Hopkins released by Arizona (7/16: signed by Titans)

[Patrick Duffy]

15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

That is a cherry picked summary of what Schefter said.

Nothing new is really reported here. The Bills and seemingly every other team are unwilling to give Hopkins the contract he wants. It will be a long process to get the right deal that both sides are happy with.

 

 

I don't know what will happen, but it may not be a very long "while" he'll be on the market as he predicts. I mean it seems since OBJ got signed then it might be easier for Dhop probably. No telling though

[Jon in Pasadena]

3 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

I don’t follow hockey, but in the event I’ve got the Sabres on the Telly, who are the two superstars? Did Dahlin ever pan out or live up to the hype? Haven’t heard his name since he was drafted. 

F : Tage Thompson (47 g, 94 pts, 18:35 TOI)

D : Rasmus Dahlin (15g, 73 pts, 25:48 TOI) 

Edited May 30, 2023 by Jon in Pasadena

[Einstein's Dog]

13 minutes ago, Augie said:

I just looked up Hopkins career earnings which appear to be just north of $111 Million. I won’t judge anyone else by how they handle their money, but if it’s me I try to get close on money, but pick a good place to finish my career. A place I’d be happy. Now, I can just hope to be presented such a dilemma and see how I actually decide. 

 

A lot of people say if it's about the money, we're done.  But they don't seem to consider it's not black and white.  For instance if the Pats* put out an offer $1M more than the Bills, it probably isn't cut and dry - especially if the competing offer contains incentive clauses.  It's just how close does our offer have to be for him to take ours over the competition.

 

I think part of the hold up is, if true, that no one has offered up OBJ money.  I think DHop has a legitimate gripe, I think DHop is more valuable than OBJ.

[Dr. Who]

Just now, JayBaller10 said:

I don’t follow hockey, but in the event I’ve got the Sabres on the Telly, who are the two superstars? Did Dahlin ever pan out or live up to the hype? Haven’t heard his name since he was drafted. 

Dahlin did develop into a Norris candidate level defenseman. Tage Thompson surprised everyone and became a legit 1C. They have a lot of great young forwards, Cozens, Quinn, Peterka just to name a few, with three top picks from last year and one from the year before (Savoie, Ostlund, Kulich, and Rosen that all appear to be progressing well) along with Owen Power, Mattias Samuelsson and Dahlin that form the young core of a top 4D. Devon Levi is very young, but looks promising as a potential NHL goalie. They need blueline depth and a vet goalie to pair with Levi, but the team is set to be good for a decade if they play it right.

[The Wiz]

5 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

A lot of people say if it's about the money, we're done.  But they don't seem to consider it's not black and white.  For instance if the Pats* put out an offer $1M more than the Bills, it probably isn't cut and dry - especially if the competing offer contains incentive clauses.  It's just how close does our offer have to be for him to take ours over the competition.

 

I think part of the hold up is, if true, that no one has offered up OBJ money.  I think DHop has a legitimate gripe, I think DHop is more valuable than OBJ.

I think it's more along the lines of, if the contenders are offering say 8-10m and a lower tier team is offering 15m that's when "if it's about the money" might come into play.

 

If the difference is closer, I think he would be more motivated to win a championship than get paid more.

Edited May 30, 2023 by The Wiz

[JohnBonhamRocks]

2 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

A lot of people say if it's about the money, we're done.  But they don't seem to consider it's not black and white.  For instance if the Pats* put out an offer $1M more than the Bills, it probably isn't cut and dry - especially if the competing offer contains incentive clauses.  It's just how close does our offer have to be for him to take ours over the competition.

 

I think part of the hold up is, if true, that no one has offered up OBJ money.  I think DHop has a legitimate gripe, I think DHop is more valuable than OBJ.

I agree with you because OBJ’s most recent body of work is catching a Super Bowl-winning TD, which probably inflates his value higher than it should be. Hopkins has been and clearly is the better overall WR. 

[Einstein]

46 minutes ago, teef said:

i know you think being contrarian makes you seem intelligent...i'd re-evaluate that.  

 

I'd re-evaluate what you think you "know".

 

I am not a contrarian, I am a realist. There are people who agree with me, and to them I would be a conformist. I am only a contrarian to you (and other homers) because I do not prescribe to what you think is true.. 

[JerseyBills]

2 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

He's bounced between 3 teams in 3 seasons, signed by Miami last September because of all their injuries.

 

Likley a similar 1 year deal to Quess ($1.6m).  He's sitting there on May 29th for a reason.

 

Again, I like the signing.  But it's depth and if he has to play meaningful snaps, then that means Spencer played horrible.  

 

My point is let's not act like we just upgraded the RT position, best chance of that happening is Spencer playing his A game.

 

I agree brother 

 

I have Brown penciled in as our day 1 starter. Expect and at this point demand a big jump in play

[HurlyBurly51]

16 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

I don’t follow hockey, but in the event I’ve got the Sabres on the Telly, who are the two superstars? Did Dahlin ever pan out or live up to the hype? Haven’t heard his name since he was drafted. 

Yeah, Dahlin has panned out, to say the least.

[Jrb1979]

3 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

yeah well where have I heard that before. (a lot over the last 12 years)

 

by the way, I'm not a big hockey guy but I did see two of their previous "superstars set up for long term success" are playing for the Cup. Albeit with other cities 

 

 

They had the youngest team in the NHL this season and missed the playoffs by 1 point. The future is so bright I gotta wear shades. 

 

 

[Einstein]

53 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

We don’t have to sit in the whiners room with the folks who didn’t make it. That’s worth something.   😋

 

Yeah it's worth a lower draft pick.

 

53 minutes ago, Augie said:

OH! AND…….if you are IN the playoffs, your chances of winning a SB go WAY up! I checked the math, and that is true. 

 

You need the stars to align, but with a few good bounces along the way we have a team that CAN win it all. I like being in the running most years over taking huge swings and missing. I liked getting Von last year, but the ball bounced the wrong way. It happens. 

 

If teams had equal odds (or even close to equal odds) to win the Super Bowl, by simply making the playoffs, then you would see a large variety of teams winning the Super Bowl.

Instead, five teams have won 13 of the last 20 Super Bowl's. 

 

Because there is a formula to Super Bowl teams.

 

And just making the playoffs is not the formula. 

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

Anyone else think they may have Non-Hopkins Fatigue Syndrome?

Edited May 30, 2023 by Coach Tuesday

[HappyDays]

53 minutes ago, Billl said:

Mahomes isn’t getting a new contract.  That’s all been made very clear.

 

Schefter today said that behind the scenes Mahomes wants a new contract.

 

If he wants one they'll have to give him one. When the best player in your franchise's history says jump you say how high.

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

You have a telling proclivity to cherry pick certain points, and ignore others.

 

Example: Admitting to two big signings, and ignoring the numerous other moves that built a team coming off a 17 playoff drought, to a perennial playoff contender.

 

We were discussing "big" signings. Not average-to-good signings that turned a middling team into a playoff team. I have a proclivity to following the conversation, yes.

 

 

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Yeah it's worth a lower draft pick.

 

 

If teams had equal odds (or even close to equal odds) to win the Super Bowl, by simply making the playoffs, then you would see a large variety of teams winning the Super Bowl.

Instead, five teams have won 13 of the last 20 Super Bowl's. 

 

Because there is a formula to Super Bowl teams.

 

And just making the playoffs is not the formula. 

 

 

 

I promise, if you do NOT make the playoffs, you will NOT win the Super Bowl. I’ll give you your money back if I’m wrong. 

 

I do hope you are the best in your industry every day of the year, and your child is always valedictorian. 

 

I’d love a Super Bowl. I don’t NEED a Super Bowl. We have a good and full life, and I enjoy watching our Bills on most weekends during the season.  The deeper they run in the playoffs, the more I enjoy it. But even if you DO win it all, you get ready for a new season. It’s not just about the moment of winning. For me I can enjoy going thru the seasons without having to be an obsessive malcontent. I do this for FUN. 

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Schefter today said that behind the scenes Mahomes wants a new contract.

If he wants one they'll have to give him one. When the best player in your franchise's history says jump you say how high.

 

I've always wondered what would happen if a HOF QB (like Brady or Manning or Mahomes) pulled a power move, asking for something crazy like $100M per season and not playing until they get it.

 

What would the Chiefs do? You're fresh off of a Super Bowl and Mahomes is in his prime, and you let him sit? Waste a year (or more if he's stubborn) of his prime?

 

QB's seem to be the least likely players to use their power.

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I've always wondered what would happen if a HOF QB (like Brady or Manning or Mahomes) pulled a power move, asking for something crazy like $100M per season and not playing until they get it.

 

What would the Chiefs do? You're fresh off of a Super Bowl and Mahomes is in his prime, and you let him sit? Waste a year (or more if he's stubborn) of his prime?

 

QB's seem to be the least likely players to use their power.

 

I would sit him, just like I would have done with Bruce after someone else got a raise to make more than him. Let them feel the pain. My list of faults is virtually endless, but I’d be stubborn over someone getting more than they should (which is obviously nebulous). 

 

 

.

Edited May 30, 2023 by Augie

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

I’d love a Super Bowl. I don’t NEED a Super Bowl.

 

I envy you.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

I envy you.

 

You NEED air and water. Remember the old asthma commercial that said “when you can’t breathe, nothing else matters”?   

[Einstein]

Just now, Augie said:

 

I would sit him, just like I would have done with Bruce after someone else got a raise to make more than him. My list of faults is virtually endless, but I’d be stubborn over someone getting more than they should (which is obviously nebulous). 

 

I think I would too.

However, the flip side to that is... As a GM and Head Coach, you have to wonder how long you can let a HOF'er sit before the fans uproar so loud (via loss of ticket sales as well as verbally), that you yourself are on the hot seat.

[GoBills808]

pry amazing how the argument has boiled down to 'well we don't need Hopkins because everyone is going to die anyway'

[Boatdrinks]

19 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Yeah it's worth a lower draft pick.

 

 

If teams had equal odds (or even close to equal odds) to win the Super Bowl, by simply making the playoffs, then you would see a large variety of teams winning the Super Bowl.

Instead, five teams have won 13 of the last 20 Super Bowl's. 

 

Because there is a formula to Super Bowl teams.

 

And just making the playoffs is not the formula. 

 

 

So what’s this magic  “ formula” ?  It appears at first glance to be a QB named Tom Brady , followed by a Roethlisberger , or one with a surname of “ Manning”. Anything else ? 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

I think I would too.

However, the flip side to that is... As a GM and Head Coach, you have to wonder how long you can let a HOF'er sit before the fans uproar so loud (via loss of ticket sales as well as verbally), that you yourself are on the hot seat.

 

I hope I would stick to my guns and do the right thing, the job I was hired to do. I’d rather be fired for doing the right thing than keep my job by being bad at it. 

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

So what’s this magic  “ formula” ?  It appears at first glance to be a QB named Tom Brady , followed by a Roethlisberger , or one with a surname of “ Manning”. Anything else ? 

 

SHHHH! Don’t give away trade secrets! We are just now decoding this Top Secret message. 

[BillsFan4]

If Hopkins is looking for the most money he can get, it’s not going to be Buffalo (or KC).

 

If he wants to play with a great QB and chase a championship then I think Buffalo or KC is where he lands.

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

So what’s this magic  “ formula” ?  It appears at first glance to be a QB named Tom Brady , followed by a Roethlisberger , or one with a surname of “ Manning”. Anything else ? 

 

Offense.

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

Offense.

Agreed. Not saying defense doesn’t matter, but the game has changed significantly in the last 10-15 years. 

[BillsFanForever19]

22 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Schefter today said that behind the scenes Mahomes wants a new contract.

 

If he wants one they'll have to give him one. When the best player in your franchise's history says jump you say how high.

 

Again, it's not just between us and the Chiefs. The Chiefs being handcuffed worse than us just means it's less likely they'll get him than us.

 

Those 4 teams may be who's in it now as far as the talking heads now. But I doubt they're the only 4 who are involved right now and especially when everything's said and done. 

 

As you said, this will probably be a long process. And I'm willing to bet neither of us get him. Though I'm hopeful it is us.

Edited May 30, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Airseven]

37 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Can’t really let him go to the Chiefs, I realize the Bills cap situation is tight but that would be a failure on the Bills end IMO. 

The failure would be throwing money at Hopkins in order to prevent the Chiefs from adding another weapon. Of course, the Bills wouldn’t do it for that reason alone, but it seems a lot of fans have devolved to that mindset.

[Bobby Hooks]

49 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I'd re-evaluate what you think you "know".

 

I am not a contrarian, I am a realist. There are people who agree with me, and to them I would be a conformist. I am only a contrarian to you (and other homers) because I do not prescribe to what you think is true.. 

I love when people who are obvious pessimists say they’re “realists.” We’re talking about an excellent football team and all you can talk about is the bad, and what could go wrong. 
 

Thats not being a realist, that’s being a pessimist. It’s the actual definition. 
 

An actual realist can see the good too, which there is a lot of. Like he said, you may need to re-evaluate. Throw in re-evaluating what a realist is as well. You sir, are not it. 

Edited May 30, 2023 by Bobby Hooks

[Patrick Duffy]

16 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

If he wants one they'll have to give him one. When the best player in your franchise's history says jump you say how high.

 

Absolutely right....and that's EXACTLY what the Chiefs are going to do and will be filled with happiness while doing it

[90sBills]

24 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I promise, if you do NOT make the playoffs, you will NOT win the Super Bowl. I’ll give you your money back if I’m wrong. 

 

I do hope you are the best in your industry every day of the year, and your child is always valedictorian. 

 

I’d love a Super Bowl. I don’t NEED a Super Bowl. We have a good and full life, and I enjoy watching our Bills on most weekends during the season.  The deeper they run in the playoffs, the more I enjoy it. But even if you DO win it all, you get ready for a new season. It’s not just about the moment of winning. For me I can enjoy going thru the seasons without having to be an obsessive malcontent. I do this for FUN. 

This is such a great perspective about sports! Unfortunately, this is most likely a minority viewpoint among fans. Bragging rights as fans of an organization is probably top on the list. And it’s tough to have bragging rights without a title. Each year it doesn’t happen it’ll be more difficult to claim they’re even an elite team. Gotta win one. 

[Einstein]

12 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

 

An actual realist can see the good too

 

You mean like this?

 

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/247798-reasons-for-optimism-pessimism/?do=findComment&comment=8414573

 

[Billl]

37 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I've always wondered what would happen if a HOF QB (like Brady or Manning or Mahomes) pulled a power move, asking for something crazy like $100M per season and not playing until they get it.

 

What would the Chiefs do? You're fresh off of a Super Bowl and Mahomes is in his prime, and you let him sit? Waste a year (or more if he's stubborn) of his prime?

 

QB's seem to be the least likely players to use their power.

They’d be stupid to price themselves out of the market that way.  Mahomes probably gained $20 million a year in additional endorsement revenue by winning the Super Bowl.  Why would he jam up his own franchise for an extra $5,000,000 and cost himself a Creed Humphrey which would both hurt his chances at another championship and expose him to potential injury?

[Brand J]

For someone who signed a 10 year $450M contract (Mahomes) not too long ago, I am surprised he’s grumbling about a new contract already. When you have that much money coming your way, is more going to move the needle in your life? Your kids and their kids and their kids are already set for life if used wisely. 

[Augie]

9 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

This is such a great perspective about sports! Unfortunately, this is most likely a minority viewpoint among fans. Bragging rights as fans of an organization is probably top on the list. And it’s tough to have bragging rights without a title. Each year it doesn’t happen it’ll be more difficult to claim they’re even an elite team. Gotta win one. 

 

Yeah, that would be nice, but how does it change your life? What happens when you can’t successfully defend the title? Is it back to complete despair? 

 

I’m not worried about bragging rights with anyone. I do this because I enjoy the Bills. It’s really pretty simple for me, but I have evolved over time. 

[Billl]

3 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

For someone who signed a 10 year $450M contract (Mahomes) not too long ago, I am surprised he’s grumbling about a new contract already. When you have that much money coming your way, is more going to move the needle in your life? Your kids and their kids and their kids are already set for life if used wisely. 

He’s literally said the exact opposite.  Guys like Mike Florio simply try to speak it into existence.

 

https://theathletic.com/4552865/2023/05/25/patrick-mahomes-priorities-legacy-rings/

[Einstein]

8 minutes ago, Billl said:

They’d be stupid to price themselves out of the market that way.  Mahomes probably gained $20 million a year in additional endorsement revenue by winning the Super Bowl.  Why would he jam up his own franchise for an extra $5,000,000 and cost himself a Creed Humphrey which would both hurt his chances at another championship and expose him to potential injury?

Why would Leveon Bell turn down a great contract from the Steelers, sit out nearly the entire year, then take less from the Jets?
 

Players just do dumb things sometimes.

[Billl]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

Why would Leveon Bell turn down a great contract from the Steelers, sit out nearly the entire year, then take less from the Jets?
 

Players just do dumb things sometimes.

Bell wanted a longer contract.  Mahomes has 12 years.

[benderbender]

Suddenly everyone is remembering what I can’t forget: the summer of JJ Watt aka the gaslighting saga. We’ve seen this before people. No preorders. Expect him to chase the money. He would have already taken less money already if it was a ring he was after. 

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

FWIW (perhaps not much)  a random twitter poster claims to have a friend in Bills organization who says it’s at the 1 yard line and everyone around the facility expects him to be a Bill within the next few days.
 

Take that with a large grain of salt….unless HappyDays can corroborate

Edited May 30, 2023 by Warriorspikes51