jeffismagic Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 On one hand I'm furious. IF anyone has been the brunt of this garbage the most.... it's us. I'd also be really mad if I were manning or the colts. I'm also frustrated that wilson, coaches, and Co kind of stood idly and allowed this to happen I'm our faces. On the other hand, I knew all this was happening and just felt like we were stuck in an eternal stacked deck for the patriots. The way the league and kraft massaged the story and evidence really made being a fan hopeless. The league came at them hard this time though and I truly believe kraft has been put on notice. Why is this ernie adams still allowed to work with the team though? I'd love to see how good Belichick was at coaching without secret agent Adams talking to him all game on his headset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I posted this a few weeks ago: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/179494-brady-4-game-suspension-upheld;-will-go-to-court/page-114?do=findComment&comment=3637017 And I assure you that the end of the Patriots "cheating" is upon us. Change is coming. Roger's final days draw near, and a young senator with a las vegas bug in his ear looking to make a name for himself might want to open a full investigation into the league's handling of the Patriots, and begin the (as of now) taboo discussion of vacating titles for professional sports teams. Owners know that the fans are becoming restless. Simple metrics can be run on the top 5 message board for each team for keywords like "sham" "wwe" "fraud", etc. etc. The league knows which way the wind blows, and it's clear as day: 31/32 fanbases are mad as hell at the Patriots, and think the league is a farce. There is way, way... way too much money involved in this for you to think that the messages we're being fed aren't designed to shape our perceptions. I have seen some on here mention comment sections, as if "the people aren't getting it". Please. Profootballtalk is an arm of whom? NBC Sports, which also owns the rights to Sunday Night Football, which is how big of an account? Billions, if I recall? I wonder if they might have a few "account managers" deciding which comments get the top few spots. Everyone is in absolute damage control in the league marketing division right now, and people are getting testy. Dude. now thats a post Somewhat related re PFT: For reasons I can only guess, PFT actively has removed comments that I have made about deflategate and PFT's coverage of deflategate. This was brought up a few weeks back in another thread, and apparently these deletions are in no way unique to me. In this regard, my comments have not crossed the line in terms of language. For example, just today, PFT removed the following comment: "It is odd that PFT would complain about ESPN not including parts of the Pats' statement when: PFT actively deletes comments that take issue with the Pats or PFT's reporting." I found it very odd that Florio or the guy that works for him would give two you know whats about what I post. Draw your own conclusions. On the other hand, there appears to be an army of Pats' apologists that comment on that site. Additionally, PFT seems to draw every inference in favor of the Pats and Brady whenever there has been news about deflategate over the past few months. Maybe that will change now that ESPN and SI have written extensive pieces just today about the Pats and the "Patriot Way." PffT is very manipulative with the message. Florio is case in point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Welcome to America. How many bankers went to prison? They just pay a small fine and keep going. In fact, Ernie Adams brought this Wall Street culture to the Patriots as he seems to be the man behind all this. Yeah, it's the banking industry's fault. Let's blame al Qaeda too, while we're at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Yeah, it's the banking industry's fault. Let's blame al Qaeda too, while we're at it. well if you like to generalize , sure. The checks and balances are in question. I dont assume human nature forces us to find the advantage regardless. Thats a culture. It's a long tenured one going back to day two. But it's an awful way to abuse the survival instinct. Cheating lying stealing and disrespecting others property. Manipulating others to your own end ? winning and profit are becoming linked as reasonable competition regardless of the methods I mean if it is true. edit removed an excessive d Edited September 9, 2015 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I'd love to see how good Belichick was at coaching without secret agent Adams talking to him all game on his headset. He wasn't that good in Cleveland... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 He wasn't that good in Cleveland... adams was with him in Cleveland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 adams was with him in Cleveland it was the beginning of the process so needed time to tune it. The fumble stats, the whispers of other frequencies to Brady's helmet all scream cheating and these bastards get away with it. It's like WWE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 it was the beginning of the process so needed time to tune it. The fumble stats, the whispers of other frequencies to Brady's helmet all scream cheating and these bastards get away with it. It's like WWE Was it the beginning? or did he bring it from the Giants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 it was the beginning of the process so needed time to tune it. The fumble stats, the whispers of other frequencies to Brady's helmet all scream cheating and these bastards get away with it. It's like WWE I thought the pats** or some of them don't think to highly of his "skills" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 So isn't the documentary airing tomorrow night about the Pats 2014 season? "Do your job" or whatever with all access behind the scenes ? Ernie Adams is reportedly interviewed. Interesting timing on the stories. Ratings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bftvocal70 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Kinda gives new meaning to peter griffin and the "shapoopey song" maybe he knew something we did not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Yeah, it's the banking industry's fault. Let's blame al Qaeda too, while we're at it. Have you been asleep for the last decade? There has been a white collar crime wave where banks are rigging trillion dollar markets, laundering drug money, and since you brought it up, allowing allowing money to go to terrorists. "In a year-long investigation, the Subcommittee found that HSBC violated several rules, exposing the U.S. financial system to “a wide array of money laundering, drug trafficking, and terrorist financing.” According to the report, HSBC’s Mexican affiliate channeled $7 billion into the U.S. between 2007 and 2008 which possibly included “proceeds from illegal drug sales in the United States.” http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2012/07/16/hsbc-helped-terrorists-iran-mexican-drug-cartels-launder-money-senate-report-says/ But regardless, this is a football forum and the point of my post that you ignored was that Ernie Adams came from this culture of cheating and is now doing that for the Patriots. That culture is now the Patriots culture and explains why they cheat. It's natural and accepted and they assume that if they get caught they will just get a wrist slap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemedic Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I so hope the bully does what bullies do come week two...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Have you been asleep for the last decade? There has been a white collar crime wave where banks are rigging trillion dollar markets, laundering drug money, and since you brought it up, allowing allowing money to go to terrorists. "In a year-long investigation, the Subcommittee found that HSBC violated several rules, exposing the U.S. financial system to “a wide array of money laundering, drug trafficking, and terrorist financing.” According to the report, HSBC’s Mexican affiliate channeled $7 billion into the U.S. between 2007 and 2008 which possibly included “proceeds from illegal drug sales in the United States.” http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2012/07/16/hsbc-helped-terrorists-iran-mexican-drug-cartels-launder-money-senate-report-says/ But regardless, this is a football forum and the point of my post that you ignored was that Ernie Adams came from this culture of cheating and is now doing that for the Patriots. That culture is now the Patriots culture and explains why they cheat. It's natural and accepted and they assume that if they get caught they will just get a wrist slap. 1) Take it to PPP if you want to be an idiot. 2) People on PPP - including myself - know vastly more about it than you do. 3) The financial industry did not cause the Patriots to cheat, you moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 1) Take it to PPP if you want to be an idiot. 2) People on PPP - including myself - know vastly more about it than you do. 3) The financial industry did not cause the Patriots to cheat, you moron. You don't know how to read posts, work on your reading comprehension before you call another poster a moron. My point was that Ernie Adams came from a culture of cheating. Relax, you're going to strain your heart and the games haven't started yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 1) Take it to PPP if you want to be an idiot. 2) People on PPP - including myself - know vastly more about it than you do. 3) The financial industry did not cause the Patriots to cheat, you moron. Tom - He may have a point. Adams was involved in the municipal bonds market in the late 80s-early 90s, and there was some built in corruption (i.e., chances to cheat). Fyi - http://www.nytimes.com/1993/09/18/news/investing-for-municipal-bonds-scandals-spur-change.html . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 The man behind the curtain helps https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/29/mysterious-ernie-adams-patriots-man-behind-curtain/IrNCfgrysUphGpkcIjEaBL/story.html I used email cheaters@patriots.com to read the article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Patriots fans are acting like this is a conspiracy between the NFL, ESPN, and SI. They are pretending that the story is filled with made up stories. Consider this for a moment. The cameramen, allegedly, were in disguise (hiding the fact that they worked for the Patriots). I think this bothered me the most. First, this shows that the Pats knew that it was against the rules. Why hide what you're doing if everything is copacetic? There is no need to hide who you are if you're following the rules. Second, if this were false information the Pats could lose revenue due to negative publicity and would seem to have grounds to sue for libel. If this is all false, the Pats would sue. Do you think Kraft wouldn't sue (or at least threaten to sue)? They cheated. They know they cheated. Their fans know they cheated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 First, it makes me physically ill to think the scumbag franchise cheated all those years and were set up to be the 'model' franchise due to their illegitimate 'success' - there is absolutely no doubt in my mind they never would have won anything (no genius Bellicheat, no GOAT Brady) without the systemic cheating in multiple different forms that existed for years. The thing that I think is most crazy in all of this, is the line Goodell has been forced to walk now. After selling his soul to the devil and covering up the full extent of Spygate, he's in the unbelievable position now to be at war with the Cheatriots, while having the knowledge to blow the lid off of the full(er) extent of the pervasive cheating they did for all those years, but can't because then the league is exposed as being a complete sham, and he is complicit. It's insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I think it all started w/technology and the cutting of the headset cord and going wireless. Mix that in w/the green dot on helmets. The game needs to get back to basics and lose the technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I have seen some on here mention comment sections, as if "the people aren't getting it". Please. Profootballtalk is an arm of whom? NBC Sports, which also owns the rights to Sunday Night Football, which is how big of an account? Billions, if I recall? I wonder if they might have a few "account managers" deciding which comments get the top few spots. Everyone is in absolute damage control in the league marketing division right now, and people are getting testy. Thank you for pointing this out. Web brigades leaving fake comments, or "astroturfing" (fake "grassroots," get it?) to direct conversation is absolutely a real phenomenon in social media. Paid shills will comment on and up-vote all manner of subjects, depending on who is doing the paying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 First, it makes me physically ill to think the scumbag franchise cheated all those years and were set up to be the 'model' franchise due to their illegitimate 'success' - there is absolutely no doubt in my mind they never would have won anything (no genius Bellicheat, no GOAT Brady) without the systemic cheating in multiple different forms that existed for years. The thing that I think is most crazy in all of this, is the line Goodell has been forced to walk now. After selling his soul to the devil and covering up the full extent of Spygate, he's in the unbelievable position now to be at war with the Cheatriots, while having the knowledge to blow the lid off of the full(er) extent of the pervasive cheating they did for all those years, but can't because then the league is exposed as being a complete sham, and he is complicit. It's insane. This^ Thank you for pointing this out. Web brigades leaving fake comments, or "astroturfing" (fake "grassroots," get it?) to direct conversation is absolutely a real phenomenon in social media. Paid shills will comment on and up-vote all manner of subjects, depending on who is doing the paying. Sickening, isn't it! :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 And here comes Florio... ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 12m12 minutes ago Mike Martz's statement about the Patriots was published in 2008, and it hasn't changed since then http://wp.me/p14QSB-9QzL "...But the Martz statement posted Tuesday by ESPN.com is identical to the statement he issued in May 2008. The full text was copied and pasted from an article by Mike Reiss (then of the Boston Globe; the link to his story is now dead) to the website PatsFan.com, and portions of it appeared in a May 2008 story from the Associated Press....Maybe ESPN will make the change now. Right after it changes the story that 11 of 12 Patriots footballs were two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum." Of course he goes to Patsfan.com... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I don't know how Belichick still has a job. Sorry. Mmmm, maybe 'cuz his boss Kraft is one of thes "Just Win, Baby!" anything is justified if you do, kind of guys? The sad thing is, Belicheat*** may be one of the greatest coaches of all time. But once 3 types of cheating are uncovered (signal videotaping, stealing play sheets from locker rooms, having opponents radios go dead on critical plays), it leaves unanswered what kind of cheating was just never caught or uncovered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 And here comes Florio... ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 12m12 minutes ago Mike Martz's statement about the Patriots was published in 2008, and it hasn't changed since then http://wp.me/p14QSB-9QzL "...But the Martz statement posted Tuesday by ESPN.com is identical to the statement he issued in May 2008. The full text was copied and pasted from an article by Mike Reiss (then of the Boston Globe; the link to his story is now dead) to the website PatsFan.com, and portions of it appeared in a May 2008 story from the Associated Press....Maybe ESPN will make the change now. Right after it changes the story that 11 of 12 Patriots footballs were two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum." Of course he goes to Patsfan.com... I am beginning to think Florio also may have been "mingling" with Robert Kraft at that party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmsmystic Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Just watched the first 10 minutes of Inside the NFL and it was all about this crap with the Patriots. Turn on the NFL network and it's Willie Mcginnist defending them. Turn on ESPN and it's Bruschi walking on water. Every damn Total Access all summer had a reporter in New York yacking about this. Every. Single. Show. I am tired of hearing about these cheating punks and hope we beat them silly this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I am beginning to think Florio also may have been "mingling" with Robert Kraft at that party. Fu&^ what a homer he is... Just watched the first 10 minutes of Inside the NFL and it was all about this crap with the Patriots. Turn on the NFL network and it's Willie Mcginnist defending them. Turn on ESPN and it's Bruschi walking on water. Every damn Total Access all summer had a reporter in New York yacking about this. Every. Single. Show. I am tired of hearing about these cheating punks and hope we beat them silly this year Of Course they will defend them..Their careers are all tainted too; it doesn't help them seeing that they are taints anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 You do realize Buffalo will be the first road game for the stinking cheaters. How we greet these turds in helmets will be news on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 You do realize Buffalo will be the first road game for the stinking cheaters. How we greet these turds in helmets will be news on Monday. I'm not sure we've done enough to overcome the Belichek*** Tub of Entrails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I said from day one deflate gate had nothing to do with air pressure. It was about the cover up of Spygate and burning the tapes. Roger bailed them out once and they cheated again. I'm not the only one to have this thought but I posted it several times. Roger is complicit in the cover-up with his buddy Robert Kraft. Only Robert forgot the rules of a cover-up. He threw the wrong guy under the bus. Brady needed to do his time for the good of the organization. Roger can only keep the other 31 owners at bay for so long. This is a conspiracy. And not an imaginary one. It is just a matter of time before the right whistleblower with the right evidence takes them down. This is bad enough to vacate wins and championships. It is bad enough to affect HOF eligibity. And for Mr. Kraft and Mr. Bundchen's sake they better hope Vegas didn't lose a ton of money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Just watched the first 10 minutes of Inside the NFL and it was all about this crap with the Patriots. Turn on the NFL network and it's Willie Mcginnist defending them. Turn on ESPN and it's Bruschi walking on water. Every damn Total Access all summer had a reporter in New York yacking about this. Every. Single. Show. I am tired of hearing about these cheating punks and hope we beat them silly this year I've stopped watching NFL network because of this. it's as though half the league doesn't even exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) there certainly can be some logic to goodell's harsh punishment of brady as a make-up call for spygate. however that doesn't mean there was more to the original infraction, from what was known about it the penalty was already too soft Edited September 9, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 You do realize Buffalo will be the first road game for the stinking cheaters. How we greet these turds in helmets will be news on Monday. Right. The question is, how to show a sufficient level of disdain while not getting yourself kicked out of the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judman Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I'm looking forward to some good signs in the stands this year as the pats**** go on the road. I hope some of them get past the tv filters like the "tom brady sits when he pees" sign did a few years ago. The "cheaters exit here" sign in the article was awesome. I had never seen that one before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Do they have one HOFer besides Brady (and Gronk if he stays healthy) during this whole dynasty?...........Now it's making sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 i wish the bills FO had the stones to blare this at a somewhat quiet moment during the PATS GAME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmasThoman Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Thank you for pointing this out. Web brigades leaving fake comments, or "astroturfing" (fake "grassroots," get it?) to direct conversation is absolutely a real phenomenon in social media. Paid shills will comment on and up-vote all manner of subjects, depending on who is doing the paying. yes. people should stop paying attention to the comment sections, and look at the people posting ON THOSE SAME PAGES "i made 5000 a week working from home, ask me how". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Not a ton new there for those who've been paying attention, but it's nice to have all (or most, as there are things they missed, like PED use among their core of "aging vets" who seem to regain a step when joining them (see Harrison, Rodney) and Ted Johnson's statement that sometimes right before a game the other team's audible list would appear taped on their lockers) there in one place. The one new thing (at least to me) was the implications of attempted bribery of a Senator, to wit: "In his 2012 book, "Life Among the Cannibals," Specter wrote that a powerful friend -- he wouldn't name the person -- told him that if he "laid off the Patriots," there could be a lot of money for him in Palm Beach. Specter told the friend, "I couldn't care less."" That, to me, if true, is a major new item that should have been investigated. That's a felony, folks. Amazing, even for the Pats*..... Thank you for pointing this out. Web brigades leaving fake comments, or "astroturfing" (fake "grassroots," get it?) to direct conversation is absolutely a real phenomenon in social media. Paid shills will comment on and up-vote all manner of subjects, depending on who is doing the paying. Even my wife (who works in marketing and is very familiar with astroturfers on social media) noticed that odd trend earlier this summer on Deflategate-related stories--lots of similar posts from folks with ridiculous handles (her favorite was "DebfromNebraska", a true Pats* fan) that sound made up and lots of up postings of pro-Pats* comments coming in swarms (as opposed to coming in naturally over time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Phil specter is just a "hater" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I wish we could interfere with Tommy*s helmet radio and pipe in some wild interference during the entire time his headset is on... meaning till after he gets rid of the ball on every play. Fargin Cheaters**** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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