Orlando Brown signs with Bengals

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

All of our free agent spending so far has been on offense, not counting Poyer. We just haven't made any splash moves yet. I'm keeping my fingers crossed we still make a big move for a receiver (Jeudy, Hopkins, or OBJ, in that order of preference). Or failing that I would still take Seumalo as a big upgrade at guard and then let Bates and McGovern battle it out for the other spot. We still have enough cap space to make an impact offensive signing at some position IMO.

“All of our FA spending not counting Poyer”

 

Weve re-signed a ST Ace, Punter, Safety, tendered a CB and then signed a Guard to replace Saffold and decided to throw 3M at McKenzie’s replacement. 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Dion was inconsistent as it gets last season… and the dudes a fat blob…. Wouldn’t count on him maintaining a high level of play too much longer.

Coming out of shape in the camp was definitely a problem with Dion

[JohnNord]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

“All of our FA spending not counting Poyer”

 

Weve re-signed a ST Ace, Punter, Safety, tendered a CB and then signed a Guard to replace Saffold and decided to throw 3M at McKenzie’s replacement. 

They haven’t really spent that much

Just now, ScottLaw said:

The funny thing is McBeane probably see this signing as an reason to blow their wad on an edge rusher in FA or in the first round.😅

I would not be shocked to see LB/DE in Round 1.  It’s probably my biggest fear

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

“All of our FA spending not counting Poyer”

 

Weve re-signed a ST Ace, Punter, Safety, tendered a CB and then signed a Guard to replace Saffold and decided to throw 3M at McKenzie’s replacement. 

 

I guess I don't factor in small money re-signings. But that's the point. We haven't really done much at all in free agency. Our two biggest new contracts are just a $3.7 million and a $4 million cap hit in 2023. I always thought that we would end up with enough cap space to make one splash move on offense and fill in our other holes with small to moderate sized deals. As of right now that's still what I expect. The only glaring hole still on the roster is MLB.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I guess I don't factor in small money re-signings. But that's the point. We haven't really done much at all in free agency. Our two biggest new contracts are just a $3.7 million and a $4 million cap hit in 2023. I always thought that we would end up with enough cap space to make one splash move on offense and fill in our other holes with small to moderate sized deals. As of right now that's still what I expect. The only glaring hole still on the roster is MLB.

I’m also expecting one big move/trade.  
 

Watching the Chiefs and Bengals play musical top tier Tackles while we wait isn’t ideal. 

[Breakout Squad]

57 minutes ago, Success said:

I think I would have been okay w/ literally ANY OTHER TEAM.

 

That's a tough one.

 

Surprised the ‘cheap’ Bengals doled out that guaranteed cash. It’s a new NFL.

[Franco_92]

19 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Haha, I thought you were talking about Spencer 😂😂😂

He sucks too

[John from Riverside]

11 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I’m also expecting one big move/trade.  
 

Watching the Chiefs and Bengals play musical top tier Tackles while we wait isn’t ideal. 

Where do you expect the money for this diving into the musical chairs to come from?
 

We only had so much money to begin with the GM is a master of the cap but there’s still a cap

[Buffalo_Stampede]

21 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

All of our free agent spending so far has been on offense, not counting Poyer. We just haven't made any splash moves yet. I'm keeping my fingers crossed we still make a big move for a receiver (Jeudy, Hopkins, or OBJ, in that order of preference). Or failing that I would still take Seumalo as a big upgrade at guard and then let Bates and McGovern battle it out for the other spot. We still have enough cap space to make an impact offensive signing at some position IMO.

My post was based on multiple years.

 

McGovern and Harty don’t really push the needle to surrounding Josh with talent.

[Milanos Milano]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Not sure McBeane will ever see it this way. 

Then he needs to be shown the door. He proved to us that he hasn’t built a team capable of beating Cincinnati. We were getting rolled before Hamlin went down, and proceeded to get ultra rolled in the playoffs. That’s with all the defensive capital that got invested, and we still couldn’t stop them. The only answer now is to go out and get a star WR and draft a bunch of Olinemen. 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Where do you expect the money for this diving into the musical chairs to come from?
 

We only had so much money to begin with the GM is a master of the cap but there’s still a cap

My plan? 

 

Someone will give us a pick for Ed Oliver.  

 

There’s 10M.  
 

Extend Daquan Jones - frees up another couple Mil. 
 

We should probably draft a DT early anyway… Currently none under contract for ‘24. 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, SCBills said:

My plan? 

 

Someone will give us a pick for Ed Oliver.  

 

There’s 10M.  
 

Extend Daquan Jones - frees up another couple Mil. 
 

We should probably draft a DT early anyway… Currently none under contract for ‘24. 

 

 

So I’m in the trade oliver camp to we have to find a willing suitor for that because they’re also taking on a $10 million contract I think that we can find a three tech for less money.

 

If Brandon runs this anything like he did last year, he extends contracts and frees money as he goes

[Richard Noggin]

59 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I don't like it either, but if there's a silver lining, it's that it just got that much harder to keep Tee Higgins.

 

Unfortunately, they'll have an opportunity to trade him for reasonable value. And as the Bills can attest, it really CAN work for both sides: trading a 1st for an emerging WR1 who needs to get paid and then fed, AND getting 1st round+ value FOR that guy you won't be able to re-sign.

• Stefon Diggs has been an all-time franchise great in Buffalo, has been integral in Josh Allen's ascension, and STILL brings an edge to the field that most of his teammates can't match.
• AJ Brown was pretty decent for the Eagles, and I guess we'll see what the Titans make of their draft picks. 
• Devante Adams had high-end production for the Raiders, but needed a HIGH volume to get there. Catch % and 1Ds were WAY down, while Y/R and TDs were up...so maybe he was working downfield considerably more. 
• Tyreek Hill was an effing beast for the Dolphins. Huge jump in production. 
• DeAndre Hopkins definitely had a big first year in Arizona, and since then, when healthy has still been a #1 guy. But age is maybe catching up (which is more likely to be true for a guy who has never been accused of outworking anyone off the field). 

Bottom line? I don't know. It still seems like a decent move to spend draft assets AND big money on a bona fide WR1 in his prime. Nothing helps a QB more than an alpha dawg WR out there who reliably wins his reps and/or forces defenses to over-commit. (Think KC in the 13 seconds game. Davis was repeatedly singled-up, often with a big, flat-footed cushion. No safety help. No 2023 Patrick Peterson insight on Davis's reliance on in-breaking routes. But it was Diggs who created the coverage liability Allen and Davis exploited repeatedly.) 

 

A team would be smart to trade for Higgins after the season. And Cinci would be wise to maximize their return before the player leaves withOUT compensation. 

[Gugny]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

So you’re upset we’re not keeping up with the Joneses

 

The Joneses have been going to (and winning) Super Bowls with their young QBs.

 

 

[pigpen65]

Whipped the Bills's asses with 3 backups and now this?

 

 

 

 

 

[SydneyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I’m just gonna say that we’re not done yet
 

The ol was not horrible. It just wasn’t good enough. We’re not replacing every player on this line.

 

Dion Dawkins is not being replaced

Mitch Morse is not being replaces

Ryan Bates is not being replacd

Spencer Brown is probably not being replaced, although we should draft competition

 

I don’t think we’re done, but some of this might come through the draft

 

I think right out the gate immediately Connor McGovern is better than Rodger Saffold

 

If they weren't horrible they weren't far from it. We had at least 2 if not 3 turnstiles for good chunks of games.

 

I don't give a flying rats clacker about WR or LB - get me a blue chip IOL and a RT. 

[Punching Bag]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

LT was the biggest weakness on their offense so this hurts.

 

However I'm now even more confused about the Chiefs signing Jawaan Taylor to be their LT for a higher AAV than Brown got.

 

Likely inside information on Orlando Brown's issues including mistakes he made which others may have covered, medical issues and fitting in with other teammates.

 

[GreggTX]

Looks like they're serious about winning a SB. They recognize the value of a good OL. We don't. We just shuffle in backups and say "good enough."

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

My plan? 

 

Someone will give us a pick for Ed Oliver.  

 

There’s 10M.  
 

Extend Daquan Jones - frees up another couple Mil. 
 

We should probably draft a DT early anyway… Currently none under contract for ‘24. 

 

 

McKenzie is another $2.3M in cap space as well. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 hours ago, JohnNord said:

We think alike.  My problem is that unlike CIN and KC who proactively put a lot of resources in their crappy OL’s, the Bills seem content to hope that last years line will get better.

 

Replacing Saffold for McGovern should help but is that really enough?  And does anyone actually think Spencer Brown is suddenly going to be a great RT after two largely below average seasons?  

You knew watching Bills games, that 5-6 times a game, the LDE was going to get a free run at Allen.

 

Allen avoided pressure, but he was constantly having to move. 
 

The Jets game away had to have been horrible for the offensive line, but Brown especially. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 hours ago, Locomark said:

Dear BB, it’s an offensive arms race now. The Bengals let both of their quality safeties walk just to beef up their offense. Your move now. 

Mike Schop’s response to everything;

 

“Yes but according to the BetQL app, the Bills are still the favorites to win the Super Bowl” so that must mean that’s what’s going to happen.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 hours ago, GreggTX said:

Looks like they're serious about winning a SB. They recognize the value of a good OL. We don't. We just shuffle in backups and say "good enough."

Too be fair they have about $100 million in future cap space on rookie contracts. QB Burrow, WR Chase, and OT Williams.

 

Beane had his chance to do this but spent his load on middling defensive linemen.

 

 

Edited March 16, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[DaggersEOD]

The Bills should be investing in their O-Line like they’ve been investing in their D-Line. 
 

All the picks and FA we’ve dumped there should’ve been used for the O-Line. Now that we’ve finally acknowledged that and are starting to address the O-line as a unit, we need to go all in. 
 

To me, it’s literally the foundation of an O. I would even go so far as to say that AS A UNIT, they are on par w/QB in how much they impact every play. 
 

You can have the MVP behind center w/a HOF RB and WR, but if the line doesn’t give them time/holes to run through, they will struggle. 
 

If you have a HOF O-line, you can win w/JAGS at WR/RB and average QB play. 
 

Putting shiny new Skill players on an O w/out a line is like bolting speed accessories onto an ‘85 Honda. 

[Coach Tuesday]

Folks here don’t like to admit it but the Bengals’ threadbare FO has been running circles around OBD for several offseasons in a row.  They consistently find value and quality in free agency.

[H2o]

I do think this is the year the Bills invest in the OL, I just think it will be through the draft and not in FA. I expect McGovern to be the one, big, FA signing on the OL. They also went out and got that speedy, shifty, deep threat WR they were looking for in FA. The report at the combine was they were looking at those types of guys. I don't believe it completely takes them out of the market if a guy they REALLY like falls into their laps, but I do think it allows them to allocate draft picks to other positions primarily. 

 

The Bengals are putting themselves up against it cap wise. They have Burrow, Chase, and Higgins that will all require contracts in the next couple of seasons. The loss of either of the WR's will definitely have a ripple effect on the offense. Most likely it will be Higgins as the odd man out. They are seeing a bit of an exodus this year with 4 out of 6 guys who played key roles having already signed elsewhere. I don't expect Eli Apple back either. It's why the draft is so important for each team, not just our own. 

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, H2o said:

I do think this is the year the Bills invest in the OL, I just think it will be through the draft and not in FA. I expect McGovern to be the one, big, FA signing on the OL. They also went out and got that speedy, shifty, deep threat WR they were looking for in FA. The report at the combine was they were looking at those types of guys. I don't believe it completely takes them out of the market if a guy they REALLY like falls into their laps, but I do think it allows them to allocate draft picks to other positions primarily. 

 

The Bengals are putting themselves up against it cap wise. They have Burrow, Chase, and Higgins that will all require contracts in the next couple of seasons. The loss of either of the WR's will definitely have a ripple effect on the offense. Most likely it will be Higgins as the odd man out. They are seeing a bit of an exodus this year with 4 out of 6 guys who played key roles having already signed elsewhere. I don't expect Eli Apple back either. It's why the draft is so important for each team, not just our own. 

Bengals let Bates and Bell walk, will probably lose Apple. Ok… They upgraded an OL that was already pretty good before injuries hit them last year.  
 

The only issue the Bengals will run into is of their own making … an owner that has cash flow issues.   If they had Pegula, they’d be sitting pretty with what they’ve been doing lately.  
 

We don’t have to pay guys like Matakevich and Neal.  We don’t have to bring back a guy like Poyer.   Let’s say we kept Poyers cap hit low.. say 5M.  That plus Matakevich and Neal (two ST’s guys that give us nothing on defense) is 10M … there’s you Tackle or WR first year cap hit money.  
 

Why tf is Ed Oliver still on this team?  There’s 10M more.  
 

There better be another move coming, because wow… this has been underwhelming so far in relation to what the Chiefs, Bengals, Jets and Dolphins are doing. 

[H2o]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Bengals let Bates and Bell walk, will probably lose Apple. Ok… They upgraded an OL that was already pretty good before injuries hit them last year.  
 

The only issue the Bengals will run into is of their own making … an owner that has cash flow issues.   If they had Pegula, they’d be sitting pretty with what they’ve been doing lately.  
 

We don’t have to pay guys like Matakevich and Neal.  We don’t have to bring back a guy like Poyer.   Let’s say we kept Poyers cap hit low.. say 5M.  That plus Matakevich and Neal (two ST’s guys that give us nothing on defense) is 10M … there’s you Tackle or WR first year cap hit money.  
 

Why tf is Ed Oliver still on this team?  There’s 10M more.  
 

There better be another move coming, because wow… this has been underwhelming so far in relation to what the Chiefs, Bengals, Jets and Dolphins are doing. 

 

Go be a Jets fan, or a Bengals fan, or a Chiefs fan, or a Dolphins fan. We've had people jump ship before. It makes for less misery around here. 

 

I swear. It's March 16th and people around here every time another team makes a move or we don't make a move the armchair GM's want. 

[Warriorspikes51]

I'd have liked this and moved Dawkins to LG or RT

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, H2o said:

 

Go be a Jets fan, or a Bengals fan, or a Chiefs fan, or a Dolphins fan. We've had people jump ship before. It makes for less misery around here. 

 

I swear. It's March 16th and people around here every time another team makes a move or we don't make a move the armchair GM's want. 

I agree with him. I've been a Bills' fan for over fifty years. You gonna tell me to go root for another team, tough guy? Your sarcasm is completely out of place. 

[SCBills]

11 minutes ago, H2o said:

 

Go be a Jets fan, or a Bengals fan, or a Chiefs fan, or a Dolphins fan. We've had people jump ship before. It makes for less misery around here. 

 

I swear. It's March 16th and people around here every time another team makes a move or we don't make a move the armchair GM's want. 

Fans like myself have, for the past few years, talked about us not doing enough on Offense and over-investing on a defense that is a regular season paper tiger. 
 

Bills are a really good team.   I’ve been a fan my whole life, that will never change. 
 

Some of us are just realistic.  We seem to be the ones who have been correct more often than not.   Really good team that hasn’t done what is needed to overtake KC and now CIN when it matters.   Also, a team that has yet to get the 1 seed.  
 

Things are fluid.  One move can change an entire outlook.. so far, it’s been a lot of the same philosophy.  
 

I like the McGovern signing.  I like the Harty signing, if he’s replacing McKenzie.  Everything else .. meh.  I don’t hate Poyer coming back, but if re-signing him and Matakevich prevents us from signing another OL or WR.. yea, don’t love it.  We also have no business paying Ed Oliver 10M this year.   Not when we literally witnessed Allen get hurt for half the season and be under siege quite a bit.  

 

Edited March 16, 2023 by SCBills

[H2o]

8 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Fans like myself have, for the past few years, talked about us not doing enough on Offense and over-investing on a defense that is a regular season paper tiger. 
 

Bills are a really good team.   I’ve been a fan my whole life, that will never change. 
 

Some of us are just realistic.  We seem to be the ones who have been correct more often than not.   Really good team that hasn’t done what is needed to overtake KC and now CIN when it matters.   Also, a team that has yet to get the 1 seed.  
 

Things are fluid.  One move can change an entire outlook.. so far, it’s been a lot of the same philosophy.  
 

I like the McGovern signing.  I like the Harty signing, if he’s replacing McKenzie.  Everything else .. meh.  I don’t hate Poyer coming back, but if re-signing him and Matakevich prevents us from signing another OL or WR.. yea, don’t love it.  We also have no business paying Ed Oliver 10M this year.   Not when we literally witnessed Allen get hurt for half the season and be under siege quite a bit.  

 

I'm realistic as well and have been a fan for over 30 years. I know we have work to do and I'm not lost in blind homerism in any way. There are moves I don't agree with also. But in the end, the endless whining and misery that gets plastered all over the place around here over every move another team makes, or the ones we do or don't make, can be a bit ridiculous. That's what I'm getting at. 

[CorkScrewHill]

9 hours ago, Airseven said:

Well sure, because he signed with the Bengals.
 

If he signed with the Bills, you’d be doing nude cartwheels. 

And if he signed with the Bills you would say he sucked and we overspent. What is your team doing that is so much better?

[MrEpsYtown]

I think fans feel let down because they aren't willing to accept that this team believes in Spencer Brown, Gabe Davis, and Ryan Bates. They believe Dion Dawkins is a left tackle. They signed Harty and McGovern because they believe they upgrade the team, whether we do or not is irrelevant. 

 

People keep talking about holes on the OL, moving Dion, and needing a #2 receiver...the bottom line is that McBeane appears to believe in these guys so they aren't looking for their replacements. So if our analysis doesn't match theirs, well then we will be disappointed. I'm not saying anyone is necessarily right or wrong. Are they going to sign some D linemen half the board has never heard of? Probably. Are they going to use their first pick in the draft on defense? Maybe. It's why they are where they are and I am sitting in front of a Chromebook writing this instead of working. 

 

This doesn't mean that they won't add, but they don't seem to have the same priorities as us, and well, they run the ship. 

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, H2o said:

I'm realistic as well and have been a fan for over 30 years. I know we have work to do and I'm not lost in blind homerism in any way. There are moves I don't agree with also. But in the end, the endless whining and misery that gets plastered all over the place around here over every move another team makes, or the ones we do or don't make, can be a bit ridiculous. That's what I'm getting at. 

I get it. That’s fair.  
 

I applauded the McGovern signing.  
 

I defended the Harty signing (if he’s a McKenzie replacement). 
 

Those two moves were solid. 
 

For me, the crux hinges on Ed Oliver.   I came into the off-season thinking we should let Edmunds and Poyer walk & Trade Oliver.  Frazier is gone, it’s time to re-tool the defense and invest on Offense.  
 

Now Poyer is back (and I don’t hate it but I don’t love it) and Oliver’s 10M cap hit is still hanging over us. 
 

And just so you don’t think I’m being ridiculous … I wanted 2 OL and a WR2 in FA, so we don’t have to hope the draft falls to us.  I want to know Allen has what he needs.  
 

LB’s, Safeties and DT’s will all be there for us at 27 and on Day 2. 

[Meatloaf63]

10 hours ago, JohnNord said:

I’m starting to get concerned with the Bills offensive line when compared to the other two top rivals in the AFC. When it became painfully obvious they needed to upgrade their OL, here’s what they did.  

 

Kansas City - paid big money for Joe Thuney (best guard available) and Orlando Brown and also drafted Creed Humphrey last season.  This season they signed Jawan Taylor who was arguably the best tackle available in free agency.

 

Cincinnati - last season signed one of the top RT’s in FA La’el Collins as well as two FA guards in Karras and Kappa to decent contracts.   This season they went out and signed Brown.  
 

Buffalo - signed Connor McGovern to a decent contract.  Returning 4/5 staters.  
 

I’m very much concerned about the Bills OL

Beane didn’t learn his lesson from last year🤦‍♂️more wear and tear on Allen and playoff failure is the future if he doesn’t come up with something. His priorities are still misaligned…

[H2o]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

I get it. That’s fair.  
 

I applauded the McGovern signing.  
 

I defended the Harty signing (if he’s a McKenzie replacement). 
 

Those two moves were solid. 
 

For me, the crux hinges on Ed Oliver.   I came into the off-season thinking we should let Edmunds and Poyer walk & Trade Oliver.  Frazier is gone, it’s time to re-tool the defense and invest on Offense.  
 

Now Poyer is back (and I don’t hate it but I don’t love it) and Oliver’s 10M cap hit is still hanging over us. 
 

And just so you don’t think I’m being ridiculous … I wanted 2 OL and a WR2 in FA, so we don’t have to hope the draft falls to us.  I want to know Allen has what he needs.  
 

LB’s, Safeties and DT’s will all be there for us at 27 and on Day 2. 

We do have some common ground. I wanted us to sign Seumalo and we signed McGovern. I'm good with that as Saffold (the amazing Pro Bowl G) was a turnstile out there. I would love to upgrade from Brown. Darnell Wright from Tennessee in the 2nd would be perfect if it fell that way, or I could even live with Dawand Jones in the 1st. Depending on that, I would be with drafting John Michael Schmitz in the 2nd or Jarrett Patterson (G and C flexibility) in the 4th. 

 

I wanted Jakobi Meyers to be our #2 and wanted us to draft that speedy/shifty guy to work the Slot. Some people disagreed with me. We didn't sign him. We signed Harty, who has shown flashes, but hasn't really done that much. He's the speedy/shifty Slot guy. The numbers shocked me a bit, but it is what it is.

 

Matakevich? Yeah, not sure why they keep handing this guy checks for running down the field 8-10 times a game.

 

I like Poyer, and I'm ok with him being back, but it's just a band aid and we need a long term answer. It's NOT Hamlin either. But Poyer and Hyde together are as good a tandem as any in the league. Still, Father Time is undefeated. 

 

Oliver is a bit perplexing because sometimes he looks great. Others, he vanishes. Some people say it's due to injuries. Others say it's because he's getting played at the 1-tech. I just know it's maddening. I'm good with trading him, especially in light of his idiotic "show me the money" type tweet. Whether it be for a player that we need or a draft pick/picks, I'm good with that. 

 

We have holes. Other teams are improving in some places, but weakening at others. We're not that bad off really, just need this Staff and FO to get things right this time. Kind of similar to what the Chiefs did in the 2021 offseason. They traded for Brown and hit on 3 KEY selections with Bolton, Humphrey, and Smith. Noah Gray has been solid for them in his role as well. We need an offseason where we draft 3 guys who are GOOD right away and a contributor or two otherwise. 

[Mr. WEO]

the Chiefs make a living winning SBs and then dumping O-linemen.

 

Why are poster wailing over a freaking LT going to the Jets?  With or without Rodgers, he won't matter.

[H2o]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

the Chiefs make a living winning SBs and then dumping O-linemen.

 

Why are poster wailing over a freaking LT going to the Jets?  With or without Rodgers, he won't matter.

Bengals my friend. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, H2o said:

Bengals my friend. 

 

what about them?

[H2o]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

what about them?

The LT people are grumbling about, Orlando Brown, the one whom the thread was started about, went to the Bengals. 

Edited March 16, 2023 by H2o