If final decision came down to Jack Campbell or Darnell Wright who would you select at at 27?

[Chaos]

Update: Further Fine Tuning: Down to two choices (will not necessarily be final) but looking to get a Majority Leader.  New Choice is Darnell Wright or Jack Cambell. ( There are 16 players ranked clearly higher, that should be selection as BPA available.   Jack Campbell is the fan's favorite to fill the biggest perceived hole on Defense, LB and Darnell Wright seems to be the favorite to "better protect Josh Allen. 

 results of previou  Campbell/Wright/Flowers Poll. 


https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/246617-your-choice-as-of-today-for-pick-27-limited-to-players-who-are-likely-available-to-select/

 

 

Current polling shows Jack Campbell, with a large lead, but nowhere near majority support (24% currently).  Darnell Wright is in second place.  Two wide receivers Jaylin Hyatt and Zay Flowers combine are about equal, and if combined would slide into second place.  

This post is asking two questions. 

1) If the only two choices were Zay Flowers and Jaylyn Hyatt who would you select? 
2) if the choices came down to Jack Campbell, Darnell Wright and the winner of the Flowers/Hyatt poll which of those three would you select. 

It is not possible we will get a majority selection from the large list of choices. Using this poll to narrow the consensus. 

Edited March 31, 2023 by Chaos

[NewEra]

I’d take Flowers over Hyatt on a coin toss. 
 

We have Josh Allen-  protect him.  Give me a RT over MLB all day every day.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Flowers over Hyatt.

 

Also switched my vote to Wright because I’d take him over Hyatt but not Flowers.

[Chaos]

35 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Flowers over Hyatt.

 

Also switched my vote to Wright because I’d take him over Hyatt but not Flowers.

Well, Flowers is currently winning the Flowers/Hyatt poll.  So you may want to consider that.  After a couple of days, I will modify the second question to reflect the winner, if there is a clear choice.   I prefer Hyatt over flowers, but people have convinced me that Wright is a more important piece of the puzzle than WR or LB. 

[BBFL]

Love your posts! Think they’re awesome and a great job on your part! 
 

thanks!

 

Regarding the post, if it’s between Campbell, Wright or one of the WRs @ 27, I think you go with the sensible choice and choose the OT. However, I selected Hyatt/Flowers due to the lack of solid options under contract for the next few years outside of Diggs. I think Gabe has a strong season then departs due to $. So who replaces him? We aren’t going to be able to pick Worthy or Harrison Jr. next year as, barring a total meltdown or Josh being done for the year early, we won’t be in the range they are going to be drafted. That leaves, as it stands right now, around the same talent pool as this year after they’re gone. 
 

Tough choice to make. 

[Chaos]

5 minutes ago, BBFL said:

I think you go with the sensible choice and choose the OT. However, I selected Hyatt/Flowers due to the lack of solid options under contract for the next few years outside of Diggs.

This is the Dilemma

[4merper4mer]

Rashee Rice will have a better career than either of those two receivers.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

5 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Rashee Rice will have a better career than either of those two receivers.

His tape does look great. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

15 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Well, Flowers is currently winning the Flowers/Hyatt poll.  So you may want to consider that.  After a couple of days, I will modify the second question to reflect the winner, if there is a clear choice.   I prefer Hyatt over flowers, but people have convinced me that Wright is a more important piece of the puzzle than WR or LB. 

I’m not against further OL help high in the draft. But if we haven’t gotten Hopkins then adding a WR on a possibly 5 year cost-controlled deal sounds like the better route. Flowers to me is just the most dynamic option. 

[LeGOATski]

10 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Rashee Rice will have a better career than either of those two receivers.

He's my favourite and he seems to be sliding/not getting mentioned much

 

[LyndonvilleBill]

7 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

He's my favourite and he seems to be sliding/not getting mentioned much

 

I hope he doesn't get talked about. He's my 2nd rnd pick.😁

[Chaos]

6 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

He's my favourite and he seems to be sliding/not getting mentioned much

 

He is projected to be available at 59 almost certainly, and maybe even at 91. I suspect this part of his reputation from NFL.com combine writeup is the main issue. 

 

Weaknesses

Can be nonchalant through drive phase of intermediate routes.

Lacks commitment to detail as a route runner.

 

PFF Version:

CONS
He lacks the long speed to be a consistent threat downfield.
Lets opposing corners get their hands all over him at the line of scrimmage.
No stranger to half-hearted routes when the defensive look says the ball isn't coming his way.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Jack Campbell! Also why no Lucas Van Ness or Michael Meyers?

[LyndonvilleBill]

12 minutes ago, Chaos said:

He is projected to be available at 59 almost certainly, and maybe even at 91. I suspect this part of his reputation from NFL.com combine writeup is the main issue. 

 

Weaknesses

Can be nonchalant through drive phase of intermediate routes.

Lacks commitment to detail as a route runner.

 

PFF Version:

CONS
He lacks the long speed to be a consistent threat downfield.
Lets opposing corners get their hands all over him at the line of scrimmage.
No stranger to half-hearted routes when the defensive look says the ball isn't coming his way.

Why do people always focus on the negative? 🙄.

[TheBeaneBandit]

Zay Flowers can wipe the curses from two former draft picks by himself! Flowers all day😆!!!

[Virgil]

OT or MLB are the only two answers in the first two rounds, barring some magical FA addition.  Another WR means nothing if Josh doesn't have time and confidence in his line.  Give Josh an extra second to throw and you'll see guys on the current roster magically get more open

 

We also can't run our defense with who is currently on the roster at MLB.  We need to make our defense competent in the middle.

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

LB has to be the pick at rd1 after we failed to secure David or Wagner. We could use 2 of the next 3 for OL and the other for WR.

[Chaos]

40 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Jack Campbell! Also why no Lucas Van Ness or Michael Meyers?

Because they are projected to be gone before 27.  If they are available they are already identified as BPA's to select in front of the choices we are discussing now. 

Its all explained here:  https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/246627-big-board-top-40-spots-first-cut/#comment-8335661

 

9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

LB has to be the pick at rd1 after we failed to secure David or Wagner. We could use 2 of the next 3 for OL and the other for WR.

WR's and OT's are more expensive than LBs.  5 year cap protection is better utilized on those two positions.  I would be OK with Campbell or Sanders at 27, but this is a situaton where one failure compounds itself by having to use a first round pick on an LB (not quite as bad as RB).  And in this instance no one seems to think any LB choice is a sure fire starter. The goal for the LB selected in one seems to be "hopefully NFL average".   As I said, good with LB, but I am not sure it is a "has to be"

[Chaos]

36 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Why do people always focus on the negative? 🙄.

Why don't people have reading comprehension skills? 

When some one says "I am not sure why they are sliding" it would be a bit demented to respond with postives. 

[BullBuchanan]

7 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Because they are projected to be gone before 27.  If they are available they are already identified as BPA's to select in front of the choices we are discussing now. 

Its all explained here:  https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/246627-big-board-top-40-spots-first-cut/#comment-8335661

 

WR's and OT's are more expensive than LBs.  5 year cap protection is better utilized on those two positions.  I would be OK with Campbell or Sanders at 27, but this is a situaton where one failure compounds itself by having to use a first round pick on an LB (not quite as bad as RB).  And in this instance no one seems to think any LB choice is a sure fire starter. The goal for the LB selected in one seems to be "hopefully NFL average".   As I said, good with LB, but I am not sure it is a "has to be"

I think it "has to be" because of what the fallback option is. We can still hope Spencer Brown becomes capable and if not we know what Quessenberry is. Dodson or Bernard int he middle and this team is DOA.

[Chaos]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

I think it "has to be" because of what the fallback option is. We can still hope Spencer Brown becomes capable and if not we know what Quessenberry is. Dodson or Bernard int he middle and this team is DOA.

Dodson or Benard starting are at worst a lost season.  Spencer Brown starting as a turnstile is at worst the lost of the future competetiveness of the team for a football generation. 

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, Chaos said:

Dodson or Benard starting are at worst a lost season.  Spencer Brown starting as a turnstile is at worst the lost of the future competetiveness of the team for a football generation. 

That's the most extreme bananas take I've ever heard. I assume this is in relation to Josh Allen suffering a career ending injury because of Brown?

[Chaos]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

That's the most extreme bananas take I've ever heard. I assume this is in relation to Josh Allen suffering a career ending injury because of Brown?

yes. it ls less bananas than round 1 "must be LB".   Literally no NFL team is thinking that. (correct use of the word literally).   Or "we are DOA if its not MLB". Both are bananas.

Edited March 27, 2023 by Chaos

[BullBuchanan]

3 minutes ago, Chaos said:

yes. it ls less bananas than round 1 "must be LB".   Literally no NFL team is thinking that. (correct use of the word literally).   Or "we are DOA if its not MLB". Both are bananas.

Plenty of teams that have drafted MLB high the draft in the past would probably be thinking "it has to be MLB" or they likely would have drafted someone else. Give me Simpson of Campbell and I'm happy. If you think you can trade up int he 2nd and get them, great. As long as it's not another Cody Ford situation.

 

Edited March 27, 2023 by BullBuchanan

[nosejob]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

Rashee Rice will have a better career than either of those two receivers.

Just did some research, I'm sold!  27 worthy?.....

 

EDIT: Did some more and there's quite a swing in opinions.

Edited March 27, 2023 by nosejob

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, nosejob said:

Just did some research, I'm sold!  27 worthy?.....

Consensus is he is a third round pick, so 27 would seem like a mistake. 

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

Rashee Rice will have a better career than either of those two receivers.

I wanted to believe in him, but in the games I watched I thought he had trouble getting separation and had some bad drops.  No doubt, I saw him make some very good catches, so maybe drops are concentration lapses.  Still, I will be a little surprised if he is drafted before the 3rd round.  BIG CAVEAT: I’m a fan who “tries” to scout through game videos, but I don’t know the technical aspects of any given position.  

[nosejob]

6 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Consensus is he is a third round pick, so 27 would seem like a mistake. 

Yeah I did some further reading....

[RyanC883]

Flowers will be a stud. 

 

Campbell and Sanders also.  

 

That said I’d take OT Wright over either.  LB in Rd. 2 or 3.  

[Chaos]

Based on prellimary results we will not get to a consensus candidate with three choices available.  Wright OT, leads.  It seems as though we will eventually be removing the WR option. I suspect the WR voters are prioritizing offense and will shift to Wright, but really don't know for sure. 

[MasterStrategist]

3 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Flowers will be a stud. 

 

Campbell and Sanders also.  

 

That said I’d take OT Wright over either.  LB in Rd. 2 or 3.  

Agree, I'm a HUGE fan of Flowers.  I think he's got Diggs potential, and would be our day 1 starter in the slot.   

 

Zay isn't a slot only player. But he will be a beast there and open up more options for us.  People forget Beas was basically our #2 from the slot, and allows less double teams of Stefon.

 

Darnell Wright would also be a great pick.  I'm probably overly optimistic about Spencer, but also realistic.  Preferably there'd be a 2nd or 3rd round OT to draft, then let the best man win the spot.

[Chaos]

16 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Preferably there'd be a 2nd or 3rd round OT to draft, then let the best man win the spot.

OT Matthew Bergeron might be there at 59.  I am less excited than the board about Wright. But I do think an improved line makes Diggs/Davis/Darty better.  I don't think Hyatt or flowers makes the line better.  But Allen can have a quick release, and Flowers might be the guy to get separation and move the chains the better than whom we have.  

Edited March 28, 2023 by Chaos

[nosejob]

I'd rather have Darnell Washington. Would be like a 2nd RT, great run blocker and be an outlet valve that no DB can contest.

 

Give me Jack Lambert...err.. Jack Campbell first.

[Chaos]

9 minutes ago, nosejob said:

I'd rather have Darnell Washington. Would be like a 2nd RT, great run blocker and be an outlet valve that no DB can contest.

 

Give me Jack Lambert...err.. Jack Campbell first.

[nosejob]

3 minutes ago, Chaos said:

I'd take this . What's with the F tho?

Edited March 28, 2023 by nosejob

[Chaos]

4 minutes ago, nosejob said:

I'd take this . What's with the F tho?

PFF ranks him at 70. and taking him at 29 his a fail.  No real consensus that he is a first round talent:

[Dr. Who]

8 minutes ago, nosejob said:

I'd take this . What's with the F tho?

And a D- for Darnell Washington. I like both the early picks, would really help the oline.

[Mc1320]

WR - let’s just go out score everyone.

[Green Lightning]

12 hours ago, Chaos said:

Solid, but I'm not a fan of Overshown. Too small.  Our DT's can't keep our LBs clean. 

[ProcessTruster]

BPA on offense.  Position doesn't matter.