SoonerBillsFan Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 13 minutes ago, FireChans said: Choker, didn’t watch, choker, choker. or, alternatively, not as good as the other all time greats x 4. Unsurprisingly, part of approaching the best ever is playing your best in the biggest moments. You mean like giving your team the lead TWICE in less then 2 minutes only to have your moron for a HC not be able to defend for 13 seconds? I'm done responding to your trolling. Edited March 21 by SoonerBillsFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 The comments in this thread are embarrassing. He's as good or better than Mahomes? Josh is good enough so he doesn't have to work harder? What planet are you guys living on? This is the kind of thread that gets posted on other forums and those fans laugh at how delusional we are. The only thing Josh Allen has ever won in his life was a few division titles and the Idaho Potato Bowl. Get it together, you are embarrassing yourselves with your acceptance of mediocrity. 2 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I have just always hated thst they equate HOF caliber/ franchise QB with Superbowl wins. Allen is a damn good example as was Tarkenton, Marino etal. Allen has played damn well in the playoffs, but the team just couldn't seal the deal. I’m not saying Allen isn’t a franchise QB. I’m not saying he’s not a HoF QB. Hell, I think Allen is WAY better than Kelly, and he has less playoff accomplishments. I’m saying until he wins a Super Bowl, he’s not going to be mentioned alongside Brady, Mahomes, Manning etc. And those guys winning multiple, some with multiple teams, is what separates themselves from Marino and Tarkenton and Allen. That’s it. Edited March 21 by FireChans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Just now, KDIGGZ said: The comments in this thread are embarrassing. He's as good or better than Mahomes? Josh is good enough so he doesn't have to work harder? What planet are you guys living on? This is the kind of thread that gets posted on other forums and those fans laugh at how delusional we are. The only thing Josh Allen has ever won in his life was a few division titles and the Idaho Potato Bowl. Get it together, you are embarrassing yourselves with your acceptance of mediocrity. The bolded is....well, it's somethin'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 The only upside of this thread is I got to put two trolls on the ignore list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said: The comments in this thread are embarrassing. He's as good or better than Mahomes? Josh is good enough so he doesn't have to work harder? What planet are you guys living on? This is the kind of thread that gets posted on other forums and those fans laugh at how delusional we are. The only thing Josh Allen has ever won in his life was a few division titles and the Idaho Potato Bowl. Get it together, you are embarrassing yourselves with your acceptance of mediocrity. I wonder if TBD existed with the 4 straight SB team, folks would be posting in year 5 that Kelly is the best QB in football and he didn’t need to work on anything. Hell, maybe a lot of folks did feel that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 15 minutes ago, FireChans said: Marino might be one of the best QB’s ever to never win. But that’s a big asterisk and a reason why no one says, “it’s him and Brady as the two GOAT QBs.” Because that’s laughable. Marino couldn’t get by Kelly, who you labeled a choker. Guess it really is a team game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 43 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Top 2 qb in the league. Without him the Bills are nowhere. Who cares otherwise. Why realize your full potential? Hoooooooooray for Hollywood. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: You mean like giving your team the lead TWICE in less then 2 minutes only to have your moron for a HC not be able to defend for 13 seconds? I'm done responding to your trolling. This may surprise you, but that wasn’t the Super Bowl. Agreed that was a bad loss and Allen deserves little heat for it. Brady and Mahomes have had bad playoff losses and still seem to manage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 minute ago, FireChans said: I’m not saying Allen isn’t a franchise QB. I’m not saying he’s not a HoF QB. Hell, I think Allen is WAY better than Kelly, and he has less playoff accomplishments. I’m saying until he wins a Super Bowl, he’s not going to be mentioned alongside Brady, Mahomes, Manning etc. And those guys winning multiple, some with multiple teams, is what separates themselves from Marino and Tarkenton and Allen. That’s it. THAT is a fair take. SB champions get talked about way more, because titles are a bigger part of NFL history. But that isn't as relevant to which QB's are actually better. I give Mahomes full props - but I just don't think he's significantly better than Allen. From my POV, I'd still take Allen over Mahomes. We still would have botched 13 seconds with Mahomes as our QB. Et al. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: The only upside of this thread is I got to put two trolls on the ignore list. You’re the one that wants to get rid of Diggs at all costs right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Just by the interviews last off-season I wish he'd work more on nutrition more to prolong his career as long as possible. Other than that I don't have much to criticize as we really don't know how much he does to improve his game each off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Just now, HurlyBurly51 said: Marino couldn’t get by Kelly, who you labeled a choker. Guess it really is a team game. Kelly waited a bit longer to choke. 2 TD’s and 7 picks in four Superbowls? Woof. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Nope. Slacks like a mofo. Cut him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 minute ago, Success said: THAT is a fair take. SB champions get talked about way more, because titles are a bigger part of NFL history. But that isn't as relevant to which QB's are actually better. I give Mahomes full props - but I just don't think he's significantly better than Allen. From my POV, I'd still take Allen over Mahomes. We still would have botched 13 seconds with Mahomes as our QB. Et al. I don’t believe that you believe that. Rank these 3 QB’s. Brady, Mahomes, Marino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 minute ago, FireChans said: I don’t believe that you believe that. Rank these 3 QB’s. Brady, Mahomes, Marino. Believe what? That QB's aren't necessarily measured by titles? Brady Mahomes Marino 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 minute ago, FireChans said: I don’t believe that you believe that. Rank these 3 QB’s. Brady, Mahomes, Marino. Is aikman better than Rodgers Ffs be better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Marino was a better pure passer than anyone who has ever played (imo). But he could not run or scramble. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Three things are guaranteed in life - death, taxes, and @FireChans making an appearance in a negative Josh thread. Just a matter of time before the rest of the skeptics show up. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 With this fanbase this question: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 52 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Let me start by saying I come in peace! Just having a conversation here. I know this is kind of a negative Josh post. What do you think? Does it matter to you if he doesn’t train or work on his game as much as he use to? I mean, none of us knows exactly how hard Josh works in the off season, right? Anyone here his neighbor on Dana Point? Walk Jordan Palmer's dog? Stake out the parking lot outside Chris Hess' business? Got motion activated cameras on all the HS and college fields within reasonable driving distance? Don't forget to put some kind of high tech bit logger on his internet so you can tell if he's breaking down football film, or gaming. So let me get this straight - you want to start with a topic where no one here knows ***** about how Josh works now vs. how he used to work. Then you want to have us all wildly speculate, and call it a conversation? That's it? That's what's going on here? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Is aikman better than Rodgers Ffs be better Unironically, he might be, yes. Rodgers has the regular season. Zero question. Aikman was absolutely clutch in the postseason and played much better in the postseason than his mediocre regular seasons. Hard to find a great stat to encapsulate this via different eras, but Rodgers passer rating dropped 2 points from regular season to postseason play. Aikman’s went up by 7. I kinda lean towards Aikman being an Eli type QB who got hot but I think there’s an argument there. Aikman is certainly far better than a lot of guys in his era, including Kelly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He has said this That he stopped doing as much because he believes the difference between himself and Pat Mahomes is a coin flip? Baloney. Receipts or it never happened. 15 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: The only upside of this thread is I got to put two trolls on the ignore list. What took you so long? Edited March 21 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 8 minutes ago, Success said: Believe what? That QB's aren't necessarily measured by titles? Brady Mahomes Marino I think we all put a little weight on it. Like you said, it doesn’t make Dilfer better than Marino but for the upper echelon of the upper echelon, it does matter, even if it’s just a little bit. 7 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Three things are guaranteed in life - death, taxes, and @FireChans making an appearance in a negative Josh thread. Just a matter of time before the rest of the skeptics show up. QB rankings are always so fun to talk about. I’m like a moth to the flame, what can I say? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 44 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They just won the Super Bowl last month. Is your metric for how hard someone is working in the off season, what they post on social media? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 20 minutes ago, FireChans said: I’m saying until he wins a Super Bowl, he’s not going to be mentioned alongside Brady, Mahomes, Manning etc. I disagree. He’ll be mentioned as equal, if not better, than those guys…among most of the mafia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Let me start by saying I come in peace! Just having a conversation here. I know this is kind of a negative Josh post. What do you think? Does it matter to you if he doesn’t train or work on his game as much as he use to? Josh Said something in his (I believe) EOY presser about changing some of his offseason habits this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 2 minutes ago, 90sBills said: I disagree. He’ll be mentioned as equal, if not better, than those guys…among most of the mafia. That’s probably true. like those sad Dolphins fans that think Marino is equal if not better than those guys as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 44 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It was in him though. He worked like crazy the first 3 offseason’s. He's been beat up the last couple years. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bills told him to relax in the offseason. As soon as Bills workouts start he’ll be here. But I don’t think he’s working with Jordan Palmer as much as he did. That strive to improve his game is definitely there as it is in most athletes. The difference is sustaining that drive regardless of accomplishments, getting paid, complacency etc. Once he was widely recognized as elite and got paid accordingly that offseason work wane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 13 minutes ago, FireChans said: Unironically, he might be, yes. Rodgers has the regular season. Zero question. Aikman was absolutely clutch in the postseason and played much better in the postseason than his mediocre regular seasons. Hard to find a great stat to encapsulate this via different eras, but Rodgers passer rating dropped 2 points from regular season to postseason play. Aikman’s went up by 7. I kinda lean towards Aikman being an Eli type QB who got hot but I think there’s an argument there. Aikman is certainly far better than a lot of guys in his era, including Kelly. There's no easy way to say this but in a thread full of bad takes this may be the worst 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 30 minutes ago, Billl said: Seems like they’re usually won by whatever team had Brady or Mahomes at QB. They are the leaders of the dynasty's. But I think even you would admit that this last one wouldn't have happened without the stellar play of guys like Chris Jones and Trent McDuffie on Defense in that game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 I love Josh…I believe he hasn’t hit his ceiling yet. He’s capable of more, even now. Let’s hope he strives to reach that height. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Pathetic attempt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 11 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Is your metric for how hard someone is working in the off season, what they post on social media? The fact that their qb has already met and worked out with their newly signed receiver just weeks after winning yet another Superbowl does say something about their culture and mentality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Apparently he’s been really losing himself, going out on dates and his pants even ripping. Here is a picture of him out to eat recently: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: There's no easy way to say this but in a thread full of bad takes this may be the worst Saying that Aikman was basically Kirk Cousins might be paying Troy a compliment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Allen was better than Mahomes last year Aaron Rodgers was better than Brady many years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 21 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: There's no easy way to say this but in a thread full of bad takes this may be the worst There’s a lot more that goes into being a great QB than just being a great passer. Rodgers is a terrible leader. He’s closer to Jay Cutler IRT leadership with better arm talent and prefers to protect his ungodly TD/INT ratio over winning football games. I guess I shouldn’t be so harsh to our future VP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Pretty sure Allen has the most playoff TDs/game and lowest playoff INT% in NFL history so no he literally cannot be better You know what will make the difference? A defensive tackle at pick #28 in April. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: Top 2 qb in the league. Without him the Bills are nowhere. Who cares otherwise. Just gonna completely ignore the reason the thread was created hey? Great post. Yes. Josh works hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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