Global warming err Climate change HOAX

[yall]

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

I happen to believe in anthropogenic global warming and even I know this is true. 

 

Bad weather? "See it's global warming!"

 

Good weather? "Weather is not climate!"

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

23 minutes ago, yall said:

I happen to believe in anthropogenic global warming and even I know this is true. 

 

Bad weather? "See it's global warming!"

 

Good weather? "Weather is not climate!"

 

 

 

You wouldn't care anyway, right? If we are causing the warming, that's not something you care about, right? 

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You wouldn't care anyway, right? If we are causing the warming, that's not something you care about, right? 

Caring is one thing. Being able to change it is another.  We have virtually no control over the heating and cooling of the planet.  History shows this. 

[yall]

55 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You wouldn't care anyway, right? If we are causing the warming, that's not something you care about, right? 

 

Fun fact; you can believe industrialization is having a negative impact on the climate without thinking the literal sky is falling. 

 

I also don't happen to think some of the predicted outcomes are likely to be as dire as some do. As such I support taking reasonable measures like investing in renewables (solar in particular) and also 4th gen nuclear, something my more hysterical friends are convinced will be the death of us all.

[Chef Jim]

4 hours ago, yall said:

 

Fun fact; you can believe industrialization is having a negative impact on the climate without thinking the literal sky is falling. 

 

I also don't happen to think some of the predicted outcomes are likely to be as dire as some do. As such I support taking reasonable measures like investing in renewables (solar in particular) and also 4th gen nuclear, something my more hysterical friends are convinced will be the death of us all.

You know what will really be the death of is all??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Death. So who cares. 
 

[Orlando Tim]

17 hours ago, Tiberius said:

You wouldn't care anyway, right? If we are causing the warming, that's not something you care about, right? 

Tibs I am for less pollution and cleaner water but I also recognize that we must produce energy and products. And even beyond that I recognize that literally every single thing I heard when I was in middle school in the 90s never happened. When someone says give me power or something bad will happen and then it does not happen regardless, I learn who are liars 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Orlando Tim said:

Tibs I am for less pollution and cleaner water but I also recognize that we must produce energy and products. And even beyond that I recognize that literally every single thing I heard when I was in middle school in the 90s never happened. When someone says give me power or something bad will happen and then it does not happen regardless, I learn who are liars 

Yes we must, that's why we should increase alternative forms of energy. We really can do it

[Orlando Tim]

9 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Yes we must, that's why we should increase alternative forms of energy. We really can do it

I am very pro alternative energy but the issues presented by each is not gonna be solved by simply passing a law. There is no govt that can make innovation happen, and the private sector will make solar work here is FL as soon as possible because we got a lot of sun.

[BillsFanNC]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

As is so often the case when a hurricane shows up to wreak havoc, the armchair scientists and meteorologists have come crawling out of the woodwork. It’s obnoxious, but it’s also illuminating. Because it helps to remind us who the bad actors are. And there are many of them. Maybe even too many to count.

 

But author, climate nerd, and ex-progressive Michael Shellenberger is always doing his best to keep tabs on them and what they’re up to, and he dove into their malpractice in an extensive, must-read thread yesterday:

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

First fossil fuels… now they are coming for your chicken salad

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-doomsday-is-nigh-again-united-nations-environment-climate-change-fossil-fuels-11666989086

 

 

line up and obey if you care about the planet 🐑 

[B-Man]

 

😎

 

 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/finding-safe-haven-in-the-climate-change-future-the-great-plains-100003486.html

 

This article is hilarious - while not mentioning that currently everyone is moving in the direction opposite what they are stating but also state that anyone that disagrees with them doesn't understand science, despite all of their predictions to this point being wrong.

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

On 10/3/2022 at 10:26 AM, B-Man said:

As is so often the case when a hurricane shows up to wreak havoc, the armchair scientists and meteorologists have come crawling out of the woodwork.

 

I think we should watch real meteorologists every day:

 

 

[njbuff]

2 hours ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

 

I think we should watch real meteorologists every day:

 

 

 

Who cares about the climate when she can be an ad for ED.

[B-Man]

37 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

Who cares about the climate when she can be an ad for ED.

 

 

Or spray paint.

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

On 9/29/2022 at 10:36 AM, Tiberius said:

Yes we must, that's why we should increase alternative forms of energy. We really can do it

We can agree here.  But alternative forms of energy that are cheaper and more efficient than oil and gas.  Adoption of more effective sources of energy through human history have facilitated growth and progress which has improved the quality of life and living standards.  But the point I've been hammering away at in this discussion is there aren't any more efficient sources of energy currently available.  If there are, then what are they? 

[Precision]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

We can agree here.  But alternative forms of energy that are cheaper and more efficient than oil and gas.  Adoption of more effective sources of energy through human history have facilitated growth and progress which has improved the quality of life and living standards.  But the point I've been hammering away at in this discussion is there aren't any more efficient sources of energy currently available.  If there are, then what are they? 

I'm sure I've said this a few times.  Generation is the easiest part of transitioning to electric vehicles.  The grid is the problem, it will take decades and trillions of dollars to solve. 

 

Last week National Grid came out with a report stating that in order to keep up with electric vehicle demand, by 2035 each highway plaza on major highways will need to be able to provide as much power as a football stadium.

 

Electric-vehicle charging stations could use as much power as a small town by 2035 — and the grid isn't ready

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

We can agree here.  But alternative forms of energy that are cheaper and more efficient than oil and gas.  Adoption of more effective sources of energy through human history have facilitated growth and progress which has improved the quality of life and living standards.  But the point I've been hammering away at in this discussion is there aren't any more efficient sources of energy currently available.  If there are, then what are they? 

Excellent response. The most efficient source would be nuclear power but the world is very squeamish about it for obvious reasons. Traditional electricity is an answer, but it is not THE answer. It is very inefficient and generally requires another form of energy to create the energy from electricity….which most people simply don’t understand.

[Chef Jim]

3 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

We can agree here.  But alternative forms of energy that are cheaper and more efficient than oil and gas.  Adoption of more effective sources of energy through human history have facilitated growth and progress which has improved the quality of life and living standards.  But the point I've been hammering away at in this discussion is there aren't any more efficient sources of energy currently available.  If there are, then what are they? 

Drove by the wind farms out here in Palm Springs yesterday. Lots of turbines not moving.  Can someone explain why?   It’s like shutting the turbines down on the Niagara. 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

23 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

The most efficient source would be nuclear power

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

21 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Drove by the wind farms out here in Palm Springs yesterday. Lots of turbines not moving.  Can someone explain why?   It’s like shutting the turbines down on the Niagara. 

That is always the case. I can’t say I know why but there’s a tour you can take where they explain how it all works. 

[Orlando Tim]

22 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Drove by the wind farms out here in Palm Springs yesterday. Lots of turbines not moving.  Can someone explain why?   It’s like shutting the turbines down on the Niagara. 

I don't know your specific reason but part of the reason FL is so reluctant to have windfarms is that the energy needs to be stored in batteries basically and that the batteries can get "full". 

[aristocrat]

On 11/26/2022 at 7:15 AM, All_Pro_Bills said:

We can agree here.  But alternative forms of energy that are cheaper and more efficient than oil and gas.  Adoption of more effective sources of energy through human history have facilitated growth and progress which has improved the quality of life and living standards.  But the point I've been hammering away at in this discussion is there aren't any more efficient sources of energy currently available.  If there are, then what are they? 

nuclear. Be a lot easier if Obama hadn’t shut down building the storage facilities a decade back. Don’t need all those nice solar farms taking up all that wildlife land. Then when the solar panels hit their life span they destroy the wild life again when people don’t recycle them properly. At least with nuke it’s already regulated to store the waste properly. But climate cult gonna go all culty. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

22 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Drove by the wind farms out here in Palm Springs yesterday. Lots of turbines not moving.  Can someone explain why?   It’s like shutting the turbines down on the Niagara. 

I can take a guess—we have an abundance of cheap wind in this country, but there are  concerns that over-harvesting of wind is harmful to the environment and indicative of America’s imperialistic tendencies and complete disregard for emerging economies in developing nations.  
 

The answer is to ration wind, recycle that which has already been used, apply a wind tax, allow people to purchase wind credits if their wind consumption exceeds reasonable standards, and if necessary, to import wind from India or Pakistan. 
 

 

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

That is always the case. I can’t say I know why but there’s a tour you can take where they explain how it all works. 

 

Oh we took the tour.  I think they explained why but I forgot. It can't be for lack of need for power.  

 

Anyway all new construction in CA requires solar.  We are looking at new homes.  I don't have a problem with that but it does add $25k-$30k to the cost of the home.  

1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said:

I don't know your specific reason but part of the reason FL is so reluctant to have windfarms is that the energy needs to be stored in batteries basically and that the batteries can get "full". 

 

Well that just doesn't make sense.  They've had hydro power in Niagara Falls for over 100 years.  Do they ever shut the turbines down?   It's AC not DC.  

49 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I can take a guess—we have an abundance of cheap wind in this country, but there are  concerns that over-harvesting of wind is harmful to the environment and indicative of America’s imperialistic tendencies and complete disregard for emerging economies in developing nations.  
 

The answer is to ration wind, recycle that which has already been used, apply a wind tax, allow people to purchase wind credits if their wind consumption exceeds reasonable standards, and if necessary, to import wind from India or Pakistan. 
 

 

 

And that idea will break like the wind.  

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

7 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Oh we took the tour.  I think they explained why but I forgot. It can't be for lack of need for power.  

 

Anyway all new construction in CA requires solar.  We are looking at new homes.  I don't have a problem with that but it does add $25k-$30k to the cost of the home.  

 

Well that just doesn't make sense.  They've had hydro power in Niagara Falls for over 100 years.  Do they ever shut the turbines down?   It's AC not DC.  

 

And that idea will break like the wind.  

Oh!  That Patrick Swayze song! 

[SoCal Deek]

10 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Oh we took the tour.  I think they explained why but I forgot. It can't be for lack of need for power.  

 

Anyway all new construction in CA requires solar.  We are looking at new homes.  I don't have a problem with that but it does add $25k-$30k to the cost of the home.  

 

We had solar on our last house for over fifteen years. It worked like a charm, with zero maintenance. My electric bill was generally less than $2.00 per month. You’ll love it! 

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

We had solar on our last house for over fifteen years. It worked like a charm, with zero maintenance. My electric bill was generally less than $2.00 per month. You’ll love it! 

That’s great but at $28k for the solar install that’s a 15-16 year break even.  Even so seeing our electric bill is our highest monthly bill here in the summer I’ll take the lower monthly bill.  We’re weird. We didn’t use the AC a ton this summer. 10-12 hours a day max. 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

That’s great but at $28k for the solar install that’s a 15-16 year break even.  Even so seeing our electric bill is our highest monthly bill here in the summer I’ll take the lower monthly bill.  We’re weird. We didn’t use the AC a ton this summer. 10-12 hours a day max. 

Note that I didn’t say it would save you a ton of money. I said it worked like a charm. Your array is purposely sized to take off just the top two tiers of your power bill. Those are the higher rates where solar is competitive. But still …it makes a lot of sense for a house, where you’re not using that much power per sf. On a commercial building it’s almost impossible for solar to keep pace with demand. 

[reddogblitz]

On 11/26/2022 at 7:43 AM, Chef Jim said:

Drove by the wind farms out here in Palm Springs yesterday. Lots of turbines not moving.  Can someone explain why?   It’s like shutting the turbines down on the Niagara. 

 

I had t by e same experience when I drove from Costa Mesa to Palm Spring in 2004.  The word on the street in Palm Springs was they were shut down cuz they were killing birds.  

[Chef Jim]

5 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I had t by e same experience when I drove from Costa Mesa to Palm Spring in 2004.  The word on the street in Palm Springs was they were shut down cuz they were killing birds.  

That’s not the reason here.  That was up in Altamont Pass in the Bay Area. 

[JDHillFan]

 

[Wacka]

Climate Change my @SS ! 39 (as of 12/29) dead from global warming!

[Tiberius]

Warmer Lake Erie means more lake effect snow. 

 

Right? 

[Tommy Callahan]

just imagine if NYS, Erie county, buffalo leaders didnt sign into green source contracts for energy.  signing into the paris accord?  carbon credits?  

 

Maybe should have put some of that into snow plows and winter emergency devices like snow mobiles or those track four wheelers.

[SoCal Deek]

59 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Warmer Lake Erie means more lake effect snow. 

 

Right? 

It’s an interesting point, but if it was truly due to planetary warming wouldn’t we have seen this virtually every year for the past decade? I’d love to see more educated discussion on the topic. 

[Big Blitz]

It’s like, you can’t put it past these people to maybe do something about reducing the population of the planet.  
 

A virus. 
 

A war. 
 

Everything is on the table.  
 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Warmer Lake Erie means more lake effect snow. 

 

Right? 

Along your point, in 2004 I had 3 hurricanes hit my area and I was told that it was global warming and to prepare for more damage, then from 2006 - 2016 with no hurricane and  I was told hurricanes are not global warming related. The inability to state anything accurately before hand means it is not real science.

[B-Man]

 

 

MISLABELING WEATHER AS CLIMATE DOESN’T MAKE A WEATHER DISASTER A “CLIMATE DISASTER.” 

 

2022’s US climate disasters, from storms and floods to heat waves and droughts.

 

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/12/2022s-us-climate-disasters-from-storms-and-floods-to-heat-waves-and-droughts/?comments=1&comments-page=1

 

 

 

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