Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 29, 2023 Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 Just now, ProcessTruster said: White , Milano, Dawkins. Taron J. close behind. Bass, if the offense wasn't so productive. now that was easy. Next question. 2 of those showed up before beane. Taron Johnson isn't an all pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 I’m a little confused by the question. I assumed you meant by the current GM, but then I read that’s not what was meant. Are we talking about players currently on the team? Drafted by Beane? Ever? What’s the question here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Milano? Tre White? Who you got? The reasoning for this will be revealed, I think, over the course of this thread. Truly all-pro caliber? Other than Josh, not a one, not by Beane. He has drafted some nice players though, but no elite ones. If you go to the draft before he came, Milano did have a good year, like to see him keep it up & work on his tackling. Dawkins has always been very overrated, and so was Tre White even pre-injury. No doubt this upcoming draft / off-season is a big one for him if they are to break through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Don’t forget Wyatt teller 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel101 Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 11 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: White , Milano, Dawkins. Taron J. close behind. Bass, if the offense wasn't so productive. now that was easy. Next question. I agree Taron if he stepped up more but he isn’t it either. All so close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 29, 2023 Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Rico said: Truly all-pro caliber? Other than Josh, not a one, not by Beane. He has drafted some nice players though, but no elite ones. If you go to the draft before he came, Milano did have a good year, like to see him keep it up & work on his tackling. Dawkins has always been very overrated, and so was Tre White even pre-injury. No doubt this upcoming draft / off-season is a big one for him if they are to break through. He'd better perform or he needs to hit the bricks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 11 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: 2 of those showed up before beane. Taron Johnson isn't an all pro While, Milano and Dawkins were all drafted before Beane got here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 29, 2023 Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 Just now, vincec said: While, Milano and Dawkins were all drafted before Beane got here. You're right. This thread makes it clear, no? 5 years, no all pro draftees by Beane outside of Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: He'd better perform or he needs to hit the bricks Unless next season is a disaster from the get-go, I will give them another year before I start calling for heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 29, 2023 Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 Just now, Rico said: Unless next season is a disaster from the get-go, I will give them another year before I start calling for heads. That'll be seven years for Beane. Very generous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: You're right. This thread makes it clear, no? 5 years, no all pro draftees by Beane outside of Allen Beane has gotten the big things right: QB, salary cap, primary trades/FA (Diggs, Miller). But the drafting has been average. Can’t have everything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 29, 2023 Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 Just now, vincec said: Beane has gotten the big things right: QB, salary cap, primary trades/FA (Diggs, Miller). But the drafting has been average. Can’t have everything. Salary cap? Have you seen the situation lately 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: That'll be seven years for Beane. Very generous. Seven years with many, many wins. If they only won 7-8 games this year, then maybe yeah. Edited January 29, 2023 by Rico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Tre'Davious White Matt Milano Tyler Bass Taron Johnson(if they allow nickel corners) Dawson Knox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 29, 2023 Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 Just now, Mark Vader said: Tre'Davious White Matt Milano Tyler Bass Taron Johnson(if they allow nickel corners) Dawson Knox I love Knox, but neither he nor TJ are AP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Well factually White and Milano are the two picks of this regime to have been first team all pros. Even Josh has only been a 2nd team all pro (though I think he was robbed in 2020). Knox is the one other with the ability to be in the conversation (though beating out Kelce is always going to be tough) but would require the Bills to actually feature him more. But Beane didn’t pick either one of them. Do we give McD credit for the 2017 draft? . Edited January 29, 2023 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I love Knox, but neither he nor TJ are AP I think they are. Are they the absolute best at their position in the entire league? No. Yet, they are good enough to be considered all-pro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 It’s amazing McDermott could do anything with these losers We like winning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, Einstein said: But Beane didn’t pick either one of them. Do we give McD credit for the 2018 draft? That was the 2017 draft, which yes, I give McDermott credit for. 2018 on are the Beane drafts. But ultimately this regime is very aligned they jointly own it all IMO. 10 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I love Knox, but neither he nor TJ are AP I think Knox could be. He is open a LOT. The Bills need to feature him more. It would need a down year from Kelce too for him to be 1st team all pro but as he ages.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said: White , Milano, Dawkins. Taron J. close behind. Bass, if the offense wasn't so productive. now that was easy. Next question. Taron Johnson and Bass are the only two on your list that Beane drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Isaiah Hodgins, and we got him in the 6th round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Jim Kelly Oh and Bruce Smith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 29, 2023 Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Jim Kelly Oh and Bruce Smith Everybody's a comedian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Where would this team be if Bean hadn't drafted Allen? It's cause of that pick we even have the luxury of this conversation. Cause otherwise it would be the old we are stuck in another 8-8 season! We need to tank! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 29, 2023 Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 13 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Where would this team be if Bean hadn't drafted Allen? It's cause of that pick we even have the luxury of this conversation. Cause otherwise it would be the old we are stuck in another 8-8 season! We need to tank! How many seasons does that buy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: How many seasons does that buy You didn't answer the question. Where would this team be without him? Hard to tell ha? His team did better than 28 of the 32 teams. Time to fire him? There is a narrative that if you dont win the SB you need to go. So how does the number of All pros even play into that? Would you be happy if he drafter more all pros but he didnt make the playoffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent Hulka Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 4 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Kind of the point of the thread. Beane is radically overrated by many, and used to be by me. Allen was a great pick by him. But he's pretty much the only one. Always thought this guy was one of our best scouts: https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/former-bills-chief-scout-norm-pollom-93-dies-in-california/article_9499fbac-8a08-59fc-a463-f8c78fa7ef74.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 nobody I'd settle for the 1st rounder dressing week 1 Seems to be McDermott and Beane often not on same page Elam might be good but why draft a man to man corner when you mostly plat zone? Kind of why draft a 280lb lineman then ask him to shed 50 lbs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Milano, White(until the ACL) and Edmunds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 9 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Kind of the point of the thread. Beane is radically overrated by many, and used to be by me. Allen was a great pick by him. But he's pretty much the only one. Beane helped transform the Bills from a team that didn't go to the playoffs to one that does. Overrated? I don't know. That's a real accomplishment. But he has not built a Super Bowl caliber roster thus far. And with our lack of offseason resources, I doubt his ability to build one in 2023. Beane's been good. But we need him to be better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 AJ Boogie and Rousseau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 9 hours ago, GunnerBill said: But the biggest games is where that top end talent really matters. It is those moments where you need those guys to make plays. I know finding them when you are always at the backend of round 1 is hard. Gay, Bolton, Humphrey out of rounds where we have ended up with Basham and Epenesa is where the difference is at the moment. 2018 and 2019 I think we outdrafted KC. In 2020 and 2021 they outdrafted us. 2022 too early to say. The Chiefs traded away one of their top end difference makers and still made it back to the Super Bowl. They even did it while playing their last game and a half with Mahomes hobbled. They have multiple 6th and 7th round players playing key roles on their team. To me that is a sign of a major coaching discrepancy between us and them. Across the board I don't believe they are really more talented than us. But they keep getting it done when it counts. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Just Milano and White. Sorry no one else. Edmunds too inconsistent and the jury is still out on Oliver, Groot & Elam. I think the jury has reached a decision on Oliver. Guilty of being overdrafted and not worth a big contract Edited January 30, 2023 by Gunsgoodtime 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 7 hours ago, HappyDays said: The Chiefs traded away one of their top end difference makers and still made it back to the Super Bowl. They even did it while playing their last game and a half with Mahomes hobbled. They have multiple 6th and 7th round players playing key roles on their team. To me that is a sign of a major coaching discrepancy between us and them. Across the board I don't believe they are really more talented than us. But they keep getting it done when it counts. I do think they have a coaching advantage. They do. But they also have a top end talent advantage. They traded away Hill, agreed, but they still have Mahomes, Kelce, Jones, Thuney and Humphrey. It is that top end talent that makes the difference in big moments for them. The Bills don't have enough elite guys, I will keep saying it. That wasn't an excuse for the Bills performance last Sunday though, it wasn't elite talent to make 2 or 3 game changing plays that they were missing as I think it has been in other playoff losses. They missed far more than that vs the Bengals, they were terrible, from top to bottom. Offense, defense, special teams, coaching it was all bad. They played their worst game of the season by far in the divisional playoff round. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 17 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Beane didn't draft Milano. You said Bills, not Beane, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 All-Pro caliber: Tre White Matt Milano Josh Allen Pro-Bowl caliber: Tremaine Edmunds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 I don't know but the NY Jets may have 3 from last year's draft alone. McBeane better figure out their talent evaluation or our run at the top of the AFCE will be short lived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 19 hours ago, bobobonators said: I mean drafting Allen, a generational talent, when none of you experts wanted him (Rosen was better right) counts for 5 All pros. The grief this regime is receiving is obnoxious. There are a handful of players drafted that are REALLY good, in addition to Allen. Whoopsidoo - he hit on Allen you make an argument for us “obnoxious” in your own comment!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rm -rf /* Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Clearly, alot of people here who really want to be NFL GM's. Let's evaluate why you have not been able to obtain this position in your lifetime, and then examine why you believe you are better than the people who actually have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 I still think Dawkins can play 4 spots on the OL and could be an All Pro inside. Ed Oliver in the right system. Tremaine Edmunds will likely be voted one at some point as well (Dude isn’t even 25 yet). Big Groot has potential 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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