Tiberius Posted September 12, 2019 Author Share Posted September 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: As automation gets less expensive and as the cost to employ and provide benefits for low skilled labor rises, tasks done by humans will be reduced. It's another argument FOR reducing illegal and low skilled immigration. The auto industry has already experienced this as MANY higher paid union factory workers have been replaced in the plants with automation. To name but a few...but how to prop up consumer spending or no one will be able to buy anything the machines make, who will pay into social security, how to deal with the massive unemployment that will probably happen. It could be a giant change in civilization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: To name but a few...but how to prop up consumer spending or no one will be able to buy anything the machines make, who will pay into social security, how to deal with the massive unemployment that will probably happen. It could be a giant change in civilization. Should we put a ban on further development and use of automation in manufacturing and service companies? To do that is to risk being left behind by a world willing to innovate to a greater degree. The U.S. has deployed increasing automation for decades yet somehow we've grown jobs pretty steady with the growth of population. The fears of automation destroying jobs have been written for decades. There is always an Amish style life to fall back on for those that don't want to be part of a modern economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Should we put a ban on further development and use of automation in manufacturing and service companies? To do that is to risk being left behind by a world willing to innovate to a greater degree. The U.S. has deployed increasing automation for decades yet somehow we've grown jobs pretty steady with the growth of population. The fears of automation destroying jobs have been written for decades. There is always an Amish style life to fall back on for those that don't want to be part of a modern economy. Though it has many drawbacks, there are some appealing things about that lifestyle. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090329/mediaviewer/rm2358739200?ft0=name&fv0=nm0000534&ft1=image_type&fv1=still_frame 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 The ordering machines they have at my local McDonalds now don't smell like cigarettes, have prison level tats, missing teeth, or unmentionable BO, and they all speak English. I'll take it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 12, 2019 Author Share Posted September 12, 2019 38 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Should we put a ban on further development and use of automation in manufacturing and service companies? To do that is to risk being left behind by a world willing to innovate to a greater degree. The U.S. has deployed increasing automation for decades yet somehow we've grown jobs pretty steady with the growth of population. The fears of automation destroying jobs have been written for decades. There is always an Amish style life to fall back on for those that don't want to be part of a modern economy. I was not saying it was good or bad but that we will have to adjust, that's all. 7 minutes ago, Golden*Wheels said: The ordering machines they have at my local McDonalds now don't smell like cigarettes, have prison level tats, missing teeth, or unmentionable BO, and they all speak English. I'll take it. But the machine will still ask you to press "1" for English. Some people get so mad about that they put bumper stickers on their broken down cars about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: But the machine will still ask you to press "1" for English. Some people get so mad about that they put bumper stickers on their broken down cars about it It didn't seem to ask that but I had to have the kid (after he told me I had no choice) show me how to use it so maybe he did it. I was standing there at the counter with cash in my hand and they looked at me like I just rolled up to the drive-in in a model T. Still the difference here is vast. I assume the machine speaks both languages perfectly. None of the organ-banks at McDonalds can do either, but I at least have a leg up if we're speaking the same language. And oh boy, ***** up my McGriddle (who puts CHEESE and EGG on a PANCAKE bread sandwich? NASTY!!!) and there will be a mad person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 12, 2019 Author Share Posted September 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Golden*Wheels said: And oh boy, ***** up my McGriddle (who puts CHEESE and EGG on a PANCAKE bread sandwich? NASTY!!!) and there will be a mad person. If you think that's bad, go try the Burger King tacos, OMG, those are the worst! Someone got paid money to create and market that product, unreal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: If you think that's bad, go try the Burger King tacos, OMG, those are the worst! Someone got paid money to create and market that product, unreal Ugh. i can only imagine. I know they have to try and branch out but I only accept my ethnic cuisines from culturally authentic places like Taco Bell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/25/these-workers-face-the-highest-risk-of-losing-their-jobs-to-automation.html Automation threatening 25% of jobs in the US, especially the 'boring and repetitive' ones: Brookings study One-quarter of American jobs are at a high risk of automation. The disruption will hit certain people harder than others, including low-wage earners and men. These are the findings of a new report by the Brookings Institution, a Washington-based think tank, titled, Automation and Artificial Intelligence: How Machines Affect People and Places. Nothing to do with paying a living wage Sooooooo how will adding your open border policy play into this challenge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, Golden*Wheels said: It didn't seem to ask that but I had to have the kid (after he told me I had no choice) show me how to use it so maybe he did it. I was standing there at the counter with cash in my hand and they looked at me like I just rolled up to the drive-in in a model T. Still the difference here is vast. I assume the machine speaks both languages perfectly. None of the organ-banks at McDonalds can do either, but I at least have a leg up if we're speaking the same language. And oh boy, ***** up my McGriddle (who puts CHEESE and EGG on a PANCAKE bread sandwich? NASTY!!!) and there will be a mad person. And I bet it's easily programmable so we no longer discriminate against the Chinese, Japanese, French, Arabic etc speakers among us. 14 minutes ago, Tiberius said: If you think that's bad, go try the Burger King tacos, OMG, those are the worst! Someone got paid money to create and market that product, unreal Only an dumbass would order tacos from Burger King. Oh wait....never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: And I bet it's easily programmable so we no longer discriminate against the Chinese, Japanese, French, Arabic etc speakers among us. Well I don't know about "discriminate" (I don't assume the guy who speaks mostly Spanish at MCDs is discriminating against my white behind, I just wish he spoke English so everything was easy) but that's a good point-- to be frank this may be something we look back on in a few years and be like....man this is better service for just about everybody because a computer can do in a multi-cultural world what Clyde or Paco just can't ever be expected to. Cuz if they can't get a McGriddle right, I probably can't expect them to speak Tagalog and Russian. Edited September 12, 2019 by Golden*Wheels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Golden*Wheels said: Well I don't know about "discriminate" (I don't assume the guy who speaks mostly Spanish at MCDs is discriminating against my white behind, I just wish he spoke English so everything was easy) but that's a good point-- to be frank this may be something we look back on in a few years and be like....man this is better service for just about everybody because a computer can do in a multi-cultural world what Clyde or Paco just can't ever be expected to. Cuz if they can't get a McGriddle right, I probably can't expect them to speak Tagalog and Russian. If all these systems ONLY cater to people who speak English or Spanish I consider it discrimination against those who speak any other language other that English or Spanish. Why are these systems only making themselves available Spanish speakers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: If all these systems ONLY cater to people who speak English or Spanish I consider it discrimination against those who speak any other language other that English or Spanish. Why are these systems only making themselves available Spanish speakers? I guess I'd see discrimination in a what 'languages-can-I-use-to-order at a kiosk' sense as an purposeful action, rather than a completely unintended lack of action. They don't mean to exclude Japanese or Arabic speakers I assume, there just isn't enough need for them to bother doing it yet. But there's enough Spanish peaking people that there is. To me that just makes $ sense. But with the way computers and systems scale nowadays I bet your version is on the way pretty fast. It'll make the most money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Golden*Wheels said: I guess I'd see discrimination in a what 'languages-can-I-use-to-order at a kiosk' sense as an purposeful action, rather than a completely unintended lack of action. They don't mean to exclude Japanese or Arabic speakers I assume, there just isn't enough need for them to bother doing it yet. But there's enough Spanish peaking people that there is. To me that just makes $ sense. But with the way computers and systems scale nowadays I bet your version is on the way pretty fast. It'll make the most money. Yeah it's because Japanese make it a point to learn English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Yeah it's because Japanese make it a point to learn English. A good idea IMO, and that could for sure be part of it.....but there's also just a lot less of them, both in the US and in the world. Arabic would probably be a better comparison, I think. I don't think Spanish speakers are necessarily the only ESL type folks in the states who prefer their "native tongue". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: And I bet it's easily programmable so we no longer discriminate against the Chinese, Japanese, French, Arabic etc speakers among us. Only an dumbass would order tacos from Burger King. Oh wait....never mind. That's why all BK's have the language of Tiberius built into their touch screens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: If you think that's bad, go try the Burger King tacos, OMG, those are the worst! Of course they're horrible. If you took any pride in your work, you'd be at McD's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 On 9/12/2019 at 2:43 PM, Tiberius said: If you think that's bad, go try the Burger King tacos, OMG, those are the worst! Someone got paid money to create and market that product, unreal About the only time I have agreed with you. Tried one yesterday and ugh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 I've been begging for automation for years. I hate ketchup on burgers and it's near impossible to get one without it. The last time I tried, I waited an extra 10 minutes for my "special order" and the idiots still put ketchup in it. That was 20 years ago. I haven't ordered anything requiring instructionns since. Kiosks will open a whole new world of food to me. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 #FIGHTFOR15: This robot can make 300 pizzas in an hour. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 37 minutes ago, B-Man said: #FIGHTFOR15: This robot can make 300 pizzas in an hour. . Yeah, but that pizza looks like *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 On 9/14/2019 at 9:57 AM, unbillievable said: I've been begging for automation for years. I hate ketchup on burgers and it's near impossible to get one without it. The last time I tried, I waited an extra 10 minutes for my "special order" and the idiots still put ketchup in it. That was 20 years ago. I haven't ordered anything requiring instructionns since. Kiosks will open a whole new world of food to me. ? Help is on the way! Under the green new deal you’ll be able to get a non-plastic bucket of ketchup ...but no burger. Problem solved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeIGiveADarn Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 5 hours ago, DC Tom said: Yeah, but that pizza looks like *****. There are a few things that just need a human touch, which means the robot companion industry is a long way off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 On 9/14/2019 at 12:57 PM, unbillievable said: I've been begging for automation for years. I hate ketchup on burgers and it's near impossible to get one without it. The last time I tried, I waited an extra 10 minutes for my "special order" and the idiots still put ketchup in it. That was 20 years ago. I haven't ordered anything requiring instructionns since. Kiosks will open a whole new world of food to me. ? No ketchup on your burger?! Maybe you should just return to the Fatherland where you get your ketchupless hamburger because the worker fears being hauled off go the gulag, eh komrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 15 hours ago, B-Man said: #FIGHTFOR15: This robot can make 300 pizzas in an hour. . One thing about robots. They don’t sneeze, pick their nose or not wash their hands after using the restroom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 So, no robots called Tibs, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 On 9/14/2019 at 12:57 PM, unbillievable said: I've been begging for automation for years. I hate ketchup on burgers and it's near impossible to get one without it. The last time I tried, I waited an extra 10 minutes for my "special order" and the idiots still put ketchup in it. That was 20 years ago. I haven't ordered anything requiring instructionns since. Kiosks will open a whole new world of food to me. ? If I were developing the software for a fast food robot, I guarantee I would program it so that a third of the time you told it "no ketchup," you'd get ketchup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, DC Tom said: If I were developing the software for a fast food robot, I guarantee I would program it so that a third of the time you told it "no ketchup," you'd get ketchup. .........."I said NO ketchup !!" . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-02/robots-to-cut-200-000-u-s-bank-jobs-in-next-decade-study-says 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 Yup, automation is coming. $15 minimum or not. Banking is only one area where it will cut the workforce. Some are estimating that 40% of all jobs will be cut Don't worry @3rdnlng Useful idiots like you will still be needed to manipulate the political process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Tiberius said: Yup, automation is coming. $15 minimum or not. Banking is only one area where it will cut the workforce. Some are estimating that 40% of all jobs will be cut Don't worry @3rdnlng Useful idiots like you will still be needed to manipulate the political process Living inside your head is cheap but all I hear is a hollow sound. Be careful or I'll invent a machine to fold towels and put you out of work. Edited October 7, 2019 by 3rdnlng 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 On 10/3/2019 at 10:39 AM, 3rdnlng said: So, no robots called Tibs, eh? Yeah it'll clean septic tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Completely unforeseeable ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Koko78 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, B-Man said: Completely unforeseeable ? Well, they wanted to 'Fight for Fifteen', because people in no-skill minimum wage jobs (that aren't meant to be a career) deserve more. Them ***** got it. Next, they'll be demanding that all companies be mandated to give them 40 hours per week. Edited October 15, 2019 by Koko78 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Well, they wanted to 'Fight for Fifteen', because people in no-skill minimum wage jobs (that aren't meant to be a career) deserve more. Them ***** got it. Next, they'll be demanding that all companies be mandated to give them 40 hours per week. Or, they will just demand higher pay again to make up for the shortfall of what they thought they would get with the increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 the fruits of the lib's wet dreams manifesting once more. https://twitter.com/KimStrassel/status/1205733609237172224 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Foxx said: the fruits of the lib's wet dreams manifesting once more. https://twitter.com/KimStrassel/status/1205733609237172224 Well, the "proudly progressive" waitress got what she voted for. Now she gets to keep busy doing nothing all day, while sucking from the public tit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 23 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Well, the "proudly progressive" waitress got what she voted for. Now she gets to keep busy doing nothing all day, while sucking from the public tit. As if there are no real world experiments with centrally planned and directed economies. Just watch, the next step for Seattle won't be to back away from the minimum wage plan, but to prohibit businesses from closing down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 On 10/14/2019 at 4:24 PM, B-Man said: Completely unforeseeable ? Always amazes me how many of these $15 people and the UBI supporters fail to recognize that markets are fluid systems and one change begats others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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