SCBills Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Listened to Joe B’s podcast where he discusses the drive NYG had where they ran it down our throats and caused us to pull Poona Ford. The cascading affect of how it forced Ed Oliver to play a ton of snaps. The further cascading affect of how it puts more pressure of two undersized linebackers who are meant to fly around, not fight through the wash. Im fine with Dorian Williams learning on the job at LB. If Jackson, Benford & Elam is what we have to roll with for the season.. I’m reluctantly ok with that as well. I think 1T could be the position that not just hurts itself in a vacuum, but further compromises other parts of the defense. If we’re being honest, that might be my top trade deadline target. It would be a shame to have one positional injury become one that affects multiple others on the defense. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Ed was forced to play a lot of 1T when Jones didn't play in the playoffs either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Given that Poona Ford didn't look all that great I have to think that the Bills will likely use Settle as the 1T with Ed splitting time there along with Ford taking rotational snaps and Phillips taking 3 tech rotational snaps. I think the biggest acquisitions the Bills will make at the trade deadline will be for a 1T DT and possibly corner depth. I say corner because Dane's injury is not one that goes away with a few weeks rest. So getting a respectable corner to add to the depth chart is doable and fills a need to get someone reliable behind Dane as he manages that injury all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 By not finding someone to step in for Jones not named Oliver. when Jones went down it hurts both Days because now Oliver playing a position he isn’t good at. And the guy coming in for Oliver isn’t as good as a 3T as Oliver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Can we trade for one of those? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: By not finding someone to step in for Jones not named Oliver. when Jones went down it hurts both Days because now Oliver playing a position he isn’t good at. And the guy coming in for Oliver isn’t as good as a 3T as Oliver. Ed actually played 0 tech 1T at Houston and well He's actually not a bad 1T... The problem... Is you're taking a pro bowl caliber 3T, and plugging him into a dirty technique, that wears him out And the person that's replacing him at the 3 is not as good as him It's Eds body breaking down at the one technique That really sucks ... Not his actual play Him playing that technique for a majority of the season will beat him up and render him less effective ... Maybe injured But he actually takes on double teams effectively and I've seen him take on a triple team and beat it... Because he is so strong in his lower body He probably is the next best one technique on roster... But thats a problem ... I don't understand why McDermott hasn't gone out of his way to get more 1T He gets tweeners like settle who were better at the 3 than 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummernut74 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 It sucks ... the 1T is the single most important piece in a McD defense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) The loss of Daquan Jones has been massively underrated and understated. As @drummernut74 said, 1T has HUGE importance to a McDermott defense. Our defense was COMPLETELY different without Jones in the lineup against the Bengals in the playoffs last year, and we saw it again last night (though obviously the Giants, unlike the Bengals, didn't have the offensive firepower to capitalize). People sort of rolled their eyes the other day when it was suggested that the Bills look around the league to acquire a 1T via trade, saying that we should be just fine with the depth we have at the position. The problem is that the depth we have isn't particularly GOOD at 1T. Poona Ford has looked like a shell of himself. Tim Settle and Jordan Phillips are both subpar 1Ts. I maintain that a guy like Harrison Phillips, while not perfect, would represent a substantial upgrade. The Bills absolutely should be poking around to see if any decent bodies are available at the position from other teams. I think Dorian Williams is going to wind up being just fine at WILL. He's not Milano -- no one is. But he shows promise. Ditto our trio of corners replacing White -- not so bad. Survivable. But the loss of Jones is roughhh, and I think we're going to continue to see that unless the Bills address the position with outside candidate somehow. Edited October 16, 2023 by Logic 3 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Poona Ford has been a massive disappointment. He did some great things in Seattle and there was a lot of hype about what he could bring us when we brought him in. It was surprising to see him so far down the depth chart following Training Camp. He then spent every game until Daquan went down as a healthy scratch. We were activating Kendall Vickers off the Practice Squad over him. It seemed crazy to me - but last night we found out why. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I said a week ago that Milano might be better player but Jones' loss hurts us more. We really need Ford or Settle to step up or I'd try to trade for some 1T at the deadline - more than CB or WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubie54 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 28 minutes ago, SCBills said: Listened to Joe B’s podcast where he discusses the drive NYG had where they ran it down our throats and caused us to pull Poona Ford. The cascading affect of how it forced Ed Oliver to play a ton of snaps. The further cascading affect of how it puts more pressure of two undersized linebackers who are meant to fly around, not fight through the wash. Im fine with Dorian Williams learning on the job at LB. If Jackson, Benford & Elam is what we have to roll with for the season.. I’m reluctantly ok with that as well. I think 1T could be the position that not just hurts itself in a vacuum, but further compromises other parts of the defense. If we’re being honest, that might be my top trade deadline target. It would be a shame to have one positional injury become one that affects multiple others on the defense. I also think their running success was due to the LBs not playing the gaps correctly. Once the shifted over, the giants were not able to be as successful. Some of this may be due to Bernard's inexperience although it may have been how McD wanted to be aligned. Whatever the case, they left huge holes for the giants to run through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 They need a solution this season as Ford doesn’t appear to be it unfortunately… Might have to bring someone in.. anyone got any ideas who? I don’t see them giving up anymore than a Day 3 pick.. Draft one next year .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: They need a solution this season as Ford doesn’t appear to be it unfortunately… Might have to bring someone in.. anyone got any ideas who? I don’t see them giving up anymore than a Day 3 pick.. Draft one next year .. Ndamukong Suh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Since Carolina is going nowhere, is it worth McBeane's Carolina connections to explore trading for Derrick Brown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Poona Ford has been a massive disappointment. He did some great things in Seattle and there was a lot of hype about what he could bring us when we brought him in. It was surprising to see him so far down the depth chart following Training Camp. He then spent every game until Daquan went down as a healthy scratch. We were activating Kendall Vickers off the Practice Squad over him. It seemed crazy to me - but last night we found out why. This makes the second defensive tackle that we have gotten from Seattle that has come in here, and disappointed the first one being Jefferson Maybe we should stay away from Seattle for players 5 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Ndamukong Suh I’d be OK with it we could use an enforcer on this team anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: This makes the second defensive tackle that we have gotten from Seattle that has come in here, and disappointed the first one being Jefferson Maybe we should stay away from Seattle for players I’d be OK with it we could use an enforcer on this team anyway Jefferson already has three sacks on the season... I think he had five last year McDermott's rotation doesn't let many defensive linemen get into a groove and collect stats... He's a solid rotation guy at strong side end or three technique though He has a place in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) Still disappointed in the Poona Ford pickup. Thought the talk going was to be between him and Jones for that spot next to Oliver… 3 games, 42 snaps, 1 tackle. Wanted better from what I heard and saw in Seattle. Edited October 16, 2023 by BBFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I guess there was a reason Poona ford was still available for cheap in FA. He got talked up so much by Joe Marino who I have a lot of respect for. But it definitely makes me take things more with a grain of salt. For projections on guys I will be more wait and see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 I've been bitching about this for three years. I understand that it's difficult to find humans that big, but it's completely unacceptable that we can't seem to get this position sorted. There's seriously no other large humans we could've put on our practice squad? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Hey Denver we want dj jones and Jerry jeudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Hey Denver we want dj jones and Jerry jeudy No "we" dont jeudy sucks Edited October 17, 2023 by Dablitzkrieg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Jefferson already has three sacks on the season... I think he had five last year McDermott's rotation doesn't let many defensive linemen get into a groove and collect stats... He's a solid rotation guy at strong side end or three technique though He has a place in the league The criteria wasn’t that they have been playing well it was whether they played well as a bill I think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: The criteria wasn’t that they have been playing well it was whether they played well as a bill I think? For sure .. I wasn't calling out your post He really didn't do anything here... But he still an NFL worthy player who found some success The thing is with the d line rotation... It's more about the unit effort than the individual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 I think McD wants flexibility at the DT spots. You saw a few times yesterday the tackles would adjust to the strength of the defense, instead of switching spots. I think this is beneficial if you have the personnel but if they continue to do that, teams can take advantage getting a more favorable look with motions and shifts, forcing guys like Oliver to the nose. Oliver played 87% of the snaps yesterday. That is by far the most I can remember of any DT underneath mcdermott. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 4 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Ndamukong Suh He's not the dominant player he once was, but he's an upgrade to what we have in the building now. I'd definitely have him in for a workout to see if he still has something left in the tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 6 hours ago, Logic said: The loss of Daquan Jones has been massively underrated and understated. As usual I wanna say my piece and you've already said it. Jones was a massive, massive loss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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