SoTier Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 17 hours ago, H2o said: If I trade our 1st next year it would have to be for MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze.None of them will make it to 17 or 18. Absolutely agree. At the Bills' talent level, they need players who will make significant impact even as rookies. MHJ, Nabers and Odunze are the guys most likely to be studs from the get-go. They are significantly better than the rest of a very deep WR class where potential good WRs are likely to be available even in the second round. If a team can't move up high enough to get one of the very top guys, what's the point of spending next year's first when sitting tight or trading up only a couple of spots can yield a WR of about the same caliber of any other WR they could get at #17 or #18? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 18 hours ago, H2o said: If I trade our 1st next year it would have to be for MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze.None of them will make it to 17 or 18. The draft always surprises you. DK Metcalf was a sure fire 1st Round pick in the 1st half of the round...and yet he fell down to the 2nd half of the 2nd round. You never know who will fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 You only trade a future first-round pick to move up for one position - and it isn't WR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 At this point Beane's been at this for 6 years of drafts. The only reason why we've had an above-average WR corps on our team is because of Diggs, and Beane paid top-shelf money for Diggs. At this point in the game he needs to own the situation as such. He's got at least a mild cap issue, of which Diggs, whom many say is finished as a #1, is a significant part of, particularly if he is finished. We haven't drafted anything but a top #3 WR on Beane's watch, and that's Davis whom few like. Who knows who's driving the bus on final-say for our drafts, but at this point, get it done or find someone that can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 IMHO...Absolutely not in this draft. You said top 5 WR, I know who 4 of them are...MHJ, Nabers, Odunze, Thomas...but who is 5? That is a highly debatable 5th guy...is it Mitchell who has off the chart traits, but for some reason the on field production doesn't match? Is it Worthy who runs fast but is built like a stick figure at 6'1 and 165 pounds who most question can even be a WR1 at the next level or is better suited for a WR2 role. Is it Leggette who some don't even have ranked in the top 10 who has high upside but also probably the lowest floor? See that is the issue...if you are talking about a first round pick, it needs to be for a slam dunk elite prospect, and that really comes down to MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze...maybe Thomas. But Thomas should be able to be had for less than a first round pick type move up too and is possible could still get to us at 28 without a trade up. Honestly, after the top 4 guys, the rest get muddled together from 5-11 and are more about how different people see each one. Really the top 10 WR's in this draft all have legit WR1 potential and would have cases for the first round in several other drafts, and probably 2-4 of them will also be first rounders this draft. That next group is in no particular order: Mitchell, Worthy, McConkey, Leggette, Coleman, Franklin, Pearsall. How anyone ranks that group will vary greatly person to person...and the fact remains that most of those guys will be on the board at 28 not requiring us to spend a first round pick to go get. To give up a first to get one would be worse than doing it get Sammy Watkins as we are not even getting the top WR prospect, we are using a future first to get at best the 5th best WR prospect who may be the 8th best WR prospect on someone elses board. So unless we are getting one of the big 3, its an awful trade. And even if we do get one of the big 3, it still makes no sense when so many very good prospects remain, not to mention all the talent that will come out of this draft on day 2 and 3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 There is essentially no need to do so, we can get an acceptable WR at 28 in this draft, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 10 hours ago, Sweats said: The only player i would throw draft picks on is MHJ......if that's out of the realm of possibility, then you just let it go and let the draft come to you. Interesting take on Harrison and Nabors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 4 hours ago, mushypeaches said: You only trade a future first-round pick to move up for one position - and it isn't WR That’s an antiquated way of thinking. The salary cap has changed that. With WRs now getting $30M annually, you can no longer afford to pay a top QB AND top WR. You need to get elite WRs on rookie deals (especially with the 5th year option). Pass rushers are similar too. You NOW do trade future 1sts for elite players at those positions (see Anderson, Will). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 only for Ricky Williams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 What are your thoughts on trading up for a WR in this draft? 2024 is supposed to be loaded. Like in 2014. 2014 Bills trade #9 (2014) and 2015 1st and 4th to move up to #4 to take Sammy Watkins. 2014 remaining class #7 - Mike Evans #12 - OBJ #20 - Brandin Cooks #28 - Kelvin Benjamin #39 - Marquise Lee #42 - Jordan Matthews #45 - Paul Richardson #53 - Davante Adams #56 - Cody Latimore #61 - Allen Robinson #63 - Jarvis Landry Stacked 2 rounds there. I think 2024 will yield similar results. Value throughout the 2nd, even if we don't hit round 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Seems like this is the 3rd or 4th thread covering this topic. There’s not even threads on other positions really, its all WR, WR, WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Just now, Brand J said: Seems like this is the 3rd or 4th thread covering this topic. There’s not even threads on other positions really, its all WR, WR, WR. My guy is Johnny Newton. But, I will admit it's hard to stay away from all the WR train talk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Just on the front page of the board, we have: We are set at WR. Maybe we’ll grab one in Round 6 After yesterday who is your WR pick at 28? Poll: Would you trade our 2025 1st round pick to move up in this draft to get a top WR? Is drafting Diggs replacement a priority in this draft? Marvin Harrison Junior wants to be a Bill 2024 WR Draft Class And now yours: Trading up for a WR? Talk about WR fatigue! Let’s hear about some of these other positions. How does Chop Robinson compare to Micah Parsons or Dwight Freeney for example? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Wait, we traded up for Sammy Watkins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 How many threads do we need about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 6 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: How many threads do we need about this? I mean Beane said today on Pat MacAfee's show we'd take 11 WRs, so I'd say 11 threads! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Absolutely not unless one of the Big 3 receivers somehow fell past 10 the Bills are at the phase where they need the picks to backfill what they lose in free agency and the more picks the merrier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 2 words: Sammy Flat Earth Watkins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/25/2024 at 7:38 PM, H2o said: If I trade our 1st next year it would have to be for MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze.None of them will make it to 17 or 18. /thread I’d happily do it for one of them - especially MJH or Nabors - but not for anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 10 hours ago, Kaenon said: What are your thoughts on trading up for a WR in this draft? 2024 is supposed to be loaded. Like in 2014. 2014 Bills trade #9 (2014) and 2015 1st and 4th to move up to #4 to take Sammy Watkins. 2014 remaining class #7 - Mike Evans #12 - OBJ #20 - Brandin Cooks #28 - Kelvin Benjamin #39 - Marquise Lee #42 - Jordan Matthews #45 - Paul Richardson #53 - Davante Adams #56 - Cody Latimore #61 - Allen Robinson #63 - Jarvis Landry Stacked 2 rounds there. I think 2024 will yield similar results. Value throughout the 2nd, even if we don't hit round 1. I could use that same list to make my argument, which is that there will be busts in this years “stacked” WR class. That’s a list of 12 players, of which only three turned out to be #1 WRs. And the best one was picked at 53. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 37 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Absolutely not unless one of the Big 3 receivers somehow fell past 10 the Bills are at the phase where they need the picks to backfill what they lose in free agency and the more picks the merrier This. No way I’m trading a 1st to move up 10 spots for the 4th or 5th best WR in a deep WR class. If it’s for one of the top 3, who all seem to be graded as studs, then I’d think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 11 hours ago, Kaenon said: What are your thoughts on trading up for a WR in this draft? 2024 is supposed to be loaded. Like in 2014. 2014 Bills trade #9 (2014) and 2015 1st and 4th to move up to #4 to take Sammy Watkins. 2014 remaining class #7 - Mike Evans #12 - OBJ #20 - Brandin Cooks #28 - Kelvin Benjamin #39 - Marquise Lee #42 - Jordan Matthews #45 - Paul Richardson #53 - Davante Adams #56 - Cody Latimore #61 - Allen Robinson #63 - Jarvis Landry Stacked 2 rounds there. I think 2024 will yield similar results. Value throughout the 2nd, even if we don't hit round 1. So instead of trading up for the best “can’t miss” WR prospect in ages, we should’ve stayed at pick 9, selected Aaron Donald, and then picked Devante Adams in the 2nd. I have a suspicion the 5th or 6th WR taken in this class will outperform two of the top 3, not only because he’ll have a better QB, but also because the talent gap isn’t as great as perceived. Stay at 28 or trade down and pick up a 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) I voted NO....However I would trade next years 1st to one of the teams with two 2nds and two 3rds....and, if there's say a Chop or QB sitting there at 28, I'm looking to trade a couple of spots to SF for one of their compensatory 3rds and taking Legette. That would give us: 31 SF 41 GB 60 88 GB 100? SF 128 133 6 picks through 4 rounds. This is the year for BB to really build a quality young core for the future. Worth no. 28 next year? Hell yeah! Edited March 27 by nosejob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 5 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: 2 words: Sammy Flat Earth Watkins I thought he was a Blues guy from the 1940s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/25/2024 at 1:38 PM, H2o said: If I trade our 1st next year it would have to be for MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze.None of them will make it to 17 or 18. Yes... this is the only way we trade our 1st. I actually think it would be worth it for any of those 3 guys as long as we aren't giving away too much more than next year's 1st. In 2011 Atlanta traded up from 27 to 6 and gave up that year's 1st, 2nd, and 4th and the following year's 1st and 4th. For me if Odunze falls to the 10ish range and we can make a similar trade that the Falcons did, but keep our 2nd this year, I would say do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) I voted yes All depends on how Beane and his team has them ranked though. If they're confident we're getting a WR1 for 5+ years, then yes , I say pull the trigger Edited March 27 by JerseyBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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