Logic Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 At $17 million per year, I'm definitely glad we didn't do it. I understand that he would have materially improved our defensive front, but...I don't need to see any more major contracts handed out to 30+ year old d-linemen, especially those coming off two straight years of leg injuries. Hopefully Beane takes the money not spent and gets a legit safety or two instead. 6 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said: The feeling I get is that Armstead was a special circumstance. A guy who made it known he was interested in coming here based on his Wife. We hoped with his interest we could get him on a good price, albeit one a little higher than we'd normally pay. When it became clear he was going to get paid (which I always expected) - we were out. I wouldn't expect us to be in the market for someone similar and especially not if it would cost us a Draft Pick, though I could be wrong. I will say though, as I said from the beginning, if Armstead was a serious consideration - than we should be in on a starting quality Wide Receiver or a Safety like Simmons. We'll see if we pivot elsewhere or not. It would be annoying if it was Armstead or bust. But it wouldn't surprise me. indeed. Go get Simmons and Curtis Samuel or take a swing to trade for a WR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Armstead: can you match that? Beane: 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I believe that the Bills were interested -- and probably did tell Armstead to come back with any offer he received from another team. However, there is simply no way Beane could (or should) have matched that offer that Jacksonville made. This is probably a situation similar to when the WR came in during the Buddy Nix era -- was it Brandon Lloyd? -- who was in the office literally working out a contract when a representative from another team called with an offer. When Buddy heard the terms the other team was offering, he immediately stopped proceedings and told the player and his agent -- "You better take that deal with the other team because there is no way we can match it..." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Good luck to him and see him in 3 years when he's looking for a 1 year vet min lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 20 minutes ago, Process said: Will need to see details but yea this is a very easy pass. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Undeniable that the Bills need more star power on the roster, but 17 million a year is a lot to spend with Miller still on the books. It sucks though that Buffalo isn’t attractive to FA with amenities. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Samuel >>>> Armstead all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: indeed. Go get Simmons and Curtis Samuel or take a swing to trade for a WR Got 1!!!!! Thanks Beane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: Got 1!!!!! Thanks Beane I don't think it's a coincidence that this didn't come to fruition until Armstead was off the table. I don't think we could have made Armstead AND Samuel happen. It goes back to what I was saying from the get go on this thread. If it comes down to heavily investing into DL and putting less into WR or investing more in WR and putting less into DL - the choice was obvious IMO. I'm glad it worked out the way it did. You can still get decent guys behind Oliver and Jones without paying the bounty it would have cost for Armstead. Getting Josh help was more important. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 bUt HiS wIfE iS fRoM hOrNeLl!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I don't think it's a coincidence that this didn't come to fruition until Armstead was off the table. I don't think we could have made Armstead AND Samuel happen. It goes back to what I was saying from the get go on this thread. If it comes down to heavily investing into DL and putting less into WR or investing more in WR and putting less into DL - the choice was obvious IMO. I'm glad it worked out the way it did. You can still get decent guys behind Oliver and Jones without paying the bounty it would have cost for Armstead. Getting Josh help was more important. probably a combination of Beane being pissed off / Samuel’s price dropping enough for him to feel good about it. tough to say what would be better at the moment. Armstead is a very good playoff performer. Hopefully we can find effective DT help elsewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: probably a combination of Beane being pissed off / Samuel’s price dropping enough for him to feel good about it. tough to say what would be better at the moment. Armstead is a very good playoff performer. Hopefully we can find effective DT help elsewhere I doubt Beane was "pissed off". He's got plans for everything. He's got players he likes and prices he's willing to pay. If a player gets too much, he passes and pivots to another plan. He's not the type of guy to get emotional and just make a move just because or bank on a guy being here before terms are agreed to. The only time he's gotten "pissed off" is when McKissick agreed to terms with us and then reneged after Washington all of a sudden became interested after it was announced he was coming here. This was a matter of, in my opinion, him knowing what Samuel's tag was and was waiting on seeing if Armstead was going to happen or not. When it didn't, he said "okay, cool, I can definitely swing Samuel - pull the trigger". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 22 hours ago, GoBills808 said: If I have to spell it out for you I will We do not have a personnel problem on defense. Our defense routinely bodybags the regular season. We have a postseason coaching/philosophy problem on defense FWIW I see it differently. We have a defense that, at least in past years, relied on the whole to be greater than the sum of its parts. Without elite athletes, everyone had to know their role and how it changed with the post-snap moves, which is indeed a matter of scheme and coaching. That choked the chicken of lesser teams and talents, but it allows elite players on the opponent's offense to exploit our tendencies and break big plays now and again. Without elite defenders, we occasionally got exposed. I personally think the solution is to invest in top talent playmakers on offense so we're not settling for 3 against the top teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 I'm choosing to believe a version of events where Beane could have beat Jacksonville's offer, but doing so would have cost us Curtis Samuel so he chose not to. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: I'm choosing to believe a version of events where Beane could have beat Jacksonville's offer, but doing so would have cost us Curtis Samuel so he chose not to. Possible other need's on Bill's as well. I'd rather have it this way signing Samuel and whatever goes on rest of the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills! Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: indeed. Go get Simmons and Curtis Samuel or take a swing to trade for a WR Done told bean your ideas we took Samuel… any other ideas you want me to relay while on pegulas yacht? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Jacksonville having the kind of offseason that will be very disappointing in January 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Oh well. Yeah, as I said, just too expensive at this stage of his career. Bills can re-visit this in 24 months when the Jags release him to save cap space. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawning Frog Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) On 3/14/2024 at 10:21 AM, Gregg said: Isn't his wife a WNY girl. If so, you know the deal.... happy wife happy life. Granted the Bills have to be in the ballpark $$$$ wise but I would say they have a shot here. told you so Edited March 15 by Yawning Frog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) Over $15m year, older player & a high injury risk. We dodged a bullet. We already have Miller why double down. Edited March 15 by PayDaBill$ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Jags going all in a mid-tier guys in a make the playoffs or bust year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 3/14/2024 at 7:21 PM, BillsFanForever19 said: I don't think it's a coincidence that this didn't come to fruition until Armstead was off the table. I don't think we could have made Armstead AND Samuel happen. It goes back to what I was saying from the get go on this thread. If it comes down to heavily investing into DL and putting less into WR or investing more in WR and putting less into DL - the choice was obvious IMO. I'm glad it worked out the way it did. You can still get decent guys behind Oliver and Jones without paying the bounty it would have cost for Armstead. Getting Josh help was more important. in the end thats too much money for him period. But the market does what it will Bills could not should not have matched. and Hello Curtis 🤩 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Beane had a verbal agreement with him and then he went dark and signed with Jax the next day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 29 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Beane had a verbal agreement with him and then he went dark and signed with Jax the next day. Interesting. Where did you hear this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 This morning from a friend who knows Beane VERY well. He sees him multiple times a week and apparently he was pretty pissed when this deal fell through. Armstead just went totally dark after the verbal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 31 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: This morning from a friend who knows Beane VERY well. He sees him multiple times a week and apparently he was pretty pissed when this deal fell through. Armstead just went totally dark after the verbal. The agreement was that Buffalo could match the deal right… They essentially had last dibs on a contract was the report… Maybe he knew Buffalo wouldn’t match it and didn’t waste their time. I mean let’s say he does and Jacksonville say “never mind”. Loses out on potentially his last big pay day. No way were we ever paying that price for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 minute ago, BBFL said: The agreement was that Buffalo could match the deal right… They essentially had last dibs on a contract was the report… Maybe he knew Buffalo wouldn’t match it and didn’t waste their time. Not sure but he was pissed after the deal with Jax went through. That leads me to believe that he would have matched it but never had the chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Not sure but he was pissed after the deal with Jax went through. That leads me to believe that he would have matched it but never had the chance. worked out better for this place. There would have been food fights if we paid him 17m a year we may not have gotten Samuel if we paid Arik 17M per. Whatever, guy didn't want to be here. Have fun on the Jaguars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 3 hours ago, BuffaloBaumer said: This morning from a friend who knows Beane VERY well. He sees him multiple times a week and apparently he was pretty pissed when this deal fell through. Armstead just went totally dark after the verbal. If this is the case, I’m huge Armstead fan. Stop spending big money on old injury prone defensive players! Beane hasn’t had a very good track record signing FA DT’s with the exception of Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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