biggerdaddynj Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 “The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry”. Sadly, after watching the WRs go at the Combine this came right into my mind (Thomas appears to be the delineated drop off point and we ain’t sniffing his used Combine unitard … that said, the history of the league is littered with so many alleged instances of bad prognostication). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1. Diggs 2. Hollins/Rookie 3. Shakir 4. Hollins/Rookie That's the plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, BullBuchanan said: 1. Diggs 2. Hollins/Rookie 3. Shakir 4. Hollins/Rookie That's the plan. Hollins is a WR5. Brought in to play special teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, BullBuchanan said: 1. Diggs 2. Hollins/Rookie 3. Shakir 4. Hollins/Rookie That's the plan. You think they're only going to carry 4 receivers, or is that Hollins and 2 rookies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, BillMafia716ix said: Hollins is a WR5. Brought in to play special teams We'll see. We thought the same thing about Sherfield. Just now, Dr. Who said: You think they're only going to carry 4 receivers, or is that Hollins and 2 rookies? I think only 4 are likely to be active on gameday. We'll carry 5 or 6 on the roster. Shorter might be one and another late rd pick or FA could be the other 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: We'll see. We thought the same thing about Sherfield. I think only 4 are likely to be active on gameday. We'll carry 5 or 6 on the roster. Shorter might be one and another late rd pick or FA could be the other I haven't been following the entire conversation, but I know you are often a contrarian. Does this mean you doubt there is a day 1 or early day 2 pick at WR? I find that very hard to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, Dr. Who said: I haven't been following the entire conversation, but I know you are often a contrarian. Does this mean you doubt there is a day 1 or early day 2 pick at WR? I find that very hard to believe. I expect them to draft a WR or two somewhere. I'm not certain where. I could easily see them go defense in the first two rounds though. I accounted for both scenarios in my statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 11 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: 1. Diggs 2. Hollins/Rookie 3. Shakir 4. Hollins/Rookie That's the plan. 1. Diggs 2. Kincaid 3. Shakir 4. Rookie 5. Hollins 6. Rookie / speedy slot who doubles as a returner... You're forgetting that Dalton Kincaid is the team's #2 receiver. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, BullBuchanan said: I expect them to draft a WR or two somewhere. I'm not certain where. I could easily see them go defense in the first two rounds though. I accounted for both scenarios in my statement. Alright, I know their proclivities, but 2 D early would be a terrible choice. It's a great year for WR, but not so much if you push it out to day 3 before you take one. I think the odds still favor WR in the first, and if not, in the second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Motorin' said: 1. Diggs 2. Kincaid 3. Shakir 4. Rookie 5. Hollins 6. Rookie / speedy slot who doubles as a returner... You're forgetting that Dalton Kincaid is the team's #2 receiver. Dalton Kincaid is an important part of our Offense. But he's not "WR2". When we speak of WR2 - most of us are talking about the Starting Boundary WR opposite Stefon Diggs. Dalton Kincaid is not that, nor can he be. He's a Big Slot. Even if you're referring to WR2 as the second passing option outside of Diggs and taking Slot into account, his numbers were still under Gabe Davis and Khalil Shakir last season. Again, DK is very important to us. But he's definitely not WR2, any way you slice it. Edited March 13 by BillsFanForever19 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 26 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: 1. Diggs 2. Hollins/Rookie 3. Shakir 4. Hollins/Rookie That's the plan. At least can grab a wr with a top 5-10 pick in 2025 then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 14 minutes ago, Motorin' said: 1. Diggs 2. Kincaid 3. Shakir 4. Rookie 5. Hollins 6. Rookie / speedy slot who doubles as a returner... You're forgetting that Dalton Kincaid is the team's #2 receiver. No I'm not. He won't be competing for WR2. He'll take snaps away from WR3 if anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 15 minutes ago, Motorin' said: 1. Diggs 2. Kincaid 3. Shakir 4. Rookie 5. Hollins 6. Rookie / speedy slot who doubles as a returner... You're forgetting that Dalton Kincaid is the team's #2 receiver. We are not turning Kincaid into chase claypool. He is a te that can go in the slot. Not a wr2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 14 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Alright, I know their proclivities, but 2 D early would be a terrible choice. It's a great year for WR, but not so much if you push it out to day 3 before you take one. I think the odds still favor WR in the first, and if not, in the second. That's not the way Beane drafts. If all of the round 1 talent is gone by the time we draft, he wont take one just to take one. Ditto in round 2. We draft so late that the only way they can guarantee a Round 1 WR is to trade up, which is unlikely given how many needs we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, BullBuchanan said: That's not the way Beane drafts. If all of the round 1 talent is gone by the time we draft, he wont take one just to take one. Ditto in round 2. We draft so late that the only way they can guarantee a Round 1 WR is to trade up, which is unlikely given how many needs we have. We'll see. I think Beane is determined to improve the WR room, and it sure as hell isn't going to happen with free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 31 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Dalton Kincaid is an important part of our Offense. But he's not "WR2". When we speak of WR2 - most of us are talking about the Starting Boundary WR opposite Stefon Diggs. Dalton Kincaid is not that, nor can he be. He's a Big Slot. Even if you're referring to WR2 as the second passing option outside of Diggs and taking Slot into account, his numbers were still under Gabe Davis and Khalil Shakir last season. Again, DK is very important to us. But he's definitely not WR2, any way you slice it. Kincaid was targeted 10 more times than Davis last year, and the first half of the season he was being coddled. Next season he should have closer to 120 targets, and be the clear #2. And his ypr will hopefully grow. It's like how Kelce has been the clear #1 for the Chiefs since Tyreek left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfanatic8989 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 13 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: 1. Diggs 2. Hollins/Rookie 3. Shakir 4. Hollins/Rookie That's the plan. Tbh, that is not an impressive looking receiving core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 23 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: 1. Diggs 2. Hollins/Rookie 3. Shakir 4. Hollins/Rookie That's the plan. 1. Diggs 2. Kincaid 3. Rookie X 4. Curtis Samuel 5. Shakir 6. Cook 7. Knox 8. Hollins 9. Hammler? 2nd rookie? Those options to throw too look a lot more impactful than the four you mentioned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Diggs ______ Round 1 Samuel Shakir Hollins Shorter Hamler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 Glad to see Beane addressing WR in FA. I still contend and hope we add a dynamic playmaker at WR early in the draft. Someone that stretches the field but yet is strong over the middle as well. Wondering who is taking over kick off and punt returns on the roster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 23 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: 1. Diggs 2. Hollins/Rookie 3. Shakir 4. Hollins/Rookie That's the plan. 1. Rookie/UFA/Trade 2. Diggs 3. Samuel 4. Shakir 5. KJ Hamler, Shorter, Hollins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Get Mitchell or Worthy at 28 and the offense will have the best weapons for Allen in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 28 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said: 1. Rookie/UFA/Trade 2. Diggs 3. Samuel 4. Shakir 5. KJ Hamler, Shorter, Hollins Diggs is a #2? Hahahahahaha 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Stefon Diggs 1 of Thomas Jr./Mitchell/Legette Curtis Samuel Khalil Shakir Mack Hollins 1 of Shorter/Late Round/Isabella/Hamler 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Mat68 said: Get Mitchell or Worthy at 28 and the offense will have the best weapons for Allen in his career. I would bet money that our first draft pick goes to defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 9 hours ago, Big Turk said: Diggs is a #2? Hahahahahaha Yes! Hahahahahaha Over the last 12 games of the regular season and the 2 playoff games (14 games), Diggs had one game with 100 yards receiving and 3 total TDs. Bills did not have a #1 receiver for 3/4 of the 2023-2024 season. It certainly appears as if he’s not him anymore. Edited March 15 by TheWeatherMan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said: Yes! Hahahahahaha Over the last 12 games of the regular season and the 2 playoff games (14 games), Diggs had one game with 100 yards receiving and 3 total TDs. Bills did not have a #1 receiver for 3/4 of the 2023-2024 season. It certainly appears as if he’s not him anymore. Think the narrative would have changed quite a bit if Allen didn't constantly overthrow him while he was wide open just about every game. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 39 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Think the narrative would have changed quite a bit if Allen didn't constantly overthrow him while he was wide open just about every game. Constantly? I seem to remember a dime bouncing off of his hands in our 3 point playoff loss to KC. Reasonably, I think Diggs is still a #1 WR on this team and in this league. But I don’t think he’s quite what he was at his peak and he’ll be 31 this November. That’s been the about the time WRs hit their productivity cliffs. The Samuel signing is as much about having a Diggs replacement on the roster as it is filling out the WR corps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) Here is a list of available UFA WR's. I highlighted ones we could still possibly target Edited March 15 by Warriorspikes51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 it's possible Beane would be interested in adding Mike Williams on a 1 year deal Diggs M. Williams Brian Thomas Jr / Legette / Mitchell Samuel Shakir Hollins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 I’ve gone from wanting Worthy because I think he’s at least WR4 in the draft… To wanting Worthy just to see the board complain that “He’S aNoThEr SmAlL sLoT wR!” despite the facts that he plays big, runs great routes, and is consistently productive on the boundary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Please just draft a cost-controlled rookie who has strong WR1 potential. Enough with the side shows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 15 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: I’ve gone from wanting Worthy because I think he’s at least WR4 in the draft… To wanting Worthy just to see the board complain that “He’S aNoThEr SmAlL sLoT wR!” despite the facts that he plays big, runs great routes, and is consistently productive on the boundary. one thing is for sure, if we added Worthy....we become way more explosive than last year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Here is a list of available UFA WR's. I highlighted ones we could still possibly target DJ Chark might be a better player and fit than any of the names highlighted. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 38 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: DJ Chark might be a better player and fit than any of the names highlighted. Chark has a career catch rate similar to if not worse than Gabe Davis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 The Cardinals are a dumb franchise. Call them about the 4th overall pick for Harrison Jr. 28, 60, 128, 144, 2025 1st, 2026 2nd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Chark has a career catch rate similar to if not worse than Gabe Davis. and he would cost about 1/3 of what Davis just got. If you could have Davis for Chark money, he'd still be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 On 3/12/2024 at 10:24 AM, OldTimer1960 said: True, but I don’t think any team expects their 4th and 5th receivers will make much impact. I do agree that we need a bit more from those spots than we got last year (though Sherfield was fine on Special Teams). Not spending draft picks on WR at this point is criminal. It’s year f’ing 7 of Franchise QB Josh Allen’s career. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 2 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Not spending draft picks on WR at this point is criminal. It’s year f’ing 7 of Franchise QB Josh Allen’s career. I am not arguing against using a high pick on a WR. I hope that they do draft one in the first or second round and I hope the one they draft turns out to be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) On 3/14/2024 at 7:34 PM, Big Turk said: Diggs is a #2? Hahahahahaha Greg Cosell disagrees 1-drafted WR -AD Mitchell is my guess 2-Diggs Slot-Shakir 3-Samuel. 4-Hollins I think there is a great chance the Bills select two WR this draft, and possibly carry 6 WR, with the 6th spot being big WR and 4 phase special teams player and/or returner Edited March 21 by Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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