Get your tissues ready!!

[falgobofu]

We need the Bills offense to play 4 quarters, not just the 4th like they have so many times this year. And I did like what they did last game for the first part of the game but man they looked like they went to sleep the last half against Tampa. All four quarters we need to be firing on all cylinders......only way we have a chance. I optimistic that Allen will make it a good game. 

[ExWNYer]

10 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

Just the little preview from Tirico and Collinsworth about the Hamlin game last year, brought tears to my eyes. It's gonna be tough to watch that again. I'm sure they will make it a huge storyline, as it should be. But I'm gonna lose it all over again. Gonna be a hard watch, until Josh craps all over Burrow. 

 

Go Bills!!!

 

Based on the title of your thread, I thought for sure it had something to do with Pornhub...

 

[Dillenger4]

Cincy has a good O but their D is suspect. Not sure what you dudes are trying to spin up here? They lost key pieces to their D during the off season. We will score our points no doubt especially if we spread the ball like we did against the Bucs who have a much better D than the Bungles.

Our D is more than capable of stopping Chase and Burrow.

I'm not buying into any of this garbage. This is a win for the Bills.

 

And I agree with the OP... it will be a TV drivvle fest about Hamlin and that will make me puke. But the Bills don't give a sh%t! We will pound these frauds and I will cry in joy!!! GO BILLS

[zow2]

10 hours ago, SCBills said:

Not to say the Bengals don’t look legit, but Cousins went 35/45 for 378 and 2 TD’s against that same defense 2 weeks ago.  
 

SF has lost 3 in a row and looks lost on both sides of the ball right now. 
 

*Ironically enough, they sustained some injuries and went off the rails after dismantling a rival.  Sound familiar?

 

 

 

I said the same thing after last week,,,but I do credit the Bills for winning a couple close, fairly ugly games while they "find themselves" again.

[ProcessTruster]

10 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

Maybe the Damar factor will get these guys pumped. And Dorsey needs to let Josh be Josh again. He let him loose for the first half Thursday, but then started to reel him in during the second half. He can't do that. Take the leash off for all 4 qtrs. 

damar won't even dress , but he'll be there for sure

[ProcessTruster]

10 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

This right here will tell me a lot about McD. 10 days......10 f'n days. If he can't figure it out, then he will never get this team over the hump. 

with no DeQuan Jones, Tre White, M Milano and Von on one leg,  not sure Cinci Offense doesn't light em up no matter how brilliantly McD schemes it up.   

 

Offense better show up and make it a shootout bc the D is even more shorthanded than it was in January

[DJB]

10 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Get Hopkins and I might need a tissue 

Just one?

 

You all empty after years of Maclin JJ Watt and Ertz? 

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

with no DeQuan Jones, Tre White, M Milano and Von on one leg,  not sure Cinci Offense doesn't light em up no matter how brilliantly McD schemes it up.   

 

Offense better show up and make it a shootout bc the D is even more shorthanded than it was in January

 

I'm not, at all, cool with this view.  

 

Floyd, Oliver, Rousseau

Bernard, Johnson

Hyde, Poyer

 

They have multiple above average players at every level. 

 

No, we don't have an elite defense like we did with Jones, Milano and White.. but it's middle of the pack.  Equivalent to other contending defenses like the Chiefs, Jaguars, Dolphins, Ravens etc.. 

 

 

[Beck Water]

11 hours ago, SCBills said:

Not to say the Bengals don’t look legit, but Cousins went 35/45 for 378 and 2 TD’s against that same defense 2 weeks ago.  
 

SF has lost 3 in a row and looks lost on both sides of the ball right now. 
 

*Ironically enough, they sustained some injuries and went off the rails after dismantling a rival.  Sound familiar?

 

 

 

Who did SF lose on Defense, if anyone?  I can't figure that out?

[SCBills]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

Who did SF lose on Defense, if anyone?  I can't figure that out?

 

No one that I'm aware of.. but their Offense hasn't been able to do much, puts them in tough positions and hasn't really allowed them to play from ahead.   I'm sure that has affected the attacking nature of their defensive philosophy, but still.. that's the most talented defense in the league on paper and they've been shredded two weeks in a row.  

[clearwater cadet]

I like McD but hes not a big game coach, they will struggle make dumb mistakes , miss routinue tackles, and drop passes they should catch, and my 50 years on this planet with no Suoer Bowl victory will continue.

[Jauronimo]

15 minutes ago, clearwater cadet said:

I like McD but hes not a big game coach, they will struggle make dumb mistakes , miss routinue tackles, and drop passes they should catch, and my 50 years on this planet with no Suoer Bowl victory will continue.

What kind of big game coach can prevent drops and missed tackles?  A coaches job is to put players in a position to succeed. Players job is to execute.

[Einstein]

37 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

What kind of big game coach can prevent drops and missed tackles?  

One way is to not give those players who make a habit of missing tackles and dropping catches a chance to see the field again.

For example, Belichick is notorious for putting players in the dog house after even 1 fumble.

But I do agree that a coaches job is to put players in a position to succeed

[Coach Tuesday]

39 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

What kind of big game coach can prevent drops and missed tackles?  A coaches job is to put players in a position to succeed. Players job is to execute.

 

Right but a coach can help his team get looser or tighter, depending on what is needed.

 

From today's Athletic - thought this was interesting feedback from some unnamed executives about McDermott:

 

Injuries to all three levels of a once-dominant Buffalo defense make clear what the Bills could use as the trade deadline approaches. They could use a corner, a linebacker, perhaps a defensive tackle. That is the simple part of the evaluation.

 

A more existential question: Why does this team appear to be perpetually under stress? Nothing seems to come easy. The Bills often appear tight.

 

I think we’re going to find out over the remainder of this season and beyond whether the Bills’ very good, very successful head coach, Sean McDermott, is a great one. The intensity McDermott shows on the sideline and in general is part of his nature. It’s part of his success. Is it what the Bills need right now, as they try to cut back on the stress points? Does McDermott have another gear?

 

These thoughts came to mind while watching the third and fourth quarters end during the Bills’ 24-18 victory against Tampa Bay on Thursday night. When everyone expected Buffalo to let the third-quarter game clock expire, the Bills hurriedly snapped the ball and took a sack. The fourth quarter turned into a fire drill: a killer penalty, a ball bouncing off a helmet into Mike Evans’ grasp for a late Bucs touchdown, a Hail Mary that Tampa Bay had a shot at converting.

 

Just another week for the Bills. They entered the season set on showcasing a more circumspect Josh Allen, only to have him suffer four turnovers on national TV against the rival Jets. They had a home game moved to London, and when they got there, the Jacksonville Jaguars had already been there for two weeks. The Bills never had a chance, losing big.

 

Much has been written about some of the bigger-picture stressors in Buffalo. The final 13 seconds at Kansas City in the playoffs were rough. Team owner Kim Pegula’s debilitating heart attack and safety Damar Hamlin’s cardiac arrest fall into another category.

 

These would be difficult things for any coach to navigate.

 

“I just think that team has been through a lot,” an exec said. “They remind me of a team that won it twice and is trying to do it again, like they are barely hanging on.”

 

It’ll be fascinating to see McDermott, who counts Andy Reid among his mentors, lead his team from here. Only Kansas City, New Orleans and Baltimore have as many regular-season victories as Buffalo has since McDermott became the Bills’ coach in 2017.

 

“Some of these guys like Doug Pederson look relaxed in the games, going for it on fourth down, running Philly Special when their quarterback suggests it, and the team can play accordingly,” a veteran coach said. “You want them to play opportunistically and loose. Kansas City looks like they have fun. They are running ring-around-the-rosey. Buffalo does look like they play tight in some of the big situations.”

Edited October 30, 2023 by Coach Tuesday

[Bookie Man]

Happy tissues or sad tissues

[Jerome007]

"Let Josh be Josh"... he has an injured shoulder. He was as much "Josh" we could ask for in the last game. There's no pleasing fans.

 

McD and crew were BADLY outcoached last year by the Bungles. But they outcoached the Dolphins in big way this year, then got beat bad by The Hoodie. Well, the Chiefs just lost to the Broncos, they didn't even score a TD... against a defense that had allowed 70 point to the Fins! The "mighty Bengals" have 3 losses too...

 

It's fine for us to criticize, to be full on mad at times, but sometimes some of you act worse than nagging wives,  finding any excuse to complain. Don't you think McD and crew are aching for revenge? Players have bad games, coaches have bad games. But they surely wan to take those extra 3 days of preparation to kick the Bungles' behind, in  a bad way

 

This year more than any other year, it's really "On any given Sunday". So unpredictable. Yet I can't believe so many of you count the Bills out, time and time again. Are you fans or not? It's fine to worry, but you seem to expect the worse!

[Aussie Joe]

2 hours ago, DJB said:

Just one?

 

You all empty after years of Maclin JJ Watt and Ertz? 

Why empty on the ones that don’t happen ? 

Diggs was a good one 

[Bob in STL]

12 hours ago, Special K said:

 

Unfortunately, Tre White, Matt Milano and DaQuan Jones aren't walking through that door....there is only so much that can be done with the D as presently constituted....

 

The O scoring 30+ points is paramount if the Bills are to have a legitimate shot at winning this game.

 

I think it can be done, but its going to be a tough one.

It can be done.  It requires a great game plan and great execution.  They must come out ready and fired up and they must stay that way and play a complete game.  

 

They motivation should be there.  We are going to learn everything we need to know about this years Bills Team on Sunday.  

[What a Tuel]

13 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

We should have been an offense-centric team the past four seasons.  

 

Our D, while impressive during the regular season, has absolutely sucked in the playoffs.  I have no idea why everyone is harping on it as if without it our playoff success chances are limited.

 

Our offense has had to overcome our defense in all but one playoff game under McD in the past three seasons.

 

Or offense has no significant injuries. 

 

Play ball!

 

 

 

2020 -

Defense allowed 10 points through 3 quarters against the colts, and yes almost lost to a Rivers comeback rally, but they didnt.

Defense allowed 3 points to the Ravens (including an infamous pick 6 in our own endzone)

Defense allowed 38 to the chiefs and had no answers, thats on them.

2021 -

Dismantled the Patriots and allowed 10 points through 3 quarters. Sure, we would've won that game anyway the way the offense performed.

Proceeded to lose against the chiefs 13 seconds and yes, this is on the defense not being good enough. Your answer though is that a worse defense, but better offense would have won that? 🤔

2022 - 

Defense dominated the Dolphins offense (yes with a backup QB), but the box score doesn't show the extent of the domination. This is a case where a better offense may have prevented points scored against our defense.

• You cant have INTs and fumbles at our own 25, 25, and 30 and not expect the opposing offense to score.
• Not to mention the 5 punts with 2 net yards, 29 net yards, -2 net yards, -3 net yards, 32 net yards. Thats 11.6 yards avg per punt. The coverage team was terrible.

Anyone blaming the defense for this game has a ***** memory or didn't watch.

 

Defense and Offense folded against the Bengals. I don't see how a better offense, but a worse defense solves that problem.

 

It seems to me that our defense allowed us to go deeper into the playoffs each of the last 3 years, so yeah it matters.

 

Edited October 30, 2023 by What a Tuel

[BuffaloMatt]

Eww, gross. 

[Beck Water]

TBH, I think the Bills team doesn't do very well when reminded of Damar's near-death experience.

 

I think Damien Harris being taken off the field by ambulance vs. the Giants was a PTSD flashback for a lot of the team and took some starch out of them.  Just my opinion, based on not too much except a Dion Dawkins interview where he talked about what it would be like, learning you're expecting a son then in a moment worrying if you'll ever hold him

 

I hope the Bills chaplains and sports psychiatrists work with them to strategize how to deal with the inevitable media circus for minimal disruption

 

3 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

What kind of big game coach can prevent drops and missed tackles?  A coaches job is to put players in a position to succeed. Players job is to execute.

 

s   Coach is supposed to pump up the players to a frenzy of peak mental and physical performance with his inspirational speech and the extra energy for the fist bumps and bro hugs.  /s

Edited October 30, 2023 by Beck Water

[benderbender]

I meant to ask Joe Marino of Locked on Bills to ask Dr Kyle Trimble of Banged Up Bills what the odds of recurrence were on Delayed Onset Emotional Exhaustion. I figured it could only happen once a season but who knows.

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, What a Tuel said:

 

2020 -

Defense allowed 10 points through 3 quarters against the colts, and yes almost lost to a Rivers comeback rally, but they didnt.

Defense allowed 3 points to the Ravens (including an infamous pick 6 in our own endzone)

Defense allowed 38 to the chiefs and had no answers, thats on them.

2021 -

Dismantled the Patriots and allowed 10 points through 3 quarters. Sure, we would've won that game anyway the way the offense performed.

Proceeded to lose against the chiefs 13 seconds and yes, this is on the defense not being good enough. Your answer though is that a worse defense, but better offense would have won that? 🤔

2022 - 

Defense dominated the Dolphins offense (yes with a backup QB), but the box score doesn't show the extent of the domination. This is a case where a better offense may have prevented points scored against our defense.

• You cant have INTs and fumbles at our own 25, 25, and 30 and not expect the opposing offense to score.
• Not to mention the 5 punts with 2 net yards, 29 net yards, -2 net yards, -3 net yards, 32 net yards. Thats 11.6 yards avg per punt. The coverage team was terrible.

Anyone blaming the defense for this game has a ***** memory or didn't watch.

 

Defense and Offense folded against the Bengals. I don't see how a better offense, but a worse defense solves that problem.

 

It seems to me that our defense allowed us to go deeper into the playoffs each of the last 3 years, so yeah it matters.

 

 

We'll have to agree to disagree. 

 

Skylar Thompson, plain and simple, in one of his first few starts, in Buffalo, snow, etc.  

 

412 Yards and 30 1st-Downs in a perfectly balanced offense (240 passing, 172 rushing) vs. Cincy which was also Cincy's best offensive playoff performance under Burrow.  

 

552 & 30 1st-Downs to KC.  Two of their biggest three offensive playoff games were against us, and once vs. our vaunted #1 Defense which was the Chiefs best playoff game offensively under Mahomes.  So yeah, it was the D.  

 

472 Yards and 27 1st-Downs to a 9th ranked Indy offense led by Rivers and worse WRs than we have after Diggs and Davis, in Indy's only playoff game over the past 4 seasons.  

 

"13 Seconds"  

 

But if you think that's good, that's fine.  I don't.  Again, agree to disagree.  

 

 

 

 

Edited October 30, 2023 by PBF81

[What a Tuel]

15 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

We'll have to agree to disagree. 

 

Skylar Thompson, plain and simple, in one of his first few starts, in Buffalo, snow, etc.  

 

412 Yards and 30 1st-Downs in a perfectly balanced offense (240 passing, 172 rushing) vs. Cincy which was also Cincy's best offensive playoff performance under Burrow.  

 

552 & 30 1st-Downs to KC.  Two of their biggest three offensive playoff games were against us, and once vs. our vaunted #1 Defense which was the Chiefs best playoff game offensively under Mahomes.  So yeah, it was the D.  

 

472 Yards and 27 1st-Downs to a 9th ranked Indy offense led by Rivers and worse WRs than we have after Diggs and Davis, in Indy's only playoff game over the past 4 seasons.  

 

"13 Seconds"  

 

But if you think that's good, that's fine.  I don't.  Again, agree to disagree.  

 

 

 

 

 

Either way, I don't actually understand what you are arguing. You think defense doesn't matter I guess, but are quoting just now 4 games in which we would not have won if our offense was better but our defense was worse while ignoring the games we won because of our defense (I see Baltimore game is suspiciously absent)

[BillsVet]

4 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Right but a coach can help his team get looser or tighter, depending on what is needed.

 

There's tension for sure and some is the pressure to win it all.  At the same time, McD isn't a calming influence and that's what is needed now.  

 

Players take on the personality of their leader(s) and both sides of the ball have either McD or Dorsey running it.  Neither are whom I would consider able to reduce the tension.   

[PBF81]

15 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

Either way, I don't actually understand what you are arguing. You think defense doesn't matter I guess, but are quoting just now 4 games in which we would not have won if our offense was better but our defense was worse while ignoring the games we won because of our defense (I see Baltimore game is suspiciously absent)

 

The Baltimore game is fair, but we wouldn't have made it there w/o going through Indy first, and Baltimore's O was essentially a one-man show.  Tennessee and their 24th ranked D held 'em to 20 points the week prior.  The Ravens haven't scored more than 20 PPG in the playoffs in any of their 5 playoff games dating back to 2018.  So while good, consider the O there.  

 

The NE game was another solid D effort, but consider their offense with Mac Jones as a rookie.  

 

The overall argument was that we're focusing too much on our defensive injury woes right now.  Groot and AJE have come on, Floyd was signed to backup Miller and has done about what Miller did last year through the same number of games.  Our LB issues are because of McBeane and that's the way they wanted it.  

 

This team should be focused around it's Allen-led offense first and foremost.  We've put so many expensive resources into the D, because that's what McD knows, but nowhere near the same level into the offense.  

 

The point was also that it's our offense that has determined how far we advance, or in the case of "13 Seconds," simply revealing a cataclysmic failure in the D preventing it.  

 

We have the offensive talent to be doing much much better than we are.  We obviously, as many of us see it, don't have the right person at the helm of this rig.  Otherwise we'd be realizing that offensive powerhouse aspect.  

 

I mean seriously, not even 21 PPG over the past four games, ... and we're talking about against the currently 6th, 10th, 23rd, and 26th defenses, not the Ravens, Cowboys, and Niners.  

 

 

[DrPJax]

17 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

McD and his coaching staff got thoroughly embarrassed in that playoff game. Out coached in every way. Unprepared is an accurate statement. 

 

Put aside all the turmoil of the season. What was most bothersome was the Bills game plan. To this day, I have no idea what they were doing? They had a dress rehearsal a few weeks prior which should have prepared them to have an effective game plan. Or a the very least different game plan. Nothing zero zilch...

 

Fast forward to this week and we Bills fans believe this coaching staff will step up? Why would you think that? Please elaborate because I want to hear a logical and realistic response. 

 

Add on the team hasn't played well in several games. The defense is a shell of itself. You really think the Bills can stop or contain Burrow and company? I'd recommend you rewatch last year's game for a reference. 

 

I just pounded the Bengals at -2.5 for one of my bigger bets I've made. 

They looked the part. They played well in every phase. They look to be hitting their best stride. They shredded the niner defense. Burrow looked elite, in control, poised, and virtually unstoppable. It was a lot like when they throttled the Bills. 

To be truthful it's not that simple. He should absolutely have a game which tries to give the Bills the best chance to win. That's all you can ask for. I'm just not seeing how this depleted D can stop the Burrow leD. No if they had a healthy Tre, DJones, Milano, and Von then I'd like their chance. That's just not the case here. 

     BEST , honest assessment I’ve seen on this board in two years.    Bengals, esp burrow looked fantastic and noe burrow if fully healed ripping off several key runs.  His passing was pinpoint again, with still some pressures from the 49ers line.   They are getting right, playing very confidently now. The Bills are still finding an identity. People were so enthralled with the BUCS win ; yet we scored less than the terrible previous week ( and we just saw how the fins easily rolled that pretend team)and finished with a series of punts as mcd once again almost turned a win into a loss. People are in denial that we were a Hail Mary from a loss and that BALL HIT THE GOUND WITHOUT A BILL KNOCKING IT DOWN as they were sprawled on the ground “boxing out “ receivers yet GODWIN catches that if he gets his head around. NOT A VERY INSPIRING, confidence building victory. 

 

     WE saw the bills being crushed before Hamlin’s collapse, then crushed quickly in the playoff game. So you have a peaking bengals o, going up against our arguably worst back 7 , esp with the cbs looking lost at times and the safeties aging unfortunately.   I am not sure what is going on with our d line , but the last two games have not been inspiring regarding finishing plays w a sack , and we are not as talented RIGHt now as the 49er s d line. It is just shaping up as a mismatch and Vegas seems to agree.

 

      i just think certain teams/ coaches seem to outscheme , outcoach mcd and the bengals coach seems to fit in as one whose teams mentally seem too come in very confident against the BILLS. Mcd has, outside the fins game and playoff game against the pats, proven multiple times he is capable of having huge collapses and no lead is ever safe given his late game d philosophy.  Throw in injuries to the d stars on every level , and I don’t see how the BILLS d will stop Cincy from easily dropping 30 against this d roster on their home field.  Perhaps the bills can match them on O , but who has confidence any mcd defense will keep the bengals from scoring if they have the ball and need a score to win?  We easily could have lost both the giants/bucs game and did lose to a horrible pats team. The bengals , with a fully healthy BURROWS at home, are no pats , as he just went 28/32.

        So , while i can always hope for a BILLS win, mcd needs to prove he is up to it and I’m sorry, but he rarely outperforms good coaches, with the bengals staff already advancing further than a mcd coached team has. Throw in missing  Milano, Daquan, white, von not anywhere close to being someone needed to be game planned for , and at this point i expect a game similar to the playoffs with the bengals out quick and the BILLS trying to catch up. Maybe mcd will show up for once , but now he has too much influence  on the bills players psyche , I don’t see them playing with the enthusiasm /energy /passion they used to have. Most stats for the bills have regressed in the second quarter of the season as a basis for this reasoning. Bills coming out with a win seems like a big task. 

[newcam2012]

39 minutes ago, DrPJax said:

     BEST , honest assessment I’ve seen on this board in two years.    Bengals, esp burrow looked fantastic and noe burrow if fully healed ripping off several key runs.  His passing was pinpoint again, with still some pressures from the 49ers line.   They are getting right, playing very confidently now. The Bills are still finding an identity. People were so enthralled with the BUCS win ; yet we scored less than the terrible previous week ( and we just saw how the fins easily rolled that pretend team)and finished with a series of punts as mcd once again almost turned a win into a loss. People are in denial that we were a Hail Mary from a loss and that BALL HIT THE GOUND WITHOUT A BILL KNOCKING IT DOWN as they were sprawled on the ground “boxing out “ receivers yet GODWIN catches that if he gets his head around. NOT A VERY INSPIRING, confidence building victory. 

 

     WE saw the bills being crushed before Hamlin’s collapse, then crushed quickly in the playoff game. So you have a peaking bengals o, going up against our arguably worst back 7 , esp with the cbs looking lost at times and the safeties aging unfortunately.   I am not sure what is going on with our d line , but the last two games have not been inspiring regarding finishing plays w a sack , and we are not as talented RIGHt now as the 49er s d line. It is just shaping up as a mismatch and Vegas seems to agree.

 

      i just think certain teams/ coaches seem to outscheme , outcoach mcd and the bengals coach seems to fit in as one whose teams mentally seem too come in very confident against the BILLS. Mcd has, outside the fins game and playoff game against the pats, proven multiple times he is capable of having huge collapses and no lead is ever safe given his late game d philosophy.  Throw in injuries to the d stars on every level , and I don’t see how the BILLS d will stop Cincy from easily dropping 30 against this d roster on their home field.  Perhaps the bills can match them on O , but who has confidence any mcd defense will keep the bengals from scoring if they have the ball and need a score to win?  We easily could have lost both the giants/bucs game and did lose to a horrible pats team. The bengals , with a fully healthy BURROWS at home, are no pats , as he just went 28/32.

        So , while i can always hope for a BILLS win, mcd needs to prove he is up to it and I’m sorry, but he rarely outperforms good coaches, with the bengals staff already advancing further than a mcd coached team has. Throw in missing  Milano, Daquan, white, von not anywhere close to being someone needed to be game planned for , and at this point i expect a game similar to the playoffs with the bengals out quick and the BILLS trying to catch up. Maybe mcd will show up for once , but now he has too much influence  on the bills players psyche , I don’t see them playing with the enthusiasm /energy /passion they used to have. Most stats for the bills have regressed in the second quarter of the season as a basis for this reasoning. Bills coming out with a win seems like a big task. 

Sadly, I can't disagree with a whole lot of what you said. 

 

Some blunt honest truth here. 

4 hours ago, benderbender said:

I meant to ask Joe Marino of Locked on Bills to ask Dr Kyle Trimble of Banged Up Bills what the odds of recurrence were on Delayed Onset Emotional Exhaustion. I figured it could only happen once a season but who knows.

It can happen for sure. It's like going back to the crime scene as a victim. 

4 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

We'll have to agree to disagree. 

 

Skylar Thompson, plain and simple, in one of his first few starts, in Buffalo, snow, etc.  

 

412 Yards and 30 1st-Downs in a perfectly balanced offense (240 passing, 172 rushing) vs. Cincy which was also Cincy's best offensive playoff performance under Burrow.  

 

552 & 30 1st-Downs to KC.  Two of their biggest three offensive playoff games were against us, and once vs. our vaunted #1 Defense which was the Chiefs best playoff game offensively under Mahomes.  So yeah, it was the D.  

 

472 Yards and 27 1st-Downs to a 9th ranked Indy offense led by Rivers and worse WRs than we have after Diggs and Davis, in Indy's only playoff game over the past 4 seasons.  

 

"13 Seconds"  

 

But if you think that's good, that's fine.  I don't.  Again, agree to disagree.  

 

 

 

 

I mean it's pretty much known in the football world that the Bills playoff defense gets exposed. That's why Fraizer got fired despite his great regular season stats. 

[newcam2012]

5 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

The Baltimore game is fair, but we wouldn't have made it there w/o going through Indy first, and Baltimore's O was essentially a one-man show.  Tennessee and their 24th ranked D held 'em to 20 points the week prior.  The Ravens haven't scored more than 20 PPG in the playoffs in any of their 5 playoff games dating back to 2018.  So while good, consider the O there.  

 

The NE game was another solid D effort, but consider their offense with Mac Jones as a rookie.  

 

The overall argument was that we're focusing too much on our defensive injury woes right now.  Groot and AJE have come on, Floyd was signed to backup Miller and has done about what Miller did last year through the same number of games.  Our LB issues are because of McBeane and that's the way they wanted it.  

 

This team should be focused around it's Allen-led offense first and foremost.  We've put so many expensive resources into the D, because that's what McD knows, but nowhere near the same level into the offense.  

 

The point was also that it's our offense that has determined how far we advance, or in the case of "13 Seconds," simply revealing a cataclysmic failure in the D preventing it.  

 

We have the offensive talent to be doing much much better than we are.  We obviously, as many of us see it, don't have the right person at the helm of this rig.  Otherwise we'd be realizing that offensive powerhouse aspect.  

 

I mean seriously, not even 21 PPG over the past four games, ... and we're talking about against the currently 6th, 10th, 23rd, and 26th defenses, not the Ravens, Cowboys, and Niners.  

 

 

Great post. Clear as day this regime is failing to take full advantage of their elite QB. For years, they have failed to solidify an above average oline, have a merry go round of WRs 3/4/5 that haven't produced, failed to establish an effective and consistent run game, lacks explosive weapons and speed, and hired an unknown rookie OC that was and is learning on the job as the team was is focused to make a SB run. 

 

The defensive minded coach has taken over the defensive duties. Can't help to think the offensive side of the ball is being somewhat neglected by him. It's by default almost. 

 

The Bills offense has failed to take off to the next level. It mostly a failure of the Bills regime. Many fail to see this because Allen and his eliteness puts up numbers. Thus, the offensive stats looks very good. 

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[PBF81]

25 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I mean it's pretty much known in the football world that the Bills playoff defense gets exposed. That's why Fraizer got fired despite his great regular season stats. 

 

Interesting that you say that.  It would be foolish to think that McD didn't have a heavy hand in that D.  He was a very average DC in Carolina, making it an odds on proposition that it was going to get worse this season.  

 

He's bitten off way more than he can chew.  Sometimes egos, ambition, and desire for control work against the person behind it.  

 

 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

Interesting that you say that.  It would be foolish to think that McD didn't have a heavy hand in that D.  He was a very average DC in Carolina, making it an odds on proposition that it was going to get worse this season.  

 

He's bitten off way more than he can chew.  Sometimes egos, ambition, and desire for control work against the person behind it.  

 

 

Agree 100%. I was so glad he took over the defense because now he can't hide. 

 

I'm starting to think the fan base is seeing that McD isn't untouchable. Soon they might see he's only slightly above average and can do better. 

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Agree 100%. I was so glad he took over the defense because now he can't hide. 

 

I'm starting to think the fan base is seeing that McD isn't untouchable. Soon they might see he's only slightly above average and can do better. 

 

And in fairness, if he can at least take us to a Super Bowl and win it, or if he loses it, not losing it as a result of a "13 Seconds" or other type of coaching blunder, then great.

 

If not however, then most people are going to appropriately be asking whether he's reached his ceiling as a HC.  

 

If we can't make the playoffs, then the question will have answered itself.  

 

 

[newcam2012]

47 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

And in fairness, if he can at least take us to a Super Bowl and win it, or if he loses it, not losing it as a result of a "13 Seconds" or other type of coaching blunder, then great.

 

If not however, then most people are going to appropriately be asking whether he's reached his ceiling as a HC.  

 

If we can't make the playoffs, then the question will have answered itself.  

 

 

Agree. I think we both know how this is likely going to play out. 

 

Just feels like the Bills organization will spin it's wheels with McD for a few more years. The spinning started a couple of years ago and I have a headache. This is starting to feel like another disappointing end to a season. Only this time, I think it comes much earlier than expected. 

 

If Ben Johnson can make Geoff look this good imagine what he could do with Allen. If he can make David Montgomery look like an all pro imagine how good the Bills running game could be. Instead, the Bills are staying the course with a defensive coach who continues to fall short and lack offensive weapons, creativity, and explosiveness. 

 

I'll continue to bang the drum for change because I firmly believe that's the best chance to bring a Lombardi to Buffalo. 

Edited October 31, 2023 by newcam2012

[PBF81]

9 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Agree. I think we both know how this is likely going to play out. 

 

Just feels like the Bills organization will spin it's wheels with McD for a few more years. The spinning started a couple of years ago and I have a headache. This is starting to feel like another disappointing end to a season. Only this time, I think it comes much earlier than expected. 

 

If Ben Johnson can make Geoff look this good imagine what he could do with Allen. If he can make David Montgomery look like an all pro imagine how good the Bills running game could be. Instead, the Bills are staying the course with a defensive coach who continues to fall short and lack offensive weapons, creativity, and explosiveness. 

 

I'll continue to bang the drum for change because I firmly believe that's the best chance to bring a Lombardi to Buffalo. 

 

A lot of people now see McD's issues, which are multiple.  The national media is now involved which means that it's going to be difficult for him to hide or use scapegoats.  He also can't possibly have more control over this team, reasonably anyway, than he does now.  He's got more game-day control over it than most coaches throughout history.  

 

All we do is talk about it, nothing we can do one way or the other.  

 

Pegula's ultimately going to have to get involved, and as the concern was for giving both McD & Beane extensions beyond this season without first waiting, wisely, for say at least this half season to have passed before making that decision, that risk side of this high-risk decision-making team has also played out. 

 

They haven't even entered year one of that extension.  

 

If things don't improve, Pegula's going to have a tough decision that risks him looking incompetent.  And on that side of the tracks he probably is, judging by some of his past decisions.  

 

But here's the thing, he's got PSLs to sell now on top of roughly twice the cost for Tix.  Those prices are going to make the current ticket costs look like Dollar General discounts.  If he had to sell those with teams from the drought years, ... LOL.  

 

If this team starts sliding and becomes more dysfunctional and disarrayed than it already is, good luck to him.  Many long-time STHs have already said adios here, and that was assuming that we didn't have the issues we now have.  

 

Let's see how the season plays out.  I have stated mo several times that I'd rather see us struggle to get a wild-card, get hot then, and win the SB, than to get the #1 seed and pull a typical playoffs McD, losing because our D didn't show up anyway.  This crying in our soup about our injuries on D when our offense is running on 5 of 8 cylinders is ridiculous.  

 

We can do it with the D that's on the field right now if the offense is properly run, which is presently far from the case.  

 

If w keep playing as we are however, we may not even finish with a winning record.  

 

It will be interesting from several vantage points as the season goes on as well as afterwards.  

 

All we can do now is hope for the best.  All that most of us want is one Lombardi!  Just one!  

 

 

Edited October 31, 2023 by PBF81

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

A lot of people now see McD's issues, which are multiple.  The national media is now involved which means that it's going to be difficult for him to hide or use scapegoats.  He also can't possibly have more control over this team, reasonably anyway, than he does now.  He's got more game-day control over it than most coaches throughout history.  

 

All we do is talk about it, nothing we can do one way or the other.  

 

Pegula's ultimately going to have to get involved, and as the concern was for giving both McD & Beane extensions beyond this season without first waiting, wisely, for say at least this half season to have passed before making that decision, that risk side of this high-risk decision-making team has also played out. 

 

They haven't even entered year one of that extension.  

 

If things don't improve, Pegula's going to have a tough decision that risks him looking incompetent.  And on that side of the tracks he probably is, judging by some of his past decisions.  

 

But here's the thing, he's got PSLs to sell now on top of roughly twice the cost for Tix.  Those prices are going to make the current ticket costs look like Dollar General discounts.  If he had to sell those with teams from the drought years, ... LOL.  

 

If this team starts sliding and becomes more dysfunctional and disarrayed than it already is, good luck to him.  Many long-time STHs have already said adios here, and that was assuming that we didn't have the issues we now have.  

 

Let's see how the season plays out.  I have stated mo several times that I'd rather see us struggle to get a wild-card, get hot then, and win the SB, than to get the #1 seed and pull a typical playoffs McD, losing because our D didn't show up anyway.  This crying in our soup about our injuries on D when our offense is running on 5 of 8 cylinders is ridiculous.  

 

We can do it with the D that's on the field right now if the offense is properly run, which is presently far from the case.  

 

If w keep playing as we are however, we may not even finish with a winning record.  

 

It will be interesting from several vantage points as the season goes on as well as afterwards.  

 

All we can do now is hope for the best.  All that most of us want is one Lombardi!  Just one!  

 

 

Very well said! I couldn't agree more especially with the one Lombardi Trophy.