BillsFanForever19 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Everyone's torching Coleman for his 40. Meanwhile, they show that he ran the gauntlet faster and smoother than anyone else. Timed speed and play speed are two different beasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Mitchell to me is an example of why the combine is dangerous for evaluation. Suddenly because of his 40 time he is a 1st round talent. But everything I've read and watched on him shows that he is an inconsistent route runner and struggles against press coverage and isn't a particularly high-effort player. Very impressive 40 time but it changes nothing. The tape doesn't lie. Greg Cosell watched the same tape, and came to different conclusions. He's ahead of Coleman for me. I liked Mitchell before the Combine. I liked him when he was at UGA, for that matter. He's a big game player, and we could use that. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: Everyone's torching Coleman for his 40. Meanwhile, they show that he ran the gauntlet faster and smoother than anyone else. Timed speed and play speed are two different beasts. yes, but he also showed no regard for the sideline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) 14 minutes ago, JMM said: Deebo vibes!!! Would he fall to us in second? Probably not. Moulds/Deebo/AJ Brown vibes. You take him at 28 no questions asked. Edited March 2 by TheBeaneBandit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Everyone's torching Coleman for his 40. Meanwhile, they show that he ran the gauntlet faster and smoother than anyone else. Timed speed and play speed are two different beasts. Yep. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Diggs's combine performance in 2015. LOL at 1:00. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOQDrsFfy9A looks like the player we saw for the last 6-8 games. Sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Everyone's torching Coleman for his 40. Meanwhile, they show that he ran the gauntlet faster and smoother than anyone else. Timed speed and play speed are two different beasts. Coleman is going to go in round 2. People knocking him for not being as fast as guys 30 pounds lighter than him is insane. All that did today was knock him out of the first round and it’s exactly the reason why Mitchell will be a 1st rounder now. Coleman is a good football player so I agree with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 25 minutes ago, HappyDays said: You might be surprised to know that I almost always agree with this. The first time I saw Coleman's profile was "contested catch specialist" I was out on him. But the more I've seen the more I have liked him. He has more nuance to his route running than the moniker would have you believe. He also moves very well with the ball in his hands. Not going to speed by guys of course but he will bully through him and fight for tough extra yards. Mike Williams is a pure contested catch specialist with really nothing else to write home about. And even he has two 1000 yard seasons on his resume, he has just unfortunately dealt with a ton of injuries. I think Coleman can get open. Imo he doesn’t separate like some of the other guys do. I want a guy whose skill is “running away from the guys who can’t catch him.” Mike Williams has been productive, just like Coleman will probably be. Strategically, it’s not for me. Coleman getting half a step on NFL DB’s is not what I want for our offense. That’s Gabe Davis-ball, and that’s why Josh threw so many picks his way. I don’t see Coleman being a window-opener. I see him as more of the same tight window throws that all it takes is a pass a little behind or a faster DB to make a play and it’s going the other way or getting tipped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Mitchell to me is an example of why the combine is dangerous for evaluation. Suddenly because of his 40 time he is a 1st round talent. But everything I've read and watched on him shows that he is an inconsistent route runner and struggles against press coverage and isn't a particularly high-effort player. Very impressive 40 time but it changes nothing. The tape doesn't lie. I think he's one of those players that is still ascending. I think there is more there than what we've seen and with good coaching and the right system, he can really be a very good WR. I don't think his tape shows everything that's there yet. We'll see, though. So hard to tell who's going to be good and who's not, especially when we don't know how interviews go, how smart guys are, how fast they pick things up, etc. As fans, we have the games, but there is a lot more to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 If it’s a freak athlete then it’s either Mitchell or Legette. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Mitchell in the first and Coleman in the 2nd. 😳 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 37 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Yeah, he's got great hands and plays big in big games. Cosell really likes him. We're going to have to trade up from #28 to get him. I'll blow a gasket if the Chiefs trade up ahead of us and grab him. Mahomes holds a receiver camp in Texas every offseason. Look for a few draftees to attend. I bet Mitchell will be among them since he’s in Texas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: I think Coleman can get open. Imo he doesn’t separate like some of the other guys do. I want a guy whose skill is “running away from the guys who can’t catch him.” Mike Williams has been productive, just like Coleman will probably be. Strategically, it’s not for me. Coleman getting half a step on NFL DB’s is not what I want for our offense. That’s Gabe Davis-ball, and that’s why Josh threw so many picks his way. I don’t see Coleman being a window-opener. I see him as more of the same tight window throws that all it takes is a pass a little behind or a faster DB to make a play and it’s going the other way or getting tipped. So here’s my question. Would you be okay with McConkey then? He fits everything you’re looking for. Best route runner, ran 4.4 toasted guys in the SEC but some question whether he can play outside 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Did anyone notice it was the Bills WR coach Adam Henry for the drills 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: I've been saying it this whole time - Legette was being slept on and is going to rise when the Combine and Pro Day comes and his measurements and times are done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 He can't run a track and field drill as fast as others but he can run in a straight line while plucking footballs out of the air better than any of them. I know which of those drills I actually care about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: yes, but he also showed no regard for the sideline I'll take his gauntlet over Franklin's all day, sideline lapse or not. Woof! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, 90sBills said: Mahomes holds a receiver camp in Texas every offseason. Look for a few draftees to attend. I bet Mitchell will be among them since he’s in Texas. Thanks, pal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I'll take his gauntlet over Franklin's all day, sideline lapse or not. Woof! Update: Mitchell / Legette at 28 Worthy / Coleman at 60 😆🙃 Edited March 2 by Warriorspikes51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) 8 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: So here’s my question. Would you be okay with McConkey then? He fits everything you’re looking for. Best route runner, ran 4.4 toasted guys in the SEC but some question whether he can play outside I think between McConkey, Diggs and Shakir they could split reps in the slot and boundary. Edited March 2 by Magox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KOKBILLS Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 26 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: McConkey looked fake that was so clean He looks fantastic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: With that RAS and if he falls to #28 I can see Beane being all over him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) Looks like this was done after his 1st 40. He ran 4.39 in the 2nd so this should be a little higher Edited March 2 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Heck yes! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 6 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Yeah, no chance he’s there at 28. Might even go in the teens now. 3 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: This might be our guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Similar to Mitchell but a step slower. He's definitely on the list of possibilities at #28. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) Mitchell obviously looked great in the 40 and gauntlet. But he's dropping balls or stumbling out of his route during these qb drills. Edited March 2 by LABILLBACKER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 22 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: Coleman is going to go in round 2. People knocking him for not being as fast as guys 30 pounds lighter than him is insane. All that did today was knock him out of the first round and it’s exactly the reason why Mitchell will be a 1st rounder now. Coleman is a good football player so I agree with you Except for his 40 time Coleman look like an absolute man beast out there I know it’s the underwear Olympics, but the kid looks really good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Adonai Mitchell is having a horrible feild testing day. Great 40 but hasn’t looked good running routes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, wppete said: Adonai Mitchell is having a horrible feild testing day. Great 40 but hasn’t looked good running routes. maybe he has cleats made for grass and they arent working well on cuts? No idea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, wppete said: Adonai Mitchell is having a horrible feild testing day. Great 40 but hasn’t looked good running routes. Wants to fall to 28. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 22 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: So here’s my question. Would you be okay with McConkey then? He fits everything you’re looking for. Best route runner, ran 4.4 toasted guys in the SEC but some question whether he can play outside No 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Except for his 40 time Coleman look like an absolute man beast out there I know it’s the underwear Olympics, but the kid looks really good He's a good football player and everything Mike Norvell has said is he's a great leader and a good kid who cares about team. That will sell him to teams besides his 40 time. I would have loved to have seen 4.55 but it didn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Yeah, no chance he’s there at 28. Might even go in the teens now. This might be our guy. Unlikely. As @GunnerBill pointed out in a previous post, there's a long skew of teams between the 3rd coming off and when we're picking that are covered at WR and have much bigger needs. For us as fans, a lot of this stuff we're seeing is new. But teams go into this with a pretty good idea of where guys are at. Most people knew Mitchell would run pretty well. The 4.35 timed speed is great. But it's not going to move him up the board THAT much. I see it moving him from that early 2nd Round - fringe 1st Round, middle of the 2nd tier of WR discussion, to securing probably the 5th WR off the board, at best. And as others have said, his field testing hasn't been great. We haven't seen Brian Thomas run yet and there's a chance he's just as fast and will probably look better in testing. Edited March 2 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, FireChans said: No I'm just saying then that is the ultimate contradiction. He literally fits everything your looking for but dont want him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 For God sake we need multiple deep threats 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 I’m interested in seeing group 2 before making my declarations but here’s a quick preview for group 1: 1. AD Mitchell looked really good today and has likely found himself a spot at the back end of the 1st round. (It also helps that, for some weird reason, I like the Longhorns and may have a bias) 2. Franklin did fine today but I had higher expectations to be honest. I have a late 1st-early 2nd grade on him and that still remains. I was hoping he’d take the leap but I didn't see enough to change my grade. 3. Leggette ran and caught pretty well, and the guy is fast for sure. I was lower on him than most but I think I can see what others saw. Still like him in the 2nd. 4. Coleman had a bad 40, but a great gauntlet. 40 yard speed doesn’t always equal game speed. I had a 2nd round grade on him before and that remains the case now. He also measured far closer to his college reports than most players so that’s something too I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 Legette looked good too. Coleman did well on the gauntlet. Sounds like Troy Franklin didn't have a great combine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 23 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Mitchell to me is an example of why the combine is dangerous for evaluation. Suddenly because of his 40 time he is a 1st round talent. But everything I've read and watched on him shows that he is an inconsistent route runner and struggles against press coverage and isn't a particularly high-effort player. Very impressive 40 time but it changes nothing. The tape doesn't lie. I don't think Mitchell is a Combine-only stud at all... Brett Kollmann and Greg Cosell both have him as their #4 WR overall... Daniel Jeremiah has him at 33 overall... His tape is fantastic at times, especially in big games... He can be silky-smooth...He has shown effortless movement skills on the field... He ran good routes... Not sure what you're looking for. He's a College kid. They all have faults. He's an elite athlete at WR who has had huge games vs some of the best College Defenses and comes with a limitless upside. He would be a home run at 28 because he has legit WR1 upside... You just have to coach him up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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