cgg716 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Mostly because the roster is constructed EXACTLY how the coach wanted, and this is the result. All of this is BY DESIGN. And until that design changes, somehow, a team that has one of the most talented QBs ever, is completely hopeless 2 4 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 5-4 team, too many games without creating turnovers and the offense turning over the ball. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted November 6, 2023 Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 11 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: 5-4 team, too many games without creating turnovers and the offense turning over the ball. That's another thing that's designed, lack of turnovers, we play keep it in front of you on D, and not, go make a play 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Just now, cgg716 said: That's another thing that's designed, lack of turnovers, we play keep it in front of you on D, and not, go make a play We need to trust in Dorian Williams and Kaiir Elam. We’ve seen them make turnovers, but they don’t do a good job keeping the ball in front of them. Do you live with the mistakes and take the playmaking ability tradeoff? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted November 6, 2023 Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 Just now, Dr.Sack said: We need to trust in Dorian Williams and Kaiir Elam. We’ve seen them make turnovers, but they don’t do a good job keeping the ball in front of them. Do you live with the mistakes and take the playmaking ability tradeoff? 100 percent. Your QB can make up for it. But that's harder to do after long sustained drives 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, cgg716 said: That's another thing that's designed, lack of turnovers, we play keep it in front of you on D, and not, go make a play We’re tied for 4th in the league in creating turnovers this year and that’s with all those injuries. This place sometimes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 30 minutes ago, cgg716 said: Mostly because the roster is constructed EXACTLY how the coach wanted, and this is the result. All of this is BY DESIGN. And until that design changes, somehow, a team that has one of the most talented QBs ever, is completely hopeless Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: We need to trust in Dorian Williams and Kaiir Elam. We’ve seen them make turnovers, but they don’t do a good job keeping the ball in front of them. Do you live with the mistakes and take the playmaking ability tradeoff? Dorian Williams has forced zero turnovers and Elam has stunk (and also forced zero turnovers) this season. No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Just now, gobills404 said: Dorian Williams has forced zero turnovers and Elam has stunk (and also forced zero turnovers) this season. No thanks. We haven’t seen a pick in a while. Elam did pick Mahomes, no? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 A lot of it is the roster. why do u think they pay a billion dollars for over the hill stars? because they havent been able to find thier own.... drafting in the first couple rounds has killed this roster and made it harder to build than it should have been. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted November 6, 2023 Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dopey said: We’re tied for 4th in the league in creating turnovers this year and that’s with all those injuries. This place sometimes. 8 of the 14 turnovers against WSH and LV. So 6, in the other 6 games. Just like every year, good games against garbage teams trick people into thinking the D is good 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Dr.Sack said: We haven’t seen a pick in a while. Elam did pick Mahomes, no? Yeah last year, a year when which Elam actually played pretty well. He’s been booty this season though. Not even a single pass breakup on 150+ snaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted November 6, 2023 Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Comebackkid said: A lot of it is the roster. why do u think they pay a billion dollars for over the hill stars? because they havent been able to find thier own.... drafting in the first couple rounds has killed this roster and made it harder to build than it should have been. What stars will you find If you're trying to build a DL rotation through the draft? They almost never took the best player, just a scheme fit, and when the scheme sucks, here we are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Agreed. It's coaching. Harbaugh in Baltimore and Andy Reid built offenses to their QBs strengths... We have a QB with unique skills, and we're trying to turn him into a safe, pocket passer and not run 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 You guys it’s hard to win in the NFL ask Marv Levy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, cgg716 said: What stars will you find If you're trying to build a DL rotation through the draft? They almost never took the best player, just a scheme fit, and when the scheme sucks, here we are im not saying im a fan of the rotation. I dont think its showed enough merit for the most part to retain. but...if there were elite players out there....they would show up. take kinkaid...Offense i know but.. regardless of how limited his playtime is...u see it. Look at bernard. Not saying he is elite but his talent on the field still popped. Edited November 6, 2023 by Comebackkid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Allen is not a game manager. Our OL is not going to beat you up. Our receiving core does not win battles for the ball. Our D is boom or bust. Yet our coaches think we are going to wear you down and run out the clock. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 It is the roster. "32 year old, lost a step" Hyde and Poyer aren't keeping OCs awake. Von Miller isn't keeping OCs awake. James Cook isn't keeping DCs awake. Gabe Davis... ...and the list of mediocre players goes on and on. There are only two players on this team, Allen and Diggs, that prevent a slide into the drought years. ...and Milano. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted November 6, 2023 Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 And one timeout for the opposing team, McDermott would run 3 times and trust his punter and D. Taylor immediately put the game in his best players hands and won. Taylor plays to win, McDermott plays not to lose. Fans and players deserve better 4 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 I was ok with the "we trust our defense" strategy when the defense was elite and playing bad competition. I was reluctantly ok with the "we trust our defense" strategy when the defense was elite and playing good competition. I am not ok with the "we trust our defense" mantra when the defense sucks and we're playing against good competition. McDermott believes in building a dominant defense and trusting it. He has no F'ing idea what to do when that doesn't work. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Yeah - I noted that play. Philly did the same as we would have in the Dallas game. I give Taylor credit for playing to WIN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 3 hours ago, cgg716 said: And one timeout for the opposing team, McDermott would run 3 times and trust his punter and D. Taylor immediately put the game in his best players hands and won. Taylor plays to win, McDermott plays not to lose. Fans and players deserve better And yet Taylor made the awful decision to punt on 4th and 2 from inside Bills’ territory in the third quarter. That decision kept the Bills in the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Taylor almost single handedly kept us in that game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 I actually thought that Taylor coached an awful game and was even more pathetic than our coaching staff. The Bengals TRIED to give that game to Buffalo multiple times with horrible decisions to punt on 4 and 1s and kicking field goals. Buffalo was lucky to even be in that game with 3:32 left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, Rigotz said: I was ok with the "we trust our defense" strategy when the defense was elite and playing bad competition. I was reluctantly ok with the "we trust our defense" strategy when the defense was elite and playing good competition. I am not ok with the "we trust our defense" mantra when the defense sucks and we're playing against good competition. McDermott believes in building a dominant defense and trusting it. He has no F'ing idea what to do when that doesn't work. Are you saying that we should have attempted an onside kick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 11 hours ago, cgg716 said: 8 of the 14 turnovers against WSH and LV. So 6, in the other 6 games. Just like every year, good games against garbage teams trick people into thinking the D is good Not just the D either. This team hasn't beat anyone good yet, with the partial exception of Miami. And Miami can't beat anyone good either. This is a 9-8 or 8-9 team, though Im not sure where the 3 wins are coming from to get us up to 8 given the lackadaisical coaching and JV level play Why is spencer brown still on this team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 3 hours ago, boater said: It is the roster. "32 year old, lost a step" Hyde and Poyer aren't keeping OCs awake. Von Miller isn't keeping OCs awake. James Cook isn't keeping DCs awake. Gabe Davis... ...and the list of mediocre players goes on and on. There are only two players on this team, Allen and Diggs, that prevent a slide into the drought years. ...and Milano. Josh needs to stop with his interceptions and throwing deep, he needs to find Cook more in the passing game if he checks out of a RPO option to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 4 hours ago, boater said: There are only two players on this team, Allen and Diggs, that prevent a slide into the drought years. ...and Milano. hate to break it to you, this IS a drought-level team atm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 12 hours ago, Dopey said: We’re tied for 4th in the league in creating turnovers this year and that’s with all those injuries. This place sometimes. But there weren't any last night, and that's all anybody remembers on here. At least until the next game. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 12 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: You guys it’s hard to win in the NFL ask Marv Levy. That was Dick Jauron. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 12 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: 5-4 team, too many games without creating turnovers and the offense turning over the ball. On the bright side, this is fixable. Still lots of football to go, they just need to make proper adjustments 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Rigotz said: I was ok with the "we trust our defense" strategy when the defense was elite and playing bad competition. I was reluctantly ok with the "we trust our defense" strategy when the defense was elite and playing good competition. I am not ok with the "we trust our defense" mantra when the defense sucks and we're playing against good competition. McDermott believes in building a dominant defense and trusting it. He has no F'ing idea what to do when that doesn't work. … as soon as the game starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 14 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: We need to trust in Dorian Williams and Kaiir Elam. We’ve seen them make turnovers, but they don’t do a good job keeping the ball in front of them. Do you live with the mistakes and take the playmaking ability tradeoff? You would think they would have already backed themself into that corner. Especially with Elam. But I'm not going to underestimate McD's ability to make it worse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 It’s D) All of the above. Dorsey’s offense isn’t a fit for Josh Allen, you likely have to get rid of one this summer. McBeane took huge gambles on old players (Hyde, Poyer, Miller, Joseph, Douglas) and so far it hasn’t been great. Beane has a few key FA misses (Ford and Rapp are major misses) The FA target misses have made the injury situation that much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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