Global warming err Climate change HOAX

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Exactly.

And if socialists like DeSantis weren't afraid to just let the market work, it would cost even more to insure property in coastal Florida.

Hey, Ronnie, shouldn't we also eliminate that government-run socialist National Flood Insurance Program?

It' only socialism when the MAGA's don't directly benefit.  Duhhhhh.  On second thought, even sometimes when they would.  Vaccinations come to mind.

Edited September 19, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[Tiberius]

Literally burning up the planet and the MAGA crowd is like, "so what" 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Literally burning up the planet and the MAGA crowd is like, "so what" 

 

You know the what is left wing/right wing thread?  It's not stupid versus stupid.  It's really simple....

[reddogblitz]

3 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

To hold the MAGA base together?  Nah, just stupidity...

 

Dude, come on man. The idiot glued his hand to the track.  The security guard was able to just pull his arm and pop the seal.  Must not have been strong glue. And all you you get out of it is "MAGA".  Gheez Louise dude, get a life.

 

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the idiot was not even a "MAGA". 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Dude, come on man. The idiot glued his hand to the track.  The security guard was able to just pull his arm and pop the seal.  Must not have been strong glue. And all you you get out of it is "MAGA".  Gheez Louise dude, get a life.

 

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the idiot was not even a "MAGA". 

I hadn't looked at it.  but I guess you're correct.  It's F1 racing not the busch league...

Edited September 19, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[reddogblitz]

21 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

I hadn't looked at it.

 

Typical.

 

And you claim to be smart cuz you used to be a doctor. The smartest doctor on TBD.

Edited September 19, 2023 by reddogblitz

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Typical.

 

And you claim to be smart cuz you used to be a doctor. The smartest doctor on TBD.

I'm still one.  They don't take your degree away even if you're an anti vax crazy goof.  Why would I be interested in some fool gluing his hand down much less, posting it?

[JDHillFan]

2 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

I'm still one.  They don't take your degree away even if you're an anti vax crazy goof.  Why would I be interested in some fool gluing his hand down much less, posting it?

You took the time to comment on it, stupidly so, without looking at it. Nice work. 

[Orlando Tim]

8 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

It' only socialism when the MAGA's don't directly benefit.  Duhhhhh.  On second thought, even sometimes when they would.  Vaccinations come to mind.

You are doing amazing with your shots today, until Covid the primary areas to resist vaccines was California and around NYC, but somehow you think not wanting an experimental drug is "antivax".

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/16/upshot/measles-vaccination-california-students.html

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said:

You are doing amazing with your shots today, until Covid the primary areas to resist vaccines was California and around NYC, but somehow you think not wanting an experimental drug is "antivax".

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/16/upshot/measles-vaccination-california-students.html

yeah, I'm going on multiple anecdotes... The people here are MAGA's thru and thru mostly....and r willing to die for it.  Is Orlando so different?  Knob Creek is inspiring.  Boebert inspired me to buy some...

Edited September 20, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[Wacka]

Noah's flood was probably the filling of the Black Sea thriugh the Bosporous. from the Mediterranean. Ballard found perfectly preserved huts in the anaerobic bottom layer of the Black Sea.  

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, Wacka said:

Noah's flood was probably the filling of the Black Sea thriugh the Bosporous. from the Mediterranean. Ballard found perfectly preserved huts in the anaerobic bottom layer of the Black Sea.  

Cool.  And the two by two thing... maintaining species?  Literalism is stupidism.  But it's easy for the toothless...Thinking is hard.  "What's a cubit?"..Funniest bit Cosby ever did.

Edited September 20, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[Orlando Tim]

7 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

yeah, I'm going on multiple anecdotes... The people here are MAGA's thru and thru mostly....and r willing to die for it.  Is Orlando so different?  Knob Creek is inspiring.  Boebert inspired me to buy some...

I think you mean you that you are not informed enough on the topic of healthcare to have a discussion of who is actually antivax VS those that are just against a mandate to take an experimental shot. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

16 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Literally burning up the planet and the MAGA crowd is like, "so what" 

 

The problem is when you apply logical thinking to the issue the climate extremists are imposing lots of rules and regulations based on faulty models and predictions. 

 

Pretending about 150 years of incomplete temperature data can accurately predict the future and represent 100's of millions of years of unknown climate and temperature variations.  One thing that is understood by fossil records and not temperature data is the climate was hotter in Dinosaur times but just why and exactly what drove the temperature absent human impact is unknown.  What cause hot cycles to turn to cold cycles which led to ice ages and then cycle back to hotter is unknown. Climate models have no  baseline to validate any of their conclusions. 

 

And most importsnt, today's climate science is mostly political science.

 

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[Joe Ferguson forever]

40 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The problem is when you apply logical thinking to the issue the climate extremists are imposing lots of rules and regulations based on faulty models and predictions. 

 

Pretending about 150 years of incomplete temperature data can accurately predict the future and represent 100's of millions of years of unknown climate and temperature variations.  One thing that is understood by fossil records and not temperature data is the climate was hotter in Dinosaur times but just why and exactly what drove the temperature absent human impact is unknown.  What cause hot cycles to turn to cold cycles which led to ice ages and then cycle back to hotter is unknown. Climate models have no  baseline to validate any of their conclusions. 

 

And most importsnt, today's climate science is mostly political science.

 

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Wah....rules and regulations!  Meanwhile dumb shite's in Fla can't get insurance without gov't supports.  That's something I don't want my tax money to go for.  Let em move or drown....u aRE NOT VICTIMS OF US.  WE ARE VICTIMS OF U.

1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said:

I think you mean you that you are not informed enough on the topic of healthcare to have a discussion of who is actually antivax VS those that are just against a mandate to take an experimental shot. 

yes, 30+ years and 200k pt visits didn't teach me a thing...

Edited September 20, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Wah....rules and regulations!  Meanwhile dumb shite's in Fla can't get insurance without gov't supports.  That's something I don't want my tax money to go for.  Let em move or drown....u aRE NOT VICTIMS OF US.  WE ARE VICTIMS OF U.

You haven't addressed my concerns about the short-comings of climate science.  I welcome your perspective.   

[Big Blitz]

 

[Orlando Tim]

On 9/19/2023 at 2:05 PM, Tiberius said:

Literally burning up the planet and the MAGA crowd is like, "so what" 

 

So what is Biden doing to stop China and India since they are doing the best majority of the damage you mention? 

[B-Man]

 

 

Ummm WUT? Wildlife TV Presenter says it may be time to break the law for THE CLIMATE

 

 

 

 

THERE is your cult fellow PPP'ers.

 

 

 

 What are they going to do when we all decide we are going to follow the same rules they are following and disregard all the laws just because we want to? 

 

 

 

https://twitchy.com/artistangie/2023/09/23/ummm-wut-wildlife-tv-presenter-says-it-may-be-time-to-break-the-law-for-the-climate-n2387652

[B-Man]

NEW YORK POST COLUMN:  Even Bill Gates is backtracking — the air’s gone out of the climate-crisis balloon.

 

https://nypost.com/2023/09/25/even-bill-gates-is-backtracking-the-airs-gone-out-of-the-climate-crisis-balloon/
 

 

[Doc]

On 9/5/2023 at 3:17 PM, B-Man said:

 

-- Hey, the "lets get the people to eat insects push isn't go too well"

 

-- "No problem, I know just the solution."

 

 

 

 

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

 

No need to genetically modify them:

 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/alpha-gal-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20428608

[aristocrat]

17 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

No need to genetically modify them:

 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/alpha-gal-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20428608

They should just sterilize him and end his bloodline 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Nothing to see here.  Wade along thru the subway turnstiles

 

https://www.accuweather.com/en/severe-weather/coastal-storm-deluging-nyc-with-rain-capable-of-spawning-life-threatening-flash-flooding/1582796

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Nothing to see here.  Wade along thru the subway turnstiles

 

https://www.accuweather.com/en/severe-weather/coastal-storm-deluging-nyc-with-rain-capable-of-spawning-life-threatening-flash-flooding/1582796

Your argument is that the flooding would not happen have happened if what had happened in the past?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Your argument is that the flooding would not happen have happened if what had happened in the past?

No😂

[ChiGoose]

35 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Your argument is that the flooding would not happen have happened if what had happened in the past?

A helpful way this was explained to me years and years ago:
 

We know that Barry Bonds did steroids, right? But when he hit a home run, can you say for certain that the only reason he hit that home run was because of steroids? Probably not. 
 

However, when you look at the trends and data over time, it’s clear that he was doping.

 

Similarly, it’s currently hard to tell if a specific weather event was due to climate change*. But when you look at the data and trends, it’s clear that it’s happening. 
 

*this is changing due to attribution science which actually allows us to understand the impact of climate change on individual weather events. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Nothing to see here.  Wade along thru the subway turnstiles

 

https://www.accuweather.com/en/severe-weather/coastal-storm-deluging-nyc-with-rain-capable-of-spawning-life-threatening-flash-flooding/1582796

Natural disasters of one kind or anoher have been ocuring on planet Earth for hundreds of millions of years.  The planet is about 4.5 billion years old and I'm quite certain ithere have been years, decades, centuries, and much longer periods where it's been much hotter and much colder,  much drier and much wetter without human assistance in the past.  

Nothing is more frightening than ignorance in action and climate science is a prime example.  To think our 150 years of incomplete temperature data is sufficient to understand and predict the future climate, how it changes, and with certainty its cause and effect is the height of arrogance.  A trait humans have a monopoly on among the creatures sharing the planet.  150 years is a blink of an eye in geological time.

It's far more likely we have absolutely no control over the climate than what many think how it can be controled by removing 2 parts per million of CO2, a naturally occurring compound necessary for plant life, from the atmosphere. 

I suggest we spend our time and resources learning to adapt to the changes.  Organisms that fail to adapt to changing conditions eventually become extinct.  And the planet will somehow manage to survive and change without us for another couple billion years.  

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Natural disasters of one kind or anoher have been ocuring on planet Earth for hundreds of millions of years.  The planet is about 4.5 billion years old and I'm quite certain ithere have been years, decades, centuries, and much longer periods where it's been much hotter and much colder,  much drier and much wetter without human assistance in the past.  

Nothing is more frightening than ignorance in action and climate science is a prime example.  To think our 150 years of incomplete temperature data is sufficient to understand and predict the future climate, how it changes, and with certainty its cause and effect is the height of arrogance.  A trait humans have a monopoly on among the creatures sharing the planet.  150 years is a blink of an eye in geological time.

It's far more likely we have absolutely no control over the climate than what many think how it can be controled by removing 2 parts per million of CO2, a naturally occurring compound necessary for plant life, from the atmosphere. 

I suggest we spend our time and resources learning to adapt to the changes.  Organisms that fail to adapt to changing conditions eventually become extinct.  And the planet will somehow manage to survive and change without us for another couple billion years.  

 

Ok.  staying in the highlands...

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

A helpful way this was explained to me years and years ago:
 

We know that Barry Bonds did steroids, right? But when he hit a home run, can you say for certain that the only reason he hit that home run was because of steroids? Probably not. 
 

However, when you look at the trends and data over time, it’s clear that he was doping.

 

Similarly, it’s currently hard to tell if a specific weather event was due to climate change*. But when you look at the data and trends, it’s clear that it’s happening. 
 

*this is changing due to attribution science which actually allows us to understand the impact of climate change on individual weather events. 

so are you a vegan who only walks or rides a bicycle to get around and refuses to use air conditioning? Or are you not really worried about it? 

[ChiGoose]

7 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

so are you a vegan who only walks or rides a bicycle to get around and refuses to use air conditioning? Or are you not really worried about it? 

Very nice strawman argument you have there. Strawmen and whataboutism seem to be the default rebuttal from the right these days. 
 

The tragic thing about climate change is that instead of proposing different solutions to combat an incredibly obvious problem, conservatives would rather bury their heads in the sand and pretend it isn’t happening. 
 

As always, it’s feelings over facts. 
 

BTW: until a very recent job change, I commuted exclusively via mass transit. And even now that I do drive to work, the overall commute is less than 10 minutes. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Very nice strawman argument you have there. Strawmen and whataboutism seem to be the default rebuttal from the right these days. 
 

The tragic thing about climate change is that instead of proposing different solutions to combat an incredibly obvious problem, conservatives would rather bury their heads in the sand and pretend it isn’t happening. 
 

As always, it’s feelings over facts. 
 

BTW: until a very recent job change, I commuted exclusively via mass transit. And even now that I do drive to work, the overall commute is less than 10 minutes. 

just another profit of doom that refuses to buy in to the hysteria enough to really sacrifice and do something about it. Just as suspected. Facts 😂 
 

This isn’t denial, it’s rejection of this imminent existential crisis your idiot sheep herders keep handwringing over… so the earth might get a couple degrees hotter in a few centuries. Im sure we won’t figure out how to cope with that 🙄 
 

Tell me, are you pro Ukrainian war… well that carbon footprint is accelerating us towards this decade or less brink your band leaders have cited. 

 

what are you going to do about China and India, because their acceleration of carbon emissions is skyrocketing and will well exceed  any global output numbers we’ve seen to date. 

 

Facts? Did you consider the likely 60-80 kg of life cycle carbon output from your unnecessary smartphone? I bet you don’t even have an electric car and solar panels on your house.  Your probably not even carbon neutral *gasp*

 

Here’s a fact for you. like every other liberal you’re worried enough to whine about climate change and tell other people what they need to do, and that’s where it ends. Right on brand. 

[Wacka]

5 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

 

As always, it’s feelings over facts. 
 

 

Get the commie ba**ards in Russia and China, the two biggest polluting countries on this planet to clean up. The US has probably done the most about cleaning up the environment. Don't you remember or are you too young, the brown  ring around the horizon in Buffalo?  Buffalo city hall was the light color it is now when to was built in the '30s. By the 6'0s it was dark gray, almost black.I thought it was always that color. Glad they cleaned it in the 80s or 90s.

[Orlando Tim]

12 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

A helpful way this was explained to me years and years ago:
 

We know that Barry Bonds did steroids, right? But when he hit a home run, can you say for certain that the only reason he hit that home run was because of steroids? Probably not. 
 

However, when you look at the trends and data over time, it’s clear that he was doping.

 

Similarly, it’s currently hard to tell if a specific weather event was due to climate change*. But when you look at the data and trends, it’s clear that it’s happening. 
 

*this is changing due to attribution science which actually allows us to understand the impact of climate change on individual weather events. 

We know Barry Bonds was doping because his head blew up, the signs of doping are a 30+ year old suddenly becoming much more muscular. His HR record is a side effect, do you think Aaron Judge is doping because he got so many? As for the trends I have one question, are major hurricanes a sign of global warming? 

[ChiGoose]

3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

just another profit of doom that refuses to buy in to the hysteria enough to really sacrifice and do something about it. Just as suspected. Facts 😂 
 

This isn’t denial, it’s rejection of this imminent existential crisis your idiot sheep herders keep handwringing over… so the earth might get a couple degrees hotter in a few centuries. Im sure we won’t figure out how to cope with that 🙄 
 

Tell me, are you pro Ukrainian war… well that carbon footprint is accelerating us towards this decade or less brink your band leaders have cited. 

 

what are you going to do about China and India, because their acceleration of carbon emissions is skyrocketing and will well exceed  any global output numbers we’ve seen to date. 

 

Facts? Did you consider the likely 60-80 kg of life cycle carbon output from your unnecessary smartphone? I bet you don’t even have an electric car and solar panels on your house.  Your probably not even carbon neutral *gasp*

 

Here’s a fact for you. like every other liberal you’re worried enough to whine about climate change and tell other people what they need to do, and that’s where it ends. Right on brand. 

When have I told other people what to do about climate change?

 

And why do you think it’s a requirement to have a panacea solution to climate change if you believe that climate change is real?

 

You seem like you’re rejecting facts about a problem simply because you don’t like the solutions to that problem that other people have proposed. Which was kinda my point. 

Edited September 30, 2023 by ChiGoose

[B-Man]

 

Michael Shellenberger has a thread on the intersection of 

 

Apocalyptic environmentalism and exhibitionist narcissism 

 

that’s well worth a read:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Doc]

11 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Very nice strawman argument you have there. Strawmen and whataboutism seem to be the default rebuttal from the right these days. 
 

The tragic thing about climate change is that instead of proposing different solutions to combat an incredibly obvious problem, conservatives would rather bury their heads in the sand and pretend it isn’t happening. 
 

As always, it’s feelings over facts. 
 

BTW: until a very recent job change, I commuted exclusively via mass transit. And even now that I do drive to work, the overall commute is less than 10 minutes. 

 

Nice revisionist history.  Everyone wants to (eventually) move away from fossil fuels.  But doing so without viable/affordable alternatives is stupid.  And until they corral the major offenders, it's like throwing deck chairs off the Titanic.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

When have I told other people what to do about climate change?

 

And why do you think it’s a requirement to have a panacea solution to climate change if you believe that climate change is real?

 

You seem like you’re rejecting facts about a problem simply because you don’t like the solutions to that problem that other people have proposed. Which was kinda my point. 

please let me know which facts have i rejected?

 

I’m merely pointing out the climate change alarmist party and their backers don’t seem to interested in eliminating their own personal contribution to the problem. 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

[Precision]

Investors continue to pull money from ESG funds.  

 

Money managers are shifting their attitude to ESG as ‘realism’ sets in

"In the second quarter of this year, investors have pulled $635 million from U.S. sustainable funds, according to funds research firm Morningstar. That racks up a total outflow of $11.4 billion from these sustainable funds in the past year."

 

BlackRock Dissolves ESG Funds as Firm Steps Back From Label

"BlackRock announced the closure of two ESG-focused mutual funds on Sept. 15, while other firms such as State Street Corp., Janus Henderson Group and Columbia Threadneedle Investments have dissolved ESG funds so far in 2023, according to Bloomberg. More sustainable funds in the U.S. have closed this year than in the past three years combined."

 

[Orlando Tim]

i actually agree it is settled science, no one knows what is going to happen.