SectionC3 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 42 minutes ago, Westside said: The wall has better odds to be built than biden student loan forgiveness plan. Thank you for conceding that the wall has not been constructed as Trump promised. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: The Wall/Mexico will pay for it: this is one of the strangest things about Trump's presidency. Of course Mexico wasn't going to take its own government funds to build a wall. I always understood this to mean that the Trump Administration - which had control of Congress! - would enact tariffs or probably a special excise tax on remittances to Mexico to create a dedicated fund to pay for "border security," i.e., a wall. And then ... no such tax (which could have been sold as a tax on Mexicans) was ever proposed, not even in Paul Ryan's huge tax package. Instead they tried the shady repurposing of U.S. taxpayer money, which was shot down as it was initially proposed, and that would have clearly been United States taxpayers paying for it anyway. A lot of people get so worked up about Trump's abuses that they forget how inept the Trump Administration was in getting things done. First, prior to the election, when Trump was asked directly whether he meant Mexico would actually write us a check, he said no. Second, as Biden found out, the President ultimately doesn’t have the power of the purse, Congress does. Finally, completing the wall would’ve been a far, far better investment of yours and my tax dollars than the ridiculous policy the current Administration enacted just to make a point. Where I will agree with you is that Trump never anticipated the amount of pushback he’d get from the Congress, on so many of his intentions…from both sides of the aisle. That’s on him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: First, prior to the election, when Trump was asked directly whether he meant Mexico would actually write us a check, he said no. Second, as Biden found out, the President ultimately doesn’t have the power of the purse, Congress does. Finally, completing the wall would’ve been a far, far better investment of yours and my tax dollars than the ridiculous policy the current Administration enacted just to make a point. Where I will agree with you is that Trump never anticipated the amount of pushback he’d get from the Congress, on so many of his intentions…from both sides of the aisle. That’s on him. That's because Dems were once for border security... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Doc said: That's because Dems were once for border security... You mean they actually cared about US sovereignty? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 23 minutes ago, Doc said: Control of Congress means a super-majority in the Senate. No Dem was going to vote for a border wall because they want illegals streaming over the border. Funny how Paul Ryan's budget bill passed then (budget reconciliation is not subject to the filibuster) without any "make Mexico pay" funding mechanism. It was campaign b.s. Trump will now no doubt blame all the "RINOs" for ruining his half-baked ideas. The truth is he didn't seriously pursue them. 22 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: prior to the election, when Trump was asked directly whether he meant Mexico would actually write us a check, he said no So ... how was Mexico going to be made to pay? And how does reprogramming U.S. taxpayer money to building the wall cause Mexico to pay? There was a way to do it if he had really meant what he said. It was campaign silliness, not a serious policy proposal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Funny how Paul Ryan's budget bill passed then (budget reconciliation is not subject to the filibuster) without any "make Mexico pay" funding mechanism. It was campaign b.s. Trump will now no doubt blame all the "RINOs" for ruining his half-baked ideas. The truth is he didn't seriously pursue them. Frank, I’m curious…now that we’ve seen the results, do you still think the wall was a bad idea? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Frank, I’m curious…now that we’ve seen the results, do you still think the wall was a bad idea? This may surprise you: I don't think "The Wall" was necessarily an evil or even a bad proposal. We went through phases of runaway (quite literally) illegal immigration across the southwest border, and "walls" (or fences, or other barriers) were reasonably effective in controlling this, at least for some period of time before the smugglers adapted. Here's the problem: smugglers now have a different model entirely. Classic "illegal immigration" in the sense of "sneaking across the border, making it inland, and then blending in" is no longer what happens. The new model is to exploit the asylum laws. The vast majority of illegal entrants now don't try to escape into the interior; they immediately surrender to the Border Patrol and claim asylum. This overwhelms the system, which was simply not built to deal with a hundred thousand asylum claimants per month. The new smuggling model exploits that, and yes, the Biden Administration (and to greater or lesser extents, every administration since Bush 43) adopted more lax approaches to the law that facilitated the development of the new smuggling model. So ... we need to look at the asylum laws and treaties. As we've seen, it isn't just a U.S. problem - look at the craziness of migrant boats from safe countries (France) to other safe countries (the U.K.) thought to be more accepting to new immigrants, or the horrific sinking of a modern-day slave ship off the coast of Greece last week. It bothers me that no developed world leader has stepped up to say we need an international conference on how to update the asylum system to best (1) ensure that truly persecute people have the ability to seek safety; but (2) doesn't incentivize the international human smuggling trade. So as for The Wall: it just doesn't respond to the facts on the ground now. If someone floats across the Rio Grande with an inner tube, they are in U.S. territory before they'd ever hit a wall on the Texas side, and yes, we have to (under the law and under basic human decency) rescue them and then put them into our legal process. So we are better off not talking about easy soundbites ("build the Wall" or "the very idea of The Wall is offensive to everything we stand for"), but moving on to actual policy/legal responses that will break this new smuggling reality. And yes, part of that is working with (squeezing, if you prefer) Mexico to do its proper part to stop smuggling across it's vast territory. Easier said than done when the smugglers actually act as the real government on the ground in large parts of that country. Like much of American politics today, the tendency is to reduce a complex issue to a slogan. You are for the wall or against the wall. I am for stronger immigration enforcement, and "the wall" would have a minimal impact on that today. Is there any candidate now (including Biden) putting forth a realistic plan to address the new human smuggling reality? Edited July 3, 2023 by The Frankish Reich 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Biden's Student Loan Forgiveness Was Always a Sham JOHN YOO & ROBERT DELAHUNTY The Supreme Court has dealt the coup de grace to the Biden Administration's student loan forgiveness program. Consistent with the Court's emphasis on the Constitution's separation of powers, the Court ruled that Congress had not granted Biden the legal authority to forgive debt amounting to perhaps $980 billion over 10 years. The Administration has repeatedly tried to short-circuit the legislative process by issuing major policy initiatives with scarcely a nod to Congress. The Roberts Court has rightly stymied its unconstitutional power grab again. Candidate Biden pledged in 2020 to cancel at least $10,000 in federal student loan debt for each borrower. In August 2022, he announced a plan that would forgive as much as $20,000 in loans for low-income Pell Grant recipients and $10,000 for all other eligible borrowers. (Eligibility was capped by the borrower's income level.) The overall cost of Biden's program is estimated to be between $300 and $980 billion—a massive impact on the economy. The soaring cost of higher education, and the burden on student borrowers (student debt is estimated at $1.75 trillion) are serious problems. But the Constitution reserves public policy choices of that magnitude to Congress. The President cannot make an end run around this process, however urgent the need for action is. Instead, Biden's Education Department relied on a provision of the "HEROES Act," a 2003 law passed during the Iraq War. In the event of a national emergency, it allows the government to freeze, temporarily, the student loans of soldiers and their families. The law explicitly allows DoE to waive or modify student loan regulations, but only so as to ensure that service members and their families would not suffer financially because of a deployment. Biden's DoE found such an "emergency" ready to hand in August 2022, in the waning COVID-19 pandemic, even though Biden announced only weeks later that the pandemic was over. Both the Trump and Biden administrations had relied on the HEROES Act to temporarily suspend student debt payments, interest accruals, and collections. But the Trump Administration concluded that the Act did not authorize broad loan cancellation. The use of the Act by Biden's DoE to cancel loans was contrary to government practice and interpretation in the nearly 20 years that the Act had been on the books. https://www.newsweek.com/bidens-student-loan-forgiveness-was-always-sham-opinion-1810253 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Irv Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 19 hours ago, B-Man said: Biden's Student Loan Forgiveness Was Always a Sham JOHN YOO & ROBERT DELAHUNTY The Supreme Court has dealt the coup de grace to the Biden Administration's student loan forgiveness program. Consistent with the Court's emphasis on the Constitution's separation of powers, the Court ruled that Congress had not granted Biden the legal authority to forgive debt amounting to perhaps $980 billion over 10 years. The Administration has repeatedly tried to short-circuit the legislative process by issuing major policy initiatives with scarcely a nod to Congress. The Roberts Court has rightly stymied its unconstitutional power grab again. Candidate Biden pledged in 2020 to cancel at least $10,000 in federal student loan debt for each borrower. In August 2022, he announced a plan that would forgive as much as $20,000 in loans for low-income Pell Grant recipients and $10,000 for all other eligible borrowers. (Eligibility was capped by the borrower's income level.) The overall cost of Biden's program is estimated to be between $300 and $980 billion—a massive impact on the economy. The soaring cost of higher education, and the burden on student borrowers (student debt is estimated at $1.75 trillion) are serious problems. But the Constitution reserves public policy choices of that magnitude to Congress. The President cannot make an end run around this process, however urgent the need for action is. Instead, Biden's Education Department relied on a provision of the "HEROES Act," a 2003 law passed during the Iraq War. In the event of a national emergency, it allows the government to freeze, temporarily, the student loans of soldiers and their families. The law explicitly allows DoE to waive or modify student loan regulations, but only so as to ensure that service members and their families would not suffer financially because of a deployment. Biden's DoE found such an "emergency" ready to hand in August 2022, in the waning COVID-19 pandemic, even though Biden announced only weeks later that the pandemic was over. Both the Trump and Biden administrations had relied on the HEROES Act to temporarily suspend student debt payments, interest accruals, and collections. But the Trump Administration concluded that the Act did not authorize broad loan cancellation. The use of the Act by Biden's DoE to cancel loans was contrary to government practice and interpretation in the nearly 20 years that the Act had been on the books. https://www.newsweek.com/bidens-student-loan-forgiveness-was-always-sham-opinion-1810253 The sad thing is that Dope Biden and his crime family will get votes from the phony plan. What a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsFanNC Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 That's right. They're called COMMIES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsFanNC Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Commies gonna commie. Wake. Up. The student loan bull#### today is just another example of Imperial Biden doing whatever the hell he wants no matter what the law says. It’s also an insult to those who never took out student loans or those who paid them back and to taxpayers in general. When I was Missouri AG I filed the case that beat back Biden’s previous illegal effort at the Supreme Court. We won but he’s back at it. The Biden Admission is totally out of control and lawless. There is nothing they won’t do to maintain power. Illegal act after illegal act. That’s your real Threat to Democracy™️ Time to take this country back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 You freaks didn’t mind when George Bush did this… idiots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 It needs to come from the colleges and universities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Another thumbs up from the Left signifying financial responsibility isn’t an obligation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsFanNC Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Let's make this is as simple as possible, but alas not simple enough for useful idiots... If person A lends person B $1000, and person B pays person A back in full. Who paid the debt? Person B paid the debt. If person A lends person B $1000 and person B pays $0 to person A. Who paid the debt? Person A paid the debt. ALL DEBTS ARE PAID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, SCBills said: "What if Trump defies the Supreme Court?!!!!!!!!!!!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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