Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Honest question, did our WR’s struggle against man coverage that much this year? So much so that it was a more primary way of defending us? To my eye, I didn’t see more than normal amounts of man coverage in 2023. I would also be interested in knowing where Diggs, Kincaid and Shakir ranked in a list like this, but obviously they aren’t UFAS. It’s unsurprising Gabe was low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Curtis Samuel would be great in this O 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Gabe at #79 is bad. I wonder if he will update his video to add that stat? 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Those top 6 guys are all great additions. Best bet is Mooney in terms of value. Evans will get a sizable deal as he’s still as stud. Samuel has talent and has proven so, someone might splash the cash. Ridley did great in a prove it year after his suspension, will cash in; probably a return to JAC. Pittman and Bourne are interesting and probably sign long term deals somewhere. Mooney? Who knows. He might skate by in FA and settle or someone might give him the deal he wants. Think he’s the most budget friendly guy we could acquire out of that top group. Maybe Josh Reynolds but does he have that consistent speed or verticality on the outside that we lack? No. Tyler Boyd? Too pricey. The rest no thank you unless you bring Chark in on a vet minimum. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I wonder where Diggs falls on that list? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: I wonder where Diggs falls on that list? Would be interested further to see the first 9 weeks versus the last of the season and P/O’s… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Samuel had his best season under Joe Brady .....wait for it.....here they come those dreaded words.... IN CAROLINA NOOOOOOOOOOO 🤣 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 19 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: I wonder where Diggs falls on that list? He use to be near the top. He fell. Diggs went from 7th open score to 21st. This is WR/TE. Not too bad of a drop, but a significant drop. Diggs went from 4th overall to 67th. 😬 https://espnanalytics.com/rtm/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I'm still shaking my head that Davis is ahead of Higgins. #likewtfconfused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 20 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Samuel had his best season under Joe Brady .....wait for it.....here they come those dreaded words.... IN CAROLINA NOOOOOOOOOOO 🤣 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He use to be near the top. He fell. Diggs went from 7th open score to 21st. This is WR/TE. Not too bad of a drop, but a significant drop. Diggs went from 4th overall to 67th. 😬 https://espnanalytics.com/rtm/ Dang. He had to have been hurt. We all saw it. The drop off was there, but that's a big difference overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I'm surprised to see, according to one site, Samuel's projected numbers so low: Projected Contract: 2 years, $15.0 million, $7.5 APY, $9.0M GTD I have no idea if it's accurate but it just may be affordable by the Bills if it's backloaded. https://atozsports.com/washington/curtis-samuel-contract-projection-free-agency/#gid=ci02d5421cf000278d&pid=usatsi_22129331 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 8 minutes ago, Sweats said: I'm still shaking my head that Davis is ahead of Higgins. #likewtfconfused same 3 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said: I'm surprised to see, according to one site, Samuel's projected numbers so low: Projected Contract: 2 years, $15.0 million, $7.5 APY, $9.0M GTD I have no idea if it's accurate but it just may be affordable by the Bills if it's backloaded. https://atozsports.com/washington/curtis-samuel-contract-projection-free-agency/#gid=ci02d5421cf000278d&pid=usatsi_22129331 Spotrac has it at $11.5 M AAV, but again that's not impossible to swing if backloaded to 2026 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Samuel is my #1 target, this further supports my steadfast belief that he's a massive upgrade to #13. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 46 minutes ago, BBFL said: Those top 6 guys are all great additions. Best bet is Mooney in terms of value. Evans will get a sizable deal as he’s still as stud. Samuel has talent and has proven so, someone might splash the cash. Ridley did great in a prove it year after his suspension, will cash in; probably a return to JAC. Pittman and Bourne are interesting and probably sign long term deals somewhere. Mooney? Who knows. He might skate by in FA and settle or someone might give him the deal he wants. Think he’s the most budget friendly guy we could acquire out of that top group. Maybe Josh Reynolds but does he have that consistent speed or verticality on the outside that we lack? No. Tyler Boyd? Too pricey. The rest no thank you unless you bring Chark in on a vet minimum. I think Mooney makes the most sense on a reasonable deal under 10M/ yr. He's had garbage qb-ing over his time in Chicago. Josh would explode his numbers. But 10M or more forget it. Just draft guys. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 33 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: I always found it funny that the sister could transform into any animal form, but the brother could only change into different forms of water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 36 minutes ago, Sweats said: I'm still shaking my head that Davis is ahead of Higgins. #likewtfconfused Higgins isn’t the type that gets a ton of separation. He’s open even when covered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, FireChans said: To my eye, I didn’t see more than normal amounts of man coverage in 2023. We faced the most man coverage out of every offense in the league. I don't have the tweet handy but Cover 1 posted it a couple weeks back. It was like 35% of the time or something like that. Against man-heavy teams like the Chiefs it was a real problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Were those 72 times Gabe was “open” when the DB fell down or nobody bothered to cover him at all? 🧐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Mooney or Samuel plus a first or 2nd round WR would be great additions. Though not sure we can afford those guys. Bourne +1st round pick would also be great and perhaps more realistic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Process said: Mooney or Samuel plus a first or 2nd round WR would be great additions. Though not sure we can afford those guys. Bourne +1st round pick would also be great and perhaps more realistic. I loved Bourne as an in season trade candidate but now he's coming off an ACL tear so he's not on my short list. I will bang the drum though for Noah Brown who has similar size and skill set that Gabe does and likely a lot cheaper. Toss in he showed last year in Texas he could be a pseudo WR1 when others around him got hurt. I also like the idea taking a WR early yet more into liking taking one after round 1 as feel we need a quality DE and to me harder to find that after round 1 than a WR. I mentioned Brown and Ja'Lynn Polk in Round 2 and then taking a guy like Cornelius Johnson in Round 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) 10 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: I loved Bourne as an in season trade candidate but now he's coming off an ACL tear so he's not on my short list. I will bang the drum though for Noah Brown who has similar size and skill set that Gabe does and likely a lot cheaper. Toss in he showed last year in Texas he could be a pseudo WR1 when others around him got hurt. I also like the idea taking a WR early yet more into liking taking one after round 1 as feel we need a quality DE and to me harder to find that after round 1 than a WR. I mentioned Brown and Ja'Lynn Polk in Round 2 and then taking a guy like Cornelius Johnson in Round 5. Eh even off an ACL I like him as a cheap #4/5 with a history of production. Def not a starter. That's assuming they think he'll be ready to start the season. That's s big question mark. If not than forget it. Brown is a good option as well. Edited February 22 by Process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He use to be near the top. He fell. Diggs went from 7th open score to 21st. This is WR/TE. Not too bad of a drop, but a significant drop. Diggs went from 4th overall to 67th. 😬 https://espnanalytics.com/rtm/ those are different analytic processes. pff was one version and espn was something else. based on targets or something i forgot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: Samuel is my #1 target, this further supports my steadfast belief that he's a massive upgrade to #13. he’s 27. 5’11 which is taller than I expected to see and ran a 4.3 40. His floor is an instant upgrade from Sherfield 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: he’s 27. 5’11 which is taller than I expected to see and ran a 4.3 40. His floor is an instant upgrade from Sherfield Sherfield? He’d be our Gabe Davis replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Sherfield? He’d be our Gabe Davis replacement. would prefer him to be WR3 Diggs Rookie Samuel Shakir (mostly slot) Rookie Shorter it looks like he did have an impressive season under Brady with 851 receiving and 200 rushing Edited February 22 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 16 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: would prefer him to be WR3 Diggs Rookie Samuel Shakir (mostly slot) Rookie Shorter it looks like he did have an impressive season under Brady with 851 receiving and 200 rushing 60% o Samuel's snaps that year were in the slot, if we sign him we'd have to kick Shakir outside, not sure that's the best way to use him since he excelled in slot last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 14 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: would prefer him to be WR3 Diggs Rookie Samuel Shakir (mostly slot) Rookie Shorter it looks like he did have an impressive season under Brady with 851 receiving and 200 rushing Yeah. That would be a nice group, especially with Kincaid and Cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 1 minute ago, The Jokeman said: 60% o Samuel's snaps that year were in the slot, if we sign him we'd have to kick Shakir outside, not sure that's the best way to use him since he excelled in slot last year. I think they’d be interchangeable. He and Shakir would be similar roles though. Bills might be looking for straight field stretchers. I wouldn’t be shocked if they draft 2 sprinters. Samuel is more of a horizontal WR. Get the ball in his hands. I don’t really know enough about Brady. As OC in Buffalo he was very much horizontal with his play calling. A lot of WR screens. Samuel fits that more than even Diggs does. So does Shakir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 If you want to find the guys that have the greatest value in impacting a playoff game, just look at the data for December onwards. After our last two playoff exits, I'm more convinced that when evaluating free agents and college players, you eliminate the first 1-2 months of play and evaluate their performance once they are tired and injured. You don't want to spend money on the September stats machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I think we are getting too caught up in slot vs wide, WR2 vs WR3, etc. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 4 hours ago, Sweats said: I'm still shaking my head that Davis is ahead of Higgins. #likewtfconfused Higgins is more of a contested catch guy than a separation guy though. Seems to make sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostbite Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 19 hours ago, Sweats said: I'm still shaking my head that Davis is ahead of Higgins. #likewtfconfused Higgins was battling injuries this year so that played a factor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 20 hours ago, BBFL said: Would be interested further to see the first 9 weeks versus the last of the season and P/O’s… After 10/15, which is week 6 he fell off, but yeah I agree with your point 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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