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Wow that's deep. So what's your solution the gun issue?

I don't have a solution.

 

What is your solution to people shooting cops?

There are already background checks and now here in California there are going to be background checks to buy ammo. How the hell is that going to work? What they need to do is have gun permits renewed every few years with a new background check some at that time. I'd have no problem with that.

I support taking guns away from people that are involved in domestic abuse incidents

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What is your solution to people shooting cops?

 

We take everyone on death row, or anyone convicted of spousal abuse, child abuse, or making kiddie porn, or anyone in charge of making movie sequels, give them each a cop uniform, and make them wander around the inner cities for a few weeks.

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We take everyone on death row, or anyone convicted of spousal abuse, child abuse, or making kiddie porn, or anyone in charge of making movie sequels, give them each a cop uniform, and make them wander around the inner cities for a few weeks.

Inner cities? Is that where you think most of the cops were shot? Right wing media probably portrays it that way

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I don't have a solution.

 

What is your solution to people shooting cops?

 

I support taking guns away from people that are involved in domestic abuse incidents

I have no solution for cop killers other than immediately execution upon 100% verification of guilt. I do have a solution for the gun control issue which I've already mentioned. Regarding the issue with too many bad guys with weapons here's my solution. Keep my gun clean, loaded, locked up when I'm not home and plenty of target practice.

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I have no solution for cop killers other than immediately execution upon 100% verification of guilt. I do have a solution for the gun control issue which I've already mentioned. Regarding the issue with too many bad guys with weapons here's my solution. Keep my gun clean, loaded, locked up when I'm not home and plenty of target practice.

sit them with buffalo joe. Tiberius and exiled for a dinner every night.
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How about giving every LEGAL gun owner a MAGA hat so the police know they're law abiding citizens.

 

No hat means the cops can reasonably assume you're a criminal, and can respond immediately if they see a gun present.

will they be freely provided by police?
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What is this right wing media of which you speak?

Why inner cities?

I have no solution for cop killers other than immediately execution upon 100% verification of guilt. I do have a solution for the gun control issue which I've already mentioned. Regarding the issue with too many bad guys with weapons here's my solution. Keep my gun clean, loaded, locked up when I'm not home and plenty of target practice.

As in a jury verdict? Ya, that's infallible! Look at this jury, I'm sure it will help ease tensions between the police and those that distrust them

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/jury-says-it-s-deadlocked-trial-officer-who-shot-walter-n691291

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Not sure if this belongs in the Guns thread or the Islamic Terrorism thread, but I'll put it here because it's in line with the Lefty's wanting to hold gun makers and gun dealers liable for shootings.

 

Victims of the Orlando Massacre are suing Facebook, Twitter, and Google for providing material support to the ISIL

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/12/19/facebook-twitter-google-sued-orlando-shooting-victims-families/95634736/

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Not sure if this belongs in the Guns thread or the Islamic Terrorism thread, but I'll put it here because it's in line with the Lefty's wanting to hold gun makers and gun dealers liable for shootings.

 

Victims of the Orlando Massacre are suing Facebook, Twitter, and Google for providing material support to the ISIL

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/12/19/facebook-twitter-google-sued-orlando-shooting-victims-families/95634736/

 

Well yeah sure, that makes sense. :rolleyes:

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Obama Administration Yanks Second Amendment Rights from SSI Recipients

by Liz Sheld

 

Last week, the Obama administration put the finishing touches on a new policy that would deprive recipients of disability insurance and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) of their Second Amendment rights. The administration will now characterize those citizens as "mental defectives," thereby having their ability to own a firearm subject to the federal Gun Control Act.

Supplemental Security Income helps blind, disabled, and elderly people with little to no income. Previously, it was understood that "mentally defective" referred to one's mental health. Citizens who have been institutionalized against their will are restricted from owning a firearm. The new definition of "mentally defective" has nothing to do with being mentally ill.

The Social Security Administration released its final decision after a period of open comments that drew more than 91,000 responses

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For example, the SSA did not attempt to answer most of the legal questions raised about its authority, instead deferring to an overbroad and problematic ATF regulation defining who counts under the federal Gun Control Act as a “mental defective” and to Department of Justice guidance on reporting. The SSA did not explain why, some two decades after the federal background check system came online, it was reversing its earlier determination about its reporting responsibilities and only now asserting a mandate to do so.

 

Incredibly, the SSA also brushed aside empirical evidence the NRA submitted suggesting that the proposed rule would have no public safety benefit. “We are not attempting to imply a connection between mental illness and a propensity for violence, particularly gun violence,” the SSA wrote. “Rather, we are complying with our obligations under the NIAA, which require us to provide information from our records when an individual falls within one of the categories identified in 18 U.S.C. 922(g).” This would seem to be the very definition of the sort of arbitrary and capricious rulemaking prohibited by the Administrative Procedures Act.

 

Most notably, the new rule does not make clear how an individual could appeal the agency's decision to deny Second Amendment rights. Writes the NRA, "The rule would not provide those subject to its terms the ability to defend their suitability to possess firearms before the actual loss of rights took place. In other words, it offers no due process on the question of losing Second Amendment rights."

Instead, a victim of the new regulations would have to petition for his constitutional right to own a gun because he poses no threat to the public safety. Has it even been established that SSI recipients are responsible for the "gun violence" the administration has been targeting? Do we know what percentage of gun criminals are on SSI?

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/12/28/obama-admin-yanks-2a-rights-from-ssi-recipients//?singlepage=true

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Mark S • 3 hours ago

This rule is similar to an administrative ruling the VA made for vets who appoint a fiduciary representative to handle their affairs. They, too, are considered mental defectives and reported to the NICS as prohibited persons who cannot possess guns or ammo. The logic is "Gee, if you cannot manage your VA benefits, you're not mentally competent to own a gun." It included people like my Korean War vet Dad who wanted to appoint me because he was not mobile enough to get to and from the VA and had reached a point in his life where he no longer wanted to deal with VA's stupid forms and bureaucracy. Of course, the do-nothing Republican Congress complained about this rule, beat their chests, pulled their hair, told everyone how bad this was and asked for a $ to support their re-election, but in the end, they did nothing. That will probably happen with the social security rule. A 2012 estimate is that the VA ruling affects around 125,000 vets. It's anybody's guess how many people are affected by the social security rule change, but I've read estimates as high as 4 million.

 

 

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