna get the ticky tack BS calls... so make them count! Lay Brady and that eddleman out every chance you get.

 

Offensively, go no huddle the entire game and don't let them substitute. And if you're in 4th and short... Go for it. You need TDs, not field position.

 

edit: fake calls on the sideline into the helmet and from the booth, the wristband has the plays listed on it with a number, change the wristband/numbers with each quarter, fake game plans in the locker room, and every other means possible to circumvent their cheating

:worthy::worthy: :worthy:

Sweep the leg.

 

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Pound the snot out of their receivers at the los and any other opportunity. Run right into the pick and take out both guys. Rush 4 and try to smack Brady around and rattle him keeping the quick passes away. Other than that score on every possession you get.

I approve. Someone needs wipe that smirk off of Edelman's face...

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Stack the defense close to the line. Bump the receivers. Don't worry about the pass rush.

That offense is predicated on Brady's sub-2-second release. So forget blitzing - if you can't get there in 2 seconds, it won't matter. So rush 4, mug the receivers at the line, and put everyone else in the passing lanes.

exactly. two seconds is all the defense has. for the rusher to get to brady he must get behind the line untouched with a clear line of sight. rushing 9 should accomplsh this, no?
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exactly. two seconds is all the defense has. for the rusher to get to brady he must get behind the line untouched with a clear line of sight. rushing 9 should accomplsh this, no?

Dude. I think no one wants to make you feel bad.

 

If you rush 9 and they have a 4 wr set, you will have 2 wr open. If Brady is in shotgun, what do you think he will do. You cant rush 9 when 2 wrs are wide open... C'mon man..

 

I agree with a new strategy. But yours stinks.

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exactly. two seconds is all the defense has. for the rusher to get to brady he must get behind the line untouched with a clear line of sight. rushing 9 should accomplsh this, no?

If no one can get off the line and the safeties are disciplined? Might be worth a look.

or the linebackers recognize better.

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