The Frankish Reich Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 I think of myself as a high-information voter. Probably most people here think of themselves the same way. No 2024 presidential candidate fits perfectly with my policy preferences. And certainly they are very different in terms of experience, intellect, judgement, and demeanor. But some come far closer than others in my ideal blend. As a high-information voter, I don't just take into account which candidate comes closest to my ideal. I also think about how that person would fit as a president with the likely Congress he/she will have, and with the composition of the Supreme Court. For example, I favor the right to an abortion, more or less along the lines of Roe v. Wade. When that was the law, I didn't concern myself too much with how a presidential candidate views the abortion question, other than how he would impact the composition of the Supreme Court. Now I can't ignore that. I'm also kind of middle of the road in my politics, so I worry about the consequences of giving one party too much power in Congress and the White House. For example, a far right/far left House and Senate (particularly a filibuster-proof Senate). That would encourage a wild swing in either direction. With all that in mind, and in a vacuum (assume you have no idea about how the House/Senate/Supreme Court will be constituted in 2025), how do you rank the candidates now? Top 3, Bottom 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: I think of myself as a high-information voter. Probably most people here think of themselves the same way. No 2024 presidential candidate fits perfectly with my policy preferences. And certainly they are very different in terms of experience, intellect, judgement, and demeanor. But some come far closer than others in my ideal blend. As a high-information voter, I don't just take into account which candidate comes closest to my ideal. I also think about how that person would fit as a president with the likely Congress he/she will have, and with the composition of the Supreme Court. For example, I favor the right to an abortion, more or less along the lines of Roe v. Wade. When that was the law, I didn't concern myself too much with how a presidential candidate views the abortion question, other than how he would impact the composition of the Supreme Court. Now I can't ignore that. I'm also kind of middle of the road in my politics, so I worry about the consequences of giving one party too much power in Congress and the White House. For example, a far right/far left House and Senate (particularly a filibuster-proof Senate). That would encourage a wild swing in either direction. With all that in mind, and in a vacuum (assume you have no idea about how the House/Senate/Supreme Court will be constituted in 2025), how do you rank the candidates now? Top 3, Bottom 3. Is there a reason you didn’t start with your top and bottom 3? Edited August 29, 2023 by JDHillFan Horrific spelling error 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 If Bernie were younger, it'd be him. Since he's ancient, I'm going with Youngkin. I think he's a pragmatist and could help heal the hemorrhaging wounds of the country. I wouldn't likely agree with some of his agenda but I'd feel ok with him holding the nuclear football. And I don't see him cozying up to hate groups. Anyone know different? If he doesn't run, then Haley would be a distant second. Other D's just don't seem viable candidates right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) Would. Nikki Haley Ron DeSantis Would Never Biden. Trump. Any other of the current Dem mentions. Strongly consider moving out of the country. Bernie Sanders. Kamala Harris Edited August 28, 2023 by sherpa 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 28, 2023 Author Share Posted August 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Is their a reason you didn’t start with your top and bottom 3? I didn't want you to instinctively choose a different bunch! 20 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: If Bernie were younger, it'd be him. Since he's ancient, I'm going with Youngkin. I think he's a pragmatist and could help heal the hemorrhaging wounds of the country. I wouldn't likely agree with some of his agenda but I'd feel ok with him holding the nuclear football. And I don't see him cozying up to hate groups. Anyone know different? If he doesn't run, then Haley would be a distant second. Other D's just don't seem viable candidates right now. Well, your choice - Youngkin - is outside the scope. Current candidates only. But let me expand the question: what unannounced candidate would you prefer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Of the announced candidates: Top 3: Biden Scott Christie Bottom 3: Trump DeSantis RFK Unannounced: JB Pritzker Whitmer Buttigieg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) Top: Anti- communists. Bottom: Communists. aka those currently running the Biden WH. Edited August 28, 2023 by BillsFanNC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Top: Anti- communists. Yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) 👆 This is why we can't have anything nice around here +1 Trump DeSantis Nikki Haley -1 Biden Vivek Pence Edited August 28, 2023 by TSOL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 + Trump DeSantis Scott - Biden Harris Newsom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Still undecided… I was big on DeSantis 12 months ago…But ever since the campaign started, he doesn’t appear as confident in himself as he was during Covid… I’m intrigued by RFK and Vivek and want to learn more… However, if it came down to Nikki Hailey vs. Biden, I take Nikki all day long, even though I disagree with her Neo-Con foreign policy…At least her domestic policy would be anti-woke… I also rock with Trump vs. Biden… Never to Biden, Newsome, and Michelle Obama…Buttjudge is a joke…😉 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Trump He's tanned, rested and pissed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Still undecided… I was big on DeSantis 12 months ago…But ever since the campaign started, he doesn’t appear as confident in himself as he was during Covid… I’m intrigued by RFK and Vivek and want to learn more… However, if it came down to Nikki Hailey vs. Biden, I take Nikki all day long, even though I disagree with her Neo-Con foreign policy…At least her domestic policy would be anti-woke… I also rock with Trump vs. Biden… Never to Biden, Newsome, and Michelle Obama…Buttjudge is a joke…😉 I think if you give DeSantis 10-12 more years he could be a good presidential candidate, he still needs to grow some more and hone his skills for the national stage. He's got great ideas and seems to be a natural leader. With the current climate he's not ready to overtake Trump as the nominee. Trump's personality is too overwhelming, larger than life and it's like he's a 500lb gorilla on the American political scene. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 I love in a dark blue state. So I can vote libertarian and at least know I had no part in the disaster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Can we only vote in a vacuum? 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 14 minutes ago, Chris farley said: I love in a dark blue state. So I can vote libertarian and at least know I had no part in the disaster. Always ready to take a stand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Top 3…. Nikki Hailey Ron Desantis Tim Scott or RFK Jr Bottom 3 The crypt keeper Christie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 29, 2023 Author Share Posted August 29, 2023 3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Can we only vote in a vacuum? 😉 I think I'd like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 29, 2023 Author Share Posted August 29, 2023 My top 3, in order: Haley Christie Scott My bottom 3, in order (least bad to most bad): Ramaswamy RFK Jr. Trump A pure match-up, hold your nose and vote for him if the competitor is worse: Biden I'm starting to see that Haley probably isn't anyone's perfect candidate, but that she's acceptable to more people of many divergent views than anyone else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 I’m kind of likeing Scott He seems like a very likable guy he’s not old I don’t agree with all of his politics, but some of that stuff will never go over on the national level anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Rob DeSantis and it's not particularly close. Popular governor who's gotten things done, fights for what he believes in, Ivy league graduate, military background, and passed his two biggest challenges (Covid response and Hurricane Ian) with flying colors. Haley would be my second choice and Pence would be my third. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 54 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Rob DeSantis and it's not particularly close. Popular governor who's gotten things done, fights for what he believes in, Ivy league graduate, military background, and passed his two biggest challenges (Covid response and Hurricane Ian) with flying colors. Haley would be my second choice and Pence would be my third. When Rob enters the race, i'll read his platform... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 (edited) If the nominee were Haley or Pence I would go with them . Hope someone else enters the race who is moderate. Biden is just too old and never Harris. Disagree with refugee policy , no bail and lack of deterrence to crime , inflation has killed us on SS. Edited August 29, 2023 by ALF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 I'll support anyone who preserves our republic and stops attacking ANYONE not white, male and straight. I do not trust Trump, DeSantis and ANYONE associated with them... they are tyrants and do not belong anywhere near the White House. @Chris farley - hey eyeroll - are you telling me Trump and DeSaster aren't TYRANTS or that you don't care about our republic? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Too soon, If I have to.. id give Ron a chance to move to the center, this right of Don is old haley - most genuine, compromiser wes moore- up and comer. Smart and operational Noooo!!! biden kamie donnie Christie - he want to impeach trump vivek- smart like Pete B, easy to point bernie - Jesus … this guy? warren…. Lost her mind hilary newsome - corrupt Getty family pos pence- Wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Given the current limited choices… Probably will vote Biden but wish there were a younger Dem option I would seriously consider Christie, Haley or Scott - I think they are all capable, sane Republicans but would need to learn more about their positions on issues. I also doubt they can turn the direction of the party away from Trumpism. Will never vote Trump, Desantis, swampy Swamy or RFK jr. They are all insane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Andy1 said: Given the current limited choices… Probably will vote Biden but wish there were a younger Dem option I would seriously consider Christie, Haley or Scott - I think they are all capable, sane Republicans but would need to learn more about their positions on issues. I also doubt they can turn the direction of the party away from Trumpism. Will never vote Trump, Desantis, swampy Swamy or RFK jr. They are all insane. I wish someone like Jared Polis was running. Gretchen Whitmer would be a fun choice too. Edited August 30, 2023 by Roundybout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Roundybout said: I wish someone like Jared Polis was running. Gretchen Whitmer would be a fun choice too. Agree. Andy Beshear, governor of Kentucky would be another interesting option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 “And let me tell you……when I’m in the WH I’ll appoint the very judges that are making these decisions. Because I’m just a useful idiot communist.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 30, 2023 Author Share Posted August 30, 2023 11 hours ago, Andy1 said: Will never vote Trump, Desantis, swampy Swamy or RFK jr. They are all insane. Vivek is not insane. But he is the guy who will say anything he thinks will get him additional votes or popularity, even if it disagrees with what he said last year. DeSantis is not insane. But he was completely damaged by Trump and Trumpism and policy-wise no longer resembles the War on Terror JAG officer and congressman he once was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 I don't know that any 1 of them have everything needed to be a true leader of all the people ! That being said i would hope that the person elected would have a business back ground to run the US as such rather than of a personal political agenda of sorts . I would hope the person would have a strong sense of religious/moral beliefs & it wouldn't hurt to have some military background either . Also the person has to be very strong & willing to stand for those beliefs and not waver while also understanding others thoughts & beliefs keeping the difference between right & wrong in the forefront of every decision being made & common sense is a must also . But in todays world over sensitive & entitlement driven USA we have exactly what we have, leaders that will not stand for anything but try to please every one on every thing which is why our country is where it is . Use to be in order to become a American you had to assimilate into the American culture first learn the language & some of the history of this nation and believe in it while intertwining your individual heritage into your American dream but that has all changed now . We are no longer Americans first we are Asian Americans, African Americans, Irish Americans, Mexican Americans, always putting America second & we need a leader that will put America first again but i don't see that being acceptable any more . And we have all seen what happens if there is a candidate that try's to put America first the scrutiny & hatred for that person is almost unbearable !! So is there a candidate that keeps the American dream as it was intended alive running today or is it all for the NWO America where most anything goes & we sell your America to the foreign interests like China & such ? We can only pray that there's is one strong enough with all the quality's that it will take to be a true leader of this once great country !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 DeSantis is my first choice. I will vote R no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 It's pretty telling that everyone (Republican and Democrat) in this thread is pretty much resigned to voting for the "least worst" option. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 On 8/29/2023 at 3:20 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Too soon, If I have to.. id give Ron a chance to move to the center, this right of Don is old haley - most genuine, compromiser wes moore- up and comer. Smart and operational Noooo!!! biden kamie donnie Christie - he want to impeach trump vivek- smart like Pete B, easy to point bernie - Jesus … this guy? warren…. Lost her mind hilary newsome - corrupt Getty family pos pence- Wtf? This is hilarious. You wouldn’t vote for a guy that wanted to impeach Trump whenever he totally deserved it. Then you turn around and wouldn’t vote for a guy like Newsom whenever he’s just like trump without the youth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: This is hilarious. You wouldn’t vote for a guy that wanted to impeach Trump whenever he totally deserved it. Then you turn around and wouldn’t vote for a guy like Newsom whenever he’s just like trump without the youth Is this tequila, ambien or something stronger talking? No clue what the point is supposed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Is this tequila, ambien or something stronger talking? No clue what the point is supposed to be. You gave reasons as to why you would not vote for somebody has a Canadate The reasons why you wouldn’t are interesting He wouldn’t vote for Christie because he supported impeachment of Donald Trump so you wouldn’t support him for going against the grain of his party and doing the right thing But then you turn around and say that you wouldn’t vote for Gavin Newsom because he’s corrupt did you just not have anything bad to say about him or was that just an off the cuff comment? ALL of these candidates are corrupt in someway or another if for some reason you think the Donald Trump is not corrupt well, that’s where your problems start Edited August 31, 2023 by John from Riverside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: You gave reasons as to why you would not vote for somebody has a Canadate The reasons why you wouldn’t are interesting He wouldn’t vote for Christie because he supported impeachment of Donald Trump so you wouldn’t support him for going against the grain of his party and doing the right thing But then you turn around and say that you wouldn’t vote for Gavin Newsom because he’s corrupt did you just not have anything bad to say about him or was that just an off the cuff comment? ALL of these candidates are corrupt in someway or another if for some reason you think the Donald Trump is not corrupt well, that’s where your problems start Ah ok .. quick summaries need more context for you. Sure. christie- he dgaf about the office he just wants to ride Donnie into the ground, so useless other than his vendetta newsome- he’s heir to Getty oil family fortune and one of the 4 families that have colluded to control California politics for decades. They are corrupt elites- look it up? No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Ah ok .. quick summaries need more context for you. Sure. christie- he dgaf about the office he just wants to ride Donnie into the ground, so useless other than his vendetta newsome- he’s heir to Getty oil family fortune and one of the 4 families that have colluded to control California politics for decades. They are corrupt elites- look it up? No thanks As opposed to somebody with millions of dollars, but didn’t want to not be president anymore so he illegally made moves to try to cancel or election as opposed to that? I don’t have a problem with you thinking what you think about Gavin Newsom he’s definitely not my favorite candidate but your reasoning about how it’s OK for one to be some thing and not another is just baffling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 35 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: As opposed to somebody with millions of dollars, but didn’t want to not be president anymore so he illegally made moves to try to cancel or election as opposed to that? I don’t have a problem with you thinking what you think about Gavin Newsom he’s definitely not my favorite candidate but your reasoning about how it’s OK for one to be some thing and not another is just baffling right- let me clarify. Christie’s sole motivation is to eviscerate trump. So my point is hating your old boss for being a dousche isn’t a presidential platform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 31, 2023 Author Share Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: newsome- he’s heir to Getty oil family fortune Not exactly. He was kind of a hanger-on who started schmoozing the Gettys when he was very young, then got one of them to invest money in some vanity things like a winery. I'm not sure exactly how he parlayed that into living so well. There's probably a really good biography in his future where we figure all of this out. To me, more of an empty suit than a stalking horse for the economic elite. He has always had plenty of ambition without ever really standing for anything policy-wise. Good hair and access to a lot of extremely wealthy people who can donate to his campaigns. Edited August 31, 2023 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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