The Frankish Reich Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, B-Man said: "...stop hallucinating that the President has the Constitutional power to spend $400 billion without their approval." Since we're on a "get the holding correct" kick here, that should be: "without their unambiguous approval." If Biden wants to push it (he won't ... he's made his point, he can run on being the guy who really, really tried to hand over money to young indebted people, urging them to come out to vote), there's a big opening here: he presumably still has the authority to suspend payments due, maybe to tinker with the interest rates, and do all other kinds of mischief. The Court said Congress only failed to authorize canceling debt. Edited June 30, 2023 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 if I am trying to convince someone of my ability to lead a country I might not point out that I can't even pay down a loan. Truly though sounds like a Dem, I am too stupid to do basic things, make me your leader 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: if I am trying to convince someone of my ability to lead a country I might not point out that I can't even pay down a loan. Truly though sounds like a Dem, I am too stupid to do basic things, make me your leader 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 3 hours ago, BillStime said: I wish my parents turned 18 in 1989. Granted, I wouldn't have been born yet but they wouldn't be in their late 70s like they are today. I cherish every day they are here. I hope you have them for many years to come. 👍 My Dad turns 90 next weekend. Still going strong physically but starting to fail mentally. I just pray that the Bills can win ONE while he’s still with us. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 29 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: if I am trying to convince someone of my ability to lead a country I might not point out that I can't even pay down a loan. Truly though sounds like a Dem, I am too stupid to do basic things, make me your leader Her grandfather spent nearly two decades in Congress. Her husband ran talent acquisition for the Clinton campaign and is currently the managing director of one of those NYC-based businesses that doesn't even state what it does on its website because you're too poor to know that. I don't feel bad for her. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 @BillStime #winning 😉 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 31 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: @BillStime #winning 😉 Once again - you will see who has the last laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, BillStime said: Once again - you will see who has the last laugh. Admin filed for proposed rule making to get forgiveness under HEA: https://www2.ed.gov/policy/highered/reg/hearulemaking/2023/negregpublichearingannouncement.pdf could lead to all federal student debt erased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Virtually all PPP loans are being forgiven — despite concerns about fraud, undeserving recipients. And all you need is a simple one-page form to get relief If you received a Paycheck Protection Program loan during the pandemic, there’s a good chance you won’t have to pay it back. Millions of PPP loans, at a cost of $770 billion, were given out to businesses, individuals and nonprofits across the country during the pandemic. The loans were targeted to small businesses with fewer than 500 employees to help them keep workers as well as pay bills and overhead. Almost all the PPP loans — 90% — have already been completely or partially forgiven, according to NPR analysis of data from the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA). Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene had $183,504 in PPP loans forgiven. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-republican-critics-student-loan-cancellation-ppp-loan-forgiveness/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmm3 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Even if you think student debt nationalization is ethical (it's not) - a massive financial plan like this has to go through Congress. Blatantly unconstitutional for Biden to do it by executive decree. We don't live in a dictatorship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, paulmm3 said: ethical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 People have it twisted People are fighting over that loan forgiveness The real problem is how much it’s actually costing to go to school, and this comes from somebody who works at a university We charge way too damn much 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, ALF said: Virtually all PPP loans are being forgiven — despite concerns about fraud, undeserving recipients. And all you need is a simple one-page form to get relief If you received a Paycheck Protection Program loan during the pandemic, there’s a good chance you won’t have to pay it back. Millions of PPP loans, at a cost of $770 billion, were given out to businesses, individuals and nonprofits across the country during the pandemic. The loans were targeted to small businesses with fewer than 500 employees to help them keep workers as well as pay bills and overhead. Almost all the PPP loans — 90% — have already been completely or partially forgiven, according to NPR analysis of data from the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA). Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene had $183,504 in PPP loans forgiven. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-republican-critics-student-loan-cancellation-ppp-loan-forgiveness/ As originally designed via congressional legislation. Student loan forgiveness is also possible via congressional legislation. POTUS doesn't have the authority is the issue at hand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 21 minutes ago, paulmm3 said: Even if you think student debt nationalization is ethical (it's not) - a massive financial plan like this has to go through Congress. Blatantly unconstitutional for Biden to do it by executive decree. We don't live in a dictatorship. Yup. Nan even admitted this. 13 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: People have it twisted People are fighting over that loan forgiveness The real problem is how much it’s actually costing to go to school, and this comes from somebody who works at a university We charge way too damn much Yup. It's ridiculous and why I said they should demand the money back from their schools since they're the ones who got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 18 minutes ago, Doc said: Yup. Nan even admitted this. Yup. It's ridiculous and why I said they should demand the money back from their schools since they're the ones who got it. One of the reasons college costs so much is because the government got into the student loan business. Access to lots and lots of money is what drives costs up. Not sure why we never seem to learn this lesson. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: I haven't read the whole Sotomayor dissent. But here's something to be aware of: this is how appeals court arguments go! Justice Breyer was famous for asking long hypotheticals, sometimes with fact patterns this bizarre. What they're trying to do is to get the other side to concede that under some circumstances their view (that complete loan forgiveness is authorized) may be acceptable. That shoots down the argument that under the language Congress used, loan forgiveness is never authorized. If the other side (or another Justice) says, yeah, well, we're not talking about that, then you've made your point. [Granted, this is a silly hypothetical. But still, appellate lawyers are used to this kind of thing] It may be silly, but if the dirty bomb does cause a late payment on one’s student loan, I’m very pro-one-free-late charge. Per year. If a borrower has yet another dirty bomb delayed payment the following year, I think you have to question judgment. 50 minutes ago, ALF said: Virtually all PPP loans are being forgiven — despite concerns about fraud, undeserving recipients. And all you need is a simple one-page form to get relief If you received a Paycheck Protection Program loan during the pandemic, there’s a good chance you won’t have to pay it back. Millions of PPP loans, at a cost of $770 billion, were given out to businesses, individuals and nonprofits across the country during the pandemic. The loans were targeted to small businesses with fewer than 500 employees to help them keep workers as well as pay bills and overhead. Almost all the PPP loans — 90% — have already been completely or partially forgiven, according to NPR analysis of data from the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA). Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene had $183,504 in PPP loans forgiven. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-republican-critics-student-loan-cancellation-ppp-loan-forgiveness/ Related: Oranges and apples are both round, but are different fruits all together. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 23 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: One of the reasons college costs so much is because the government got into the student loan business. Access to lots and lots of money is what drives costs up. Not sure why we never seem to learn this lesson. Yup. Thanks Barry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pokebball Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Bill knows his house is where this needs to happen in. Wonder why he's scared to address it there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 "Stealing your freedom"? LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 4 hours ago, ALF said: Virtually all PPP loans are being forgiven — despite concerns about fraud, undeserving recipients. And all you need is a simple one-page form to get relief If you received a Paycheck Protection Program loan during the pandemic, there’s a good chance you won’t have to pay it back. Millions of PPP loans, at a cost of $770 billion, were given out to businesses, individuals and nonprofits across the country during the pandemic. The loans were targeted to small businesses with fewer than 500 employees to help them keep workers as well as pay bills and overhead. Almost all the PPP loans — 90% — have already been completely or partially forgiven, according to NPR analysis of data from the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA). Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene had $183,504 in PPP loans forgiven. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-republican-critics-student-loan-cancellation-ppp-loan-forgiveness/ I mean... I am sad you don't get how government works. Congress passed the PPP. If you'd like we can work out the basics of government this evening. I have a few hours to kill explaining that the president can't decide or dictate the financial situations involved here. But, yep, cool, you links a CBS news site that imbeciles will cling to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 🎯 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 Corrupt president’s fake promise even his own party leaders said is illegal was confirmed to be illegal 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 What a mess. DNC trying to buy votes on the back of real taxpayers. More handouts What a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 Where did Conald get the money to build the wall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 25 minutes ago, BillStime said: 🎯 Seems racist 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, TSOL said: Seems racist He can do with his money as he sees fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 28 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Corrupt president’s fake promise even his own party leaders said is illegal was confirmed to be illegal 😳 Knew this would happen and now will try something else illegal to rally support for 2024. Even though there's no way of implementing it even if elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: Knew this would happen and now will try something else illegal to rally support for 2024. Even though there's no way of implementing it even if elected. They knew they couldn't do it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 Where did Conald get the money for the wall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, Doc said: They knew they couldn't do it either. That's what I meant. It's manipulative but there's a lot of young people who will fall for it. It's plain cruel to people and families who were counting on it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 👆😆🤣 Oh, isn’t this is a cute little circle jerk amongst the cult? Manipulative… jfc How many Trump voters are disappointed about the super affordable Trump Care that was promised and never delivered? Oh, it’s too hard, we were told. But you know what wasn’t too hard? Getting those tax cuts in for the rich. But tell us - how did Trump get the money for the wall? Anyone? Bueller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 25 minutes ago, Doc said: He can do with his money as he sees fit. And if you or I started a college fund for only white people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, TSOL said: And if you or I started a college fund for only white people? Are you not paying attention to the rulings that took place this week? You would be free to do that. jfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 11 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: There are options, BillSy. Help your younger siblings. Provide sound guidance on how debt works, the extraordinary benefits offered by community college, the benefits of staying local, virtual learning etc. Research in-state options relative to income (NY Excelsior program). Look into programs where they get free education for public service (volunteer firefighters get an exceptional benefits if they attend community college). If you can afford to do it, help them pay for college. Gift them money. Pay for books. We were able to fund our children’s college debt with some strategic planning, heartfelt conversations on what we would expect in return for our commitment, good fortune and good children. My son’s wife has college debt (and she’s a young lady who powered through sone very tough breaks in life to complete her education), and they would have qualified for relief under the Biden plan though financially they are doing quite well. My advice was pretty simple—if you qualify for forgiveness when all is said and done, take it. If not, pay the debt off as soon as possible. If you are able, join the military and serve for a 3 year enlistment and then go to college on the GI Bill. Worked for me. There are so many options besides going in debt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 7 hours ago, boyst said: I mean... I am sad you don't get how government works. Congress passed the PPP. If you'd like we can work out the basics of government this evening. I have a few hours to kill explaining that the president can't decide or dictate the financial situations involved here. But, yep, cool, you links a CBS news site that imbeciles will cling to... If you want your taxes to payoff loans for businesses and politicians good for you. They should pay there loans just like the students will have too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 10 hours ago, TSOL said: And if you or I started a college fund for only white people? Still fine but obviously there would be backlash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 I love the Left trying to equate this to PPP. They are not the same! First, the PPP program was passed by Congress. Second, the intention behind PPP was the federal government was actually responsible for shutting down people’s businesses. The government caused the harm! That isn’t the case with student loans. The government hasn’t told college graduates that they can’t use their degrees. These two programs have literally nothing to do with each other. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 4 hours ago, ALF said: If you want your taxes to payoff loans for businesses and politicians good for you. They should pay there loans just like the students will have too. That's not your argument. Non sequitur statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 11 hours ago, Doc Brown said: That's what I meant. It's manipulative but there's a lot of young people who will fall for it. It's plain cruel to people and families who were counting on it. Honestly if your dumb enough to believe Joe lieden, when even Pelosi said it’s not legal, you probably shouldn’t have student loans 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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