JDubya76 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Give him the tools that allow him to stand in the pocket and not have to bail less than 2 seconds or a dedicated running game that doesn’t include their qb toting the rock and he’ll stay nice and healthy. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 You know what’s not sustainable, Father McDermott? Coaching a team that has a top 3 QB, but can’t sniff the Super Bowl. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Josh Allen's running ability is what sets him apart. He's another weapon when you forget about containing him and he gets loose. His running is also deadly in the red zone. He slides plenty, so no need to change anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 5 hours ago, Beck Water said: So you can't change who he fundamentally is, but you can change how he applies who he is. Fundamentally, Josh Allen is very competitive. So if you persuade him the best way to win is to give other people the ball and let them make plays, that's what he'll do. If he gets into a mindset like "Sebastian the Frog" where "You want it done right, you got to do it yourself", he'll run. Case in point: Josh ran less in 2019 and 2020. Less attempts per game, less yards. In 2019, he was given Brown and Beasley. In 2020, Diggs. So Josh saw that the way to win was to get those guys the ball and let them make plays. In 2021, Emmanual Sanders was not what we hoped and Beasley had fallen off, and the run game was moribund, plus, teams had figured out how to defend us more effectively. So, Josh ran more. In 2022, even more so - the scheme was less effective, the way Josh was executing it was less effective, Josh went into "superhero" mode. Get him more tools, and he'll use them. Agree if you can give him better protection and more weapons he will see the need to run less. But it isn't just volume. It is about being smart when he runs. It is about getting down. And whether Josh runs once a game or 5 times a game when he takes off he is going to fight for every inch. He has said it himself... he likes getting hit it get him going. I don't think he is ever gonna ba a "see the first down marker and get down" guy. The competitor in him is always going to risk a hit for an extra yard. And honestly if you take that out of him is he the same guy? It is just a reality we are going to have to learn to live with IMO. Though no doubt getting a better supporting cast might at least reduce the volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 11 hours ago, GunnerBill said: It is on Josh and frankly I am not sure you can change him. Agreed. The competitiveness inside Allen is too strong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 9 hours ago, BarleyNY said: Completely agree. Allen was in the pocket when he got hurt. And the OTs are exactly the same as last season. The first year he got injured in the pocket. This past year ì believe he got injured on that tackle at the sideline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 6 hours ago, Gugny said: You know what’s not sustainable, Father McDermott? Coaching a team that has a top 3 QB, but can’t sniff the Super Bowl. I mean he did sniff it, one win away 2 years ago, likely 13 seconds away last year, and Brian Daboll away from it this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 So let it be known Allen is to blame and not the fact his line was ranked 26th according to PFF and his receivers dropped the 2nd most passes as a group in the league gotcha. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, AuntieEm said: The first year he got injured in the pocket. This past year ì believe he got injured on that tackle at the sideline. The elbow was against the Jets on a hit in the pocket. The RT gave up the hit. IIRC Quessenberry was in for Brown. Edited March 28, 2023 by BarleyNY 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 29 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: So let it be known Allen is to blame and not the fact his line was ranked 26th according to PFF and his receivers dropped the 2nd most passes as a group in the league gotcha. Allen isn't to blame for the amount he had to run. The fact he almost never slides... that is on him and only him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 11 hours ago, nucci said: I wouldn't call this an employee thing. He's kinda the franchise. You bench Allen because of this you lose the team and piss him off BS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 13 hours ago, DCbillsfan said: If you want your QB to run less, take less hits, and slide more then maybe you should back that up by not calling QB sneaks on 3rd and short or 4th and short. WTF Yeah. Or Like in your own end zone on the half yard line, against a DLine that you havent done anything against all game. Ugh that Minnesota game still makes me ill. Just like the Titans blunder a few years ago. Simple coaching mistakes that cost us 1 seeds with an week off in the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 7 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Josh Allen's running ability is what sets him apart. He's another weapon when you forget about containing him and he gets loose. His running is also deadly in the red zone. He slides plenty, so no need to change anything. Until he's out for the season or suffers an injury where he comes back but is never the same. yes Allen is a threat to run, and that is aprt of his game... but his longevity will suffer if he continues to be reckless about it AND if he is always waiting for the downfield stuff to develop he will continue to take more unecessary hits shortening his career lifespan.... Give the guy a major investment in the OL and take the underneath stuff and focus a little more on ball control and moving the chains IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) This front office and coaching staff is stubborn as hell and its not going to be beneficial to the team going forward. Beane is deadset on getting guys who can run after the catch with a QB who rarely throws the ball in time for a WR to have time to get YAC. Coach wants Josh to slide more, meanwhile his running ability is a huge chunk of the offense and one of major reasons he is a game changer at QB. I sit here and watch the video and hear this guy blabber at the end about Josh's UCL injury all the while thinking to myself, "The injury was inside the pocket." This team won 13 games last year and all of the sudden we need to put our foot down on the one reason the team won 13 games? If Coach wants to be more successful as a team in the playoffs and get to the Super Bowl maybe he should be putting his foot down on himself, or put his foot down on Beane who is looking at rival AFC East teams load up on offense while we are paying Ed Oliver 10 million dollars this year and have Gabriel "Try Hard" Davis as our #2 wideout. When your coaching staff wasted the best chance the Bills have had to win a Super Bowl in 30 years by throwing up on itself during 13 seconds, maybe humble yourself and not call out your star QB for doing the wrong thing in the media. Edited March 28, 2023 by thenorthremembers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, ganesh said: Agreed. The competitiveness inside Allen is too strong Competitive, sure, but he's not a dumbass. He has to know that not sliding when he can and trying to run over or leap over defenders is going to catch up to him. All coach is saying is we're going to run him less on called runs AND he needs to better protect himself. As far as the oline...I know, I know. That's not an excuse to run into brick walls on your own volition. What's wrong with gaining the first down and running out of bounds berfore you get popped? Wrs do it all the time. He has to know this. Edited March 28, 2023 by Dopey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Running less? Mcd might as well have just said "I don't like winning" Way too many spots I remember Josh making a run that changed the game completely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 7 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Josh Allen's running ability is what sets him apart. He's another weapon when you forget about containing him and he gets loose. His running is also deadly in the red zone. He slides plenty, so no need to change anything. The Bills have to upgrade the OL. I believe the Eagles and Chiefs had the #1 and #2 ranked OL's last year. Look who played in the Super Bowl. The Bills was ranked #26. When your QB is your primary running game than that is a bad thing not a good one. Just think of how much more dangerous Allen would be with a strong OL and a strong running game with the RB's doing it. It would open up the passing game that much more and Allen and the offense would be unstoppable for the most part. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 I'm sick of listening to that guy. Freaking know-it-all and has been since Day One here. I'm sure Sean will get his new defensive toys early in the draft as always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, motorj said: Running less? Mcd might as well have just said "I don't like winning" Way too many spots I remember Josh making a run that changed the game completely Because his protection broke down because he waits in the pocket letting downfield option develop to often both of these issues causes Allen to run more than he needs to. He can still run and will but we need to reduce the amount of hits he takes and that would only happen with a major improved OL and taking the underneath stuff mor eoften that keeps him form holding the ball so long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Because his protection broke down because he waits in the pocket letting downfield option develop to often both of these issues causes Allen to run more than he needs to. He can still run and will but we need to reduce the amount of hits he takes and that would only happen with a major improved OL and taking the underneath stuff mor eoften that keeps him form holding the ball so long If the Bills want to check down constantly then why not hire Joe Lombardi as the OC? Then James Cook can be our leading pass-catcher, and we can score 22-points per game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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