What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

You know what?  Law-abiding gun owners ARE the problem.  They damn well are.

Is this sarcasm?  Please tell me this is sarcasm.

[DC Tom]

5 hours ago, B-Man said:

Florida high school shooting: Live updates - CNN.com

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/14/us/florida-school-shooting/index.html

50 mins ago

 

 

 

‘SCUMBAG Alert’: Sen. Chris Murphy wastes NO time turning Fla. school shooting into gun control push

 

 

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But the good news is that, if you use google to search for news on this, it will only bring up approved news sites.

[B-Man]

Dallas sports reporter Mike Leslie 

 

 

 

Quote

 

Mike Leslie

✔@MikeLeslieWFAA

 

Step 1: mass shooting

Step 2: casualties

Step 3: sadness

Step 4: anger

Step 5: both sides make political arguments

Step 6: both sides say other side is "politicizing a tragedy"

Step 7: Nothing ever changes

Step 8: Wait for next mass shooting

3:32 PM - Feb 14, 2018

 

 

 

JC@jce091268

 

Perhaps you should research the issue and develop an opinion on potential remedies instead of virtue signaling with your "Steps". We understand that you're "woke". Enlighten us with your solutions

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 15, 2018 by B-Man

[Koko78]

2 hours ago, Cinga said:

Marbury vs Madison however tipped the scales when the court took the Constitution to themselves, and claimed to be the arbiter of it. Since then, we have a branch with authority over the other 2 because they can simply over rule them both. This was never the intent of the framers, and certainly isn't an enumerated power under the Constitution.

 

I wouldn't agree with this. Each branch has checks over the others, which did not go away. The Court has no authority to create law, nor do they have any mechanism to enforce their rulings. They have no more authority over the other two branches than the other two have over the Court.

 

Marbury v. Madison was a natural extension of the "cases or controversies" mandate of Article 3. However, it was completely unethical for Marshall to take part in the case (much less write the decision), since it was his !@#$up on the last day of Adams' administration that created the issue of the case.

 

[njbuff]

Every law abiding citizen in this country should be able to protect themselves and their families. If it requires a gun, then it shouldn't be an argument.

 

 

[ALF]

As for his family life, Cruz was adopted by Lynda Cruz, said Kathie Blaine, her cousin.

More than three months ago, on November 1, she died after battling the flu and then pneumonia, Blaine told CNN. Cruz's father had died more than a decade ago due to a heart attack.

 

Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said Cruz's digital profile contained what he called "very, very disturbing" content.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/14/us/nikolas-cruz-florida-shooting-suspect/index.html

 

Someone who saw his online posting should have reported him.

Edited February 15, 2018 by ALF

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#PoliticizedTragedyStrong

[boyst]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

As for his family life, Cruz was adopted by Lynda Cruz, said Kathie Blaine, her cousin.

More than three months ago, on November 1, she died after battling the flu and then pneumonia, Blaine told CNN. Cruz's father had died more than a decade ago due to a heart attack.

 

Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said Cruz's digital profile contained what he called "very, very disturbing" content.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/14/us/nikolas-cruz-florida-shooting-suspect/index.html

 

Someone who saw his online posting should have reported him.

Welcome to our society. People are scared to act first

Yet, everyone is now jumping in to say they knew this would happen.  I find that to be a joke.

 

[Justice]

Create a database that keeps track of the amount of ammunition and clips an individual buys. Make them prove they used those items before they can buy more. Also, before a person can buy a gun in the first place he/she has to pass a Psychological evaluation. 

 

At least it’s something. What we can’t do is nothing. Enough is enough already. RIP and prayers to all that are effected by this tragedy. 

[boyst]

10 minutes ago, Justice said:

Create a database that keeps track of the amount of ammunition and clips an individual buys. Make them prove they used those items before they can buy more. Also, before a person can buy a gun in the first place he/she has to pass a Psychological evaluation. 

 

At least it’s something. What we can’t do is nothing. Enough is enough already. RIP and prayers to all that are effected by this tragedy. 

Who the hell is going to oversee that operation?

 

You're basically saying it'll be the DMV of guns?  Where does it say in the Constitution that it's necessary?

 

Where in the Constitution is that freedom limited?  Because, you are trying to limit ammunition you think it's ok.

[Justice]

9 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

Who the hell is going to oversee that operation?

 

You're basically saying it'll be the DMV of guns?  Where does it say in the Constitution that it's necessary?

 

Where in the Constitution is that freedom limited?  Because, you are trying to limit ammunition you think it's ok.

1. Whoever is in the business of selling those weapons. 

 

2. Where in the constitution does it say you need an AR-15?

 

3. Damn right it’s ok. Who the hell needs mutilple clips? 

[boyst]

5 minutes ago, Justice said:

1. Whoever is in the business of selling those weapons. 

 

2. Where in the constitution does it say you need an AR-15?

 

3. Damn right it’s ok. Who the hell needs mutilple clips? 

1.  Do you expect them to be able to completely do this and do so honestly?  There would need to be gov monitoring,Shirley.

 

2. Where in the Constitution does it say you don't?

 

3. Anyone.

[Tiberius]

How many other countries have mass shootings like this all the time? 

[boyst]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

How many other countries have mass shootings like this all the time? 

 

[Justice]

1 minute ago, Boyst62 said:

1.  Do you expect them to be able to completely do this and do so honestly?  There would need to be gov monitoring,Shirley.

 

2. Where in the Constitution does it say you don't?

 

3. Anyone.

1. It’s easier than you think. Sellers would have to prove their sales annually. Inventory out has to match the inventory that goes in. 

 

2. The nature of the second amendment is for protection and maybe for sport like hunting. When you go hunting you don’t need an assault rifle with multiple clips. 

 

3. What kind of protection does anyone need that requires multiple clips for an assault rifle? You expecting a gang to enter your house or something? 

1 minute ago, Boyst62 said:

 

This freaking guy. Wants to compare a war torn country to ours. Smh. 

[boyst]

6 minutes ago, Justice said:

1. It’s easier than you think. Sellers would have to prove their sales annually. Inventory out has to match the inventory that goes in. 

 

2. The nature of the second amendment is for protection and maybe for sport like hunting. When you go hunting you don’t need an assault rifle with multiple clips. 

 

3. What kind of protection does anyone need that requires multiple clips for an assault rifle? You expecting a gang to enter your house or something? 

This freaking guy. Wants to compare a war torn country to ours. Smh. 

1.  No, it's not. The DMV can barely function and they serve the same porpoise as the agency you'd want to create.  And, also, I'll ask this: who will pay for the registration records?

 

2.thats how you read it. That's your take. That's not how many read it. Sorry, you're dumb

 

3. Why does the gun need to be for protection?  

 

And I was replying to Tiberius who asked what other country has shootings like this. Iraq does.

[Justice]

Just now, Boyst62 said:

1.  No, it's not. The DMV can barely function and they serve the same porpoise as the agency you'd want to create.  And, also, I'll ask this: who will pay for the registration records?

 

2.thats how you read it. That's your take. That's not how many read it. Sorry, you're dumb

 

3. Why does the gun need to be for protection?  

 

And I was replying to Tiberius who asked what other country has shootings like this. Iraq does.

What’s your bright idea, Einstein? I don’t care who you were replying to. Comparing Iraq with the US is downright retarded. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

12 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

You know what?  Law-abiding gun owners ARE the problem.  They damn well are.

 

I always knew you were an idiot. This is further confirmation.

 

Do us all a favor and go play on a freeway. Thanks.

 

[Teddy KGB]

49 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

Welcome to our society. People are scared to act first

Yet, everyone is now jumping in to say they knew this would happen.  I find that to be a joke.

 

 

Teachers don’t even suspend kids for all sorts of terrible actions.    

 

The idiots have taken over.  

[Roundybout]

20 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

How many other countries have mass shootings like this all the time? 

 

France...a place with no guns of any kind for anyone.

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Teachers don’t even suspend kids for all sorts of terrible actions.    

 

The idiots have taken over.  

Poor gun nuts 

[B-Man]

6 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Teachers don’t even suspend kids for all sorts of terrible actions.    

 

The idiots have taken over.  

 

 

Well, it certainly is wildly inconsistent.

 

You read about a 2nd grader being suspended for a week for drawing a gun, but an 18 year old who actually threatens a school slips through the cracks

 

 

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[Nanker]

11 minutes ago, Justice said:

What’s your bright idea, Einstein? I don’t care who you were replying to. Comparing Iraq with the US is downright retarded. 

There are many, many stores that sell guns and ammo. You suggesting having a DB that is inter-connected that would track John Doe’s purchases of multiple products at multiple locations at multiple times?

 

not so simple is it. 

[Bob in Mich]

Just now, Nanker said:

There are many, many stores that sell guns and ammo. You suggesting having a DB that is inter-connected that would track John Doe’s purchases of multiple products at multiple locations at multiple times?

 

not so simple is it. 

 

Isn't something like that done with Sudefed?

[row_33]

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Well, it certainly is wildly inconsistent.

 

You read about a 2nd grader being suspended for a week for drawing a gun, but an 18 year old who actually threatens a school slips through the cracks

 

 

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You can be brave and tough with a second grader. You just wish the 18-19 year old disappears from your life.

 

[Nanker]

Sure. About one request for Sudafed comes in to a pharmacy a month now. There are lots of good alternative drugs to use that dopers like some around here find useless for making meth. 

 

Apples and peanuts. 

[Justice]

10 minutes ago, Nanker said:

There are many, many stores that sell guns and ammo. You suggesting having a DB that is inter-connected that would track John Doe’s purchases of multiple products at multiple locations at multiple times?

 

not so simple is it. 

Internet and computers, boss. 

[LeviF]

1 hour ago, Justice said:

Create a database that keeps track of the amount of ammunition and clips an individual buys. Make them prove they used those items before they can buy more. Also, before a person can buy a gun in the first place he/she has to pass a Psychological evaluation. 

 

At least it’s something. What we can’t do is nothing. Enough is enough already. RIP and prayers to all that are effected by this tragedy. 

 

Create a database that keeps track of the movements of all Muslims and where they pray.  Make them prove they have no radical influences or thoughts whatsoever before they can move here.  Also, before a Muslim can buy a pressure cooker in the first place he/she has to pass a Psychological evaluation.

 

At least it's something.  What we can't do is nothing.  Enough is enough already.  RIP and prayers to all that are affected by this tragedy:

 

[boyst]

23 minutes ago, Justice said:

What’s your bright idea, Einstein? I don’t care who you were replying to. Comparing Iraq with the US is downright retarded. 

My bright idea:. Not to open my mouth before I have the facts of the situation, a diagnosis of the situation and a conclusion.

 

I also support teachers being able to carry weapons.

 

And, if you have no sense of humor than sky fairy have mercy on your soul.

[Nanker]

1 minute ago, LeviF91 said:

 

Create a database that keeps track of the movements of all Muslims and where they pray.  Make them prove they have no radical influences or thoughts whatsoever before they can move here.  Also, before a Muslim can buy a pressure cooker in the first place he/she has to pass a Psychological evaluation.

 

At least it's something.  What we can't do is nothing.  Enough is enough already.  RIP and prayers to all that are affected by this tragedy:

 

Yes. The Internet and computers boss. 

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

 

Create a database that keeps track of the movements of all Muslims and where they pray.  Make them prove they have no radical influences or thoughts whatsoever before they can move here.  Also, before a Muslim can buy a pressure cooker in the first place he/she has to pass a Psychological evaluation.

 

At least it's something.  What we can't do is nothing.  Enough is enough already.  RIP and prayers to all that are affected by this tragedy:

 

Seen some things he had a Facebook group for Syrian Resistance, and some mentions of ISIS and so on. 

[Justice]

1 minute ago, LeviF91 said:

 

Create a database that keeps track of the movements of all Muslims and where they pray.  Make them prove they have no radical influences or thoughts whatsoever before they can move here.  Also, before a Muslim can buy a pressure cooker in the first place he/she has to pass a Psychological evaluation.

 

At least it's something.  What we can't do is nothing.  Enough is enough already.  RIP and prayers to all that are affected by this tragedy:

 

That’s cool. I get it. I really do. But you want to know what? I’m down with that if white people are down with it too. You like to sit up on your high horse and act like you’re the good guys. Newsflash bro. There isn’t a more violent race than the whites. 

[Teddy KGB]

17 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Poor gun nuts 

 

Can you stop quoting me ?   I don’t have a GED interpreter. 

 

Kids hit other kids and throw desks and the higher ups are encouraged to not suspend them. 

 

As as far as guns go, I want a few, you have protect yourself from people like Mr. Cruz.  

[Justice]

1 minute ago, Commonsense said:

Seen some things he had a Facebook group for Syrian Resistance, and some mentions of ISIS and so on. 

Follow the playbook. That didn’t take long. 

 

1. Prayers

2. Not the time to talk about gun control 

3. He’s crazy (if white)

4. He saw some things on ISIS on the internet 

5. Do nothing 

6. Repeat 

[boyst]

1 minute ago, Justice said:

That’s cool. I get it. I really do. But you want to know what? I’m down with that if white people are down with it too. You like to sit up on your high horse and act like you’re the good guys. Newsflash bro. There isn’t a more violent race than the whites. 

Blacks gotta register for KFC.  A database for buying watermelon on food stamps.  And Newports.

 

Mexicans cannot get Goya without proper licensing.

 

Asians are banned from driving in fast lane.

 

Canadians must speak with English before coming in to this country.

 

Californians must be able to find Iowa on a map before voting.

 

 

I like this bigotry of yours 

[Bob in Mich]

6 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

 

Create a database that keeps track of the movements of all Muslims and where they pray.  Make them prove they have no radical influences or thoughts whatsoever before they can move here.  Also, before a Muslim can buy a pressure cooker in the first place he/she has to pass a Psychological evaluation.

 

At least it's something.  What we can't do is nothing.  Enough is enough already.  RIP and prayers to all that are affected by this tragedy:

 

 

...and you're proud of that post?  Seriously?

[LeviF]

Just now, Justice said:

That’s cool. I get it. I really do. But you want to know what? I’m down with that if white people are down with it too. You like to sit up on your high horse and act like you’re the good guys. Newsflash bro. There isn’t a more violent race than the whites. 

 

lol, yeah, whites are more violent because they managed to conquer the world despite making up a relatively small fraction of the population.  Whatever dude.  To me, this ain't about race.

 

I'm glad the point of my post wasn't completely lost on you, but your conclusion is sad to me.  I want all American citizens to enjoy the rights preserved for them in the Constitution, including any that happen to be Muslims.  Stripping people's rights is always bad.

[Dorkington]

The "easy" solution would be an aggressive gun ban. That'd take a lot of guns out of circulation. There'd still be a lot of 'illegal' guns, but it'd be a start. But that's not going to happen until we as a society agree to it, and we certainly don't at the moment. If we keep the same amount of firearms, the only way to lower the amount of these situations, is to have some comprehensive changes on the social safety net side of things, AND a general societal change where we are kinder to each other. And, again, neither of those are going to be changed anytime soon. 

 

So... thoughts and prayers it is. It sucks. It really !@#$ing sucks. But it's the price of "freedom", I guess. 

 

https://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9444417/gun-violence-united-states-america

 

Some info on America's gun "problem" relative to other parts of the world. 

Edited February 15, 2018 by Dorkington

[boyst]

Just now, Justice said:

Follow the playbook. That didn’t take long. 

 

1. Prayers

2. Not the time to talk about gun control 

3. He’s crazy (if white)

4. He saw some things on ISIS on the internet 

5. Do nothing 

6. Repeat 

1. Tweets

2. Not the time to talk mental health and teen hardships

3. He's crazy (if white (if black, blame whites))

4. He saw something on YouTube 

5. Bully and ignore him

6. Repeat, ignore mental health

 

You're an idiot 

 

1 minute ago, Dorkington said:

The "easy" solution would be an aggressive gun ban. That'd take a lot of guns out of circulation. There'd still be a lot of 'illegal' guns, but it'd be a start. But that's not going to happen until we as a society agree to it, and we certainly don't at the moment. If we keep the same amount of firearms, the only way to lower the amount of these situations, is to have some comprehensive changes on the social safety net side of things, AND a general societal change where we are kinder to each other. And, again, neither of those are going to be changed anytime soon. 

 

So... thoughts and prayers it is. It sucks. It really !@#$ing sucks. But it's the price of "freedom", I guess. 

How does a gun ban take guns away?  Wanna take my guns (which I don't own any). Come ory them from my cold dead hands 

[Justice]

1 minute ago, Boyst62 said:

Blacks gotta register for KFC.  A database for buying watermelon on food stamps.  And Newports.

 

Mexicans cannot get Goya without proper licensing.

 

Asians are banned from driving in fast lane.

 

Canadians must speak with English before coming in to this country.

 

Californians must be able to find Iowa on a map before voting.

 

 

I like this bigotry of yours 

Lol. I’m the bigot in this equation? I simply come up with an idea to limit the amount of clips and ammo that are sold and this is where you choose to take it? You’re the bigot.