beebe Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) Might the Bills be interested in Frank Clark? If for no other reason than to keep him off the Chiefs (KC wanted to sign him, but he wanted too much money). Bills pretty loaded with pass rushers but you can never have enough and this could be a bargain for a proven playoff performer. Edited October 12, 2023 by beebe this should have gone in NFL trade thread, sorry! 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 GIT 'R' DUNNNNNNNN!!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) Honestly, yes. An argument is there to be made that we should make our fastball faster. Load up on the pass rush. Bring Von along slowly.. Allow EDGE dealing with a nagging injury to fully heal (Floyd, Rousseau) and then once everyone is healthy, we can kick Rousseau inside on passing downs. No better way to protect a sus secondary than with nonstop pass rush. With his pay cut, this is a cheap way to add another legit weapon to the defense. Edited October 12, 2023 by SCBills 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Maybe he goes back to KC… 🫤 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, BBFL said: Maybe he goes back to KC… 🫤 That is 100% what will happen if he’s released. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Was gonna say what the hell do we need another defensive end for — we need a 1 tech, dammit! — but then I saw the minimum salary part. Yes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Do it for sure if at reasonable cost. You can't have enuf pass rush, especially in the playoffs. Pass rush is the way to beat San Fran. Probably the only way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Doubtful. The Bills are stacked at EDGE with 6: Von Miller Greg Rosseau Leonard Floyd AJ Epinesa Shaq Lawson Jonathan Kingsley Clark is likely not going to sign onto a PS. So who do you move? The Bills what they’ve seen from Jonathan Kingsley and kept him over a former 2nd round pick. I guess you could swap Clark out for Shaq but Lawson is someone who knows the defense very well and does a decent job in his role. Unless there’s a major injury to this group (which isn’t out of the question given the injury luck this season), I can’t see the Bills trading or signing Clark 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Are the Broncos getting rid of malcontents in the locker room? They must be because these moves are creating huge dead cap numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Package deal, get him and Simmons, give them one of our older (now slower) safeties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 35 minutes ago, BBFL said: Maybe he goes back to KC… 🫤 Hell no!! KC didn't want to pay him, now Frank will make them pay as a member of Bills Mafia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Prospector said: Package deal, get him and Simmons, give them one of our older (now slower) safeties Simmons has an $18,000,000 cap hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 10 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Are the Broncos getting rid of malcontents in the locker room? They must be because these moves are creating huge dead cap numbers. Maybe.. but someone like Frank Clark isn’t going to be cool hanging out on a team that’s season over by the trade deadline. He’s not a “process” guy.. but he’s a good pass rusher for cheap and if he can be had for a Day 3 pick at negligible cap cost.. why not? Should we be worried he’d cause problems on a DL led by Von Miller? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 He’s terrible without Chris Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 45 minutes ago, beebe said: Might the Bills be interested in Frank Clark? If for no other reason than to keep him off the Chiefs (KC wanted to sign him, but he wanted too much money). Bills pretty loaded with pass rushers but you can never have enough and this could be a bargain for a proven playoff performer. If you make moves just to prevent another team from signing a guy you are running your organization poorly. Should we also call and overpay the Jets for Mecole Hardman? A 2nd could accomplish it. As far as should they have interest...IMO no. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 22 minutes ago, JohnNord said: Doubtful. The Bills are stacked at EDGE with 6: Von Miller Greg Rosseau Leonard Floyd AJ Epinesa Shaq Lawson Jonathan Kingsley Clark is likely not going to sign onto a PS. So who do you move? The Bills what they’ve seen from Jonathan Kingsley and kept him over a former 2nd round pick. I guess you could swap Clark out for Shaq but Lawson is someone who knows the defense very well and does a decent job in his role. Unless there’s a major injury to this group (which isn’t out of the question given the injury luck this season), I can’t see the Bills trading or signing Clark I'm about to put you onto something good and you are giving me your problems. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: If you make moves just to prevent another team from signing a guy you are running your organization poorly. Should we also call and overpay the Jets for Mecole Hardman? A 2nd could accomplish it. As far as should they have interest...IMO no. You can't control what other teams do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, 90sBills said: He’s terrible without Chris Jones. He doesn’t really cost anything and we’d be rushing him with Oliver, Von, Rousseau, Floyd, Epenesa etc.. Edited October 12, 2023 by SCBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsUberAlles Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) Yes...dude is a beast during the playoffs even if he doesn't do much in the regular season. Sign him/trade for him. I am sure it wouldn't cost much in terms of compensation. Edited October 12, 2023 by BillsUberAlles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Would I take Clark here at that price...of course...will it happen, I am skeptical given EDGE isn't really a position I think Beane or McD feels we need upgrades on. Groot, Floyd, and AJE have been stellar...Von just got back and should get stronger as the season goes on, and then we still got valued depth behind them. But at that price, I wouldn't rule it out depending on what the draft pick compensation would be. I mean that contract is now easy for us to bring in, so given the weakness created by injuries on the D, maybe they they will see him as insurance to make sure the pass rush is top notch which can also help mask other deficiencies in the secondary if we are consistently disrupting the QB up front rushing 4. So having more bodies to have fresh rushers rotating in all game is something they like to do, so I also won't rule this out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Nope. The Bills don't need another Edge. You're not taking Von or Floyd off the field more than needed. You're not stunting the growth of Rousseau and Epenesa, who have both been playing well. So where does Frank Clark fit in? The Bills could use a 1T, a WILL, a corner...but not so much an Edge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 I’m game. If for no other reason than keeping him off KC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Honestly, yes. An argument is there to be made that we should make our fastball faster. Load up on the pass rush. Bring Von along slowly.. Allow EDGE dealing with a nagging injury to fully heal (Floyd, Rousseau) and then once everyone is healthy, we can kick Rousseau inside on passing downs. No better way to protect a sus secondary than with nonstop pass rush. With his pay cut, this is a cheap way to add another legit weapon to the defense. Very interesting. I've seen this idea of putting Rousseau inside before — is there evidence, from college or in the NFL, that he can win inside? Or is it all hypothetical at this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 The knee jerk reaction was no, but considering the price I think you make the call and see what they want. I think he has enough in the tank to make meaningful plays still 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 31 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: If you make moves just to prevent another team from signing a guy you are running your organization poorly. Should we also call and overpay the Jets for Mecole Hardman? A 2nd could accomplish it. As far as should they have interest...IMO no. I don't agree with this completely. It depends on the player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 DJ Jones is inactive tonight with a knee injury, but isn't he who the Bills should want from the Broncos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 39 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Simmons has an $18,000,000 cap hit. Let's pretend he doesn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 I would do it and move Kingsley to the PS if possible. Look our top LB is gone, the secondary took a big hit with Tre and both safetys are slow. More pass rush would help. And let me throw this out there... The Johnson Defense that Mcdermott was raised in was a 4-3. Sign clark, move Miller to the WLB and lets roll with a 4-3. Think on that for a minute... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Clark or K Jonathan? I take Clark for the vet presence and playoff experience. Miller and Floyd need to manage snaps and I would rather see a rotation with Groot, AJE with Miller, Floyd, Clark. Heck you can even bump AJE or Groot inside vs certain teams and go with a front 4 of Miller, Groot/AJE, Oliver, Floyd/Clark, especially in passing situations. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I don't agree with this completely. It depends on the player It really shouldn't. You sign players that fit your scheme and your team. If you're adding players (and I assume you would be talking about high level guys) that don't improve what you do just so another team can't sign, ultimately you are paying big bucks and getting reduced output back from it. Horrible way to manage a team. Now if the player fits and can improve your team...so be it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 I can’t believe someone in this thread said absolutely not because of how stacked we were at the position and listed Shaq Lawson and Jonathan Kinglsey as 2 of the pieces that made us stacked. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Gun charges and domestic violence charges. Sounds like a great idea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: It really shouldn't. You sign players that fit your scheme and your team. If you're adding players (and I assume you would be talking about high level guys) that don't improve what you do just so another team can't sign, ultimately you are paying big bucks and getting reduced output back from it. Horrible way to manage a team. Now if the player fits and can improve your team...so be it. Well yes, the scheme fit is obvious. That's not what I meant. I was talking as if they did fit the scheme and it came down to two teams that are trying for a Super Bowl. If that guy fits my scheme and he's a great player and I can keep him out of the hands of the other team, I'm doing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, noacls said: Gun charges and domestic violence charges. Sounds like a great idea Not a process kind of guy. Have a hard time seeing McD being in favour of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 14 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Well yes, the scheme fit is obvious. That's not what I meant. I was talking as if they did fit the scheme and it came down to two teams that are trying for a Super Bowl. If that guy fits my scheme and he's a great player and I can keep him out of the hands of the other team, I'm doing it Yes but need for your team still has to dictate. Obviously, if the player fits a need you go all in if another contender is trying as well. But if it just to stack a player at a position you don't need filled it's a waste of cap space and possibly hindering the opportunity to shore up your squad in another area. For the Bills right now EDGE is not a need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) I like the idea of moving Greg/Clark inside on 3rd downs and having 3 good pass rushers on the field together Having that kind of edge rush can help mask losing Milano and Tre at least somewhat Floyd Von Rousseau AJ Clark Kingsley will the Bills do it? Very unlikely. Edited October 12, 2023 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 I’ll pass, plenty of talent at DE, desperately need an interior presence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 We don't need a Defensive End. We're stacked there. All of these trade posts are being made for positions where we don't need help when we don't have money to begin with. If a Linebacker or a Cornerback becomes available, those will be the only positions we should try and make something happen with. And it would take a lot of work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Love the idea especially if cheap (obviously). We aren't going to find much above average help in the secondary. So we need to be ready to go with rush. Who knows what Von's gonna do. Greg with a busted up foot. Floyd had something last game too. One of these guys goes down long term, and we're toast imo. Absolutely would be calling at this point. Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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