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[Solomon Grundy]

Has Sean McDermott been spotted at any of these collegiate All Star games?? I seen Mike Tomlin at Senior Bowl practices personally scouting offensive line prospects. I'm having serious questions about the Bills scouting department based on prior drafts

[Special K]

I want the Bills to draft O-line, but I couldn’t pass up the players that were available to me in this mock!

 

1st:  

Michael Mayer TE Notre Dame

 

2nd: 

Jalin Hiatt WR Tennessee 

 

3rd:

Israel Abanikanda RB Pitt

 

Talk about adding weapons for Josh Allen!!

[RyanC883]

It's Friday.  Let's do some mock drafts.  This one is from pro football network's program: 

 

27.

Anton Harrison

OT Oklahoma

(appears to be very athletic, and solid in run and pass blocking) 

 

59.

Cedric Tillman

WR Tennessee

(injured last year, year before put up monster numbers.  Big WR.  Next D. Adams or that guy from Seattle whose name escapes me).  

 

91.

Joe Tippmann

OC Wisconsin

(don't know a ton about him, but gave up 0 sacks his senior year.  Appears capable...my guy Patterson was gone by this point).  

 

 

130.

Ronnie Hickman

S Ohio State

(know nothing about him.  @YoloinOhio might?) 

 

139.

Kendre Miller

RB TCU

(physical RB according to what I've read)  

 

164.

Deshawn Pace

LB Cincinnati

(not a physical back, but good in zone coverage and reading a QB.  Seems like an Edmunds replacement.)  

 

Analysis not all mine.  Too a lot from https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/

[Lofton80]

130.

Ronnie Hickman

S Ohio State

(know nothing about him.  @YoloinOhio might?) 

 

Dean Kendig the draft guy has a nice writeup on Hickman/ 3rd or 4th rounder. 

[Billz4ever]

 

Help for Josh opposite Diggs is a must. I'd like to see a lot of Rice or Boutte opposite Diggs and Shakir in the slot next season.

 

If all the top prospect WRs are gone when we get to #27, I'd rather trade out of the first round and get another pick or two and maybe get one of the higher ranked OT's or perhaps a linebacker with one of these picks assuming Edmunds walks.

 

Torrence is potentially Poyer's replacement and with Damar's future up in the air, we need help at Safety.

 

Wooden is to replace Oliver, who I'd rather seen traded for whatever we can get for him.  His salary vs production is ridiculous.

 

Turner is simply some more help for our Corners since we have questions with Tre and Dane is not the star Romo thinks he is.

 

Would love to see us sign Mostert and have him and Cook in the backfield.

Edited February 3, 2023 by Billz4ever

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

 

Help for Josh opposite Diggs is a must. I'd like to see a lot of Boutte opposite Diggs and Shakir in the slot next season.

 

If all the top prospect WRs are gone when we get to #27, I'd rather trade out of the first round and get another pick or two and maybe get one of the higher ranked OT's or perhaps a linebacker with one of these picks assuming Edmunds walks.

 

Torrence is potentially Poyer's replacement and with Damar's future up in the air, we need help at Safety.

 

Wooden is to replace Oliver, who I'd rather seen traded for whatever we can get for him.  His salary vs production is ridiculous.

 

Turner is simply some more help for our Corners since we have questions with Tre and Dane is not the star Romo thinks he is.

 

Would love to see us sign Mostert and have him and Cook in the backfield.

I don’t think Boutte is going to be a consideration for any team in round 1, but who knows?  He is reportedly highly talented, but he wasn’t really dominant in college.

[Billz4ever]

43 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I don’t think Boutte is going to be a consideration for any team in round 1, but who knows?  He is reportedly highly talented, but he wasn’t really dominant in college.

Seeing him first round in many draft projections.  Him or Rice are my preference there. Outside of those two, all the other top prospects are really slot guys and I highly doubt any of them would drop all the way down to us in the second.

Edited February 3, 2023 by Billz4ever

[OldTimer1960]

31 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Seeing him first round in many draft projections.  Him or Rice are my preference there. Outside of those two, all the other top prospects are really slot guys and I highly doubt any of them would drop all the way down to us in the second.

I think because the WR class is not as good as years past, some are projecting guys like Boutte and Rice into the first.  I just don’t want to see them reach for wr just to get one if there are better players available at other positions, like OT, G, C.

 

Rice and Boutte seem on different paths. Rice seems to have helped his stock with a good year where Boutte was hyped highly going in, but failed to really show he was a first rounder.  Maybe both will go early, if I had to choose one I’d take Rice, but I would lean OL there because I don’t think either Rice or Boutte are real game changers.  Long way to go before the draft and I could change me opinion when I see some game tape of each.

[Billz4ever]

31 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I think because the WR class is not as good as years past, some are projecting guys like Boutte and Rice into the first.  I just don’t want to see them reach for wr just to get one if there are better players available at other positions, like OT, G, C.

 

Rice and Boutte seem on different paths. Rice seems to have helped his stock with a good year where Boutte was hyped highly going in, but failed to really show he was a first rounder.  Maybe both will go early, if I had to choose one I’d take Rice, but I would lean OL there because I don’t think either Rice or Boutte are real game changers.  Long way to go before the draft and I could change me opinion when I see some game tape of each.

I see plenty of good OL outside the first.  There's but only a couple elite O-line this year, so there's plenty of talent to be had in the second and even the third.  

[OldTimer1960]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

I see plenty of good OL outside the first.  There's but only a couple elite O-line this year, so there's plenty of talent to be had in the second and even the third.  

If the talent lines up with our picks, remember the Bills’ 2nd round pick is only a few picks from being top of 3rd round and their 3rd is nearly a 4th rounder.  All things being equal, I’d hope for 2 good OL in this draft.  One more OL isn’t going to fix that group.

 

I agree that WR is a big need.  If they go that way, I’d look at Josh Downs before Boutte.  Rice might be ok.

[Billz4ever]

Just now, OldTimer1960 said:

If the talent lines up with our picks, remember the Bills’ 2nd round pick is only a few picks from being top of 3rd round and their 3rd is nearly a 4th rounder.  All things being equal, I’d hope for 2 good OL in this draft.  One more OL isn’t going to fix that group.

 

I agree that WR is a big need.  If they go that way, I’d look at Josh Downs before Boutte.  Rice might be ok.

Downs is a talent but he's really a slot guy though. Not sure we need that. If none of the top guys are there, I'd rather trade out of the first and get more picks.

[OldTimer1960]

4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Downs is a talent but he's really a slot guy though. Not sure we need that. If none of the top guys are there, I'd rather trade out of the first and get more picks.

Slot is where Boutte played a lot, too.  I agree Downs’ size really limits him to that and Boutte at least has decent size to play out wide, but not sure he did it much.

[BBills_88]

 

Edited February 3, 2023 by BBills_88

[Straight Hucklebuck]

13 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Downs is a talent but he's really a slot guy though. Not sure we need that. If none of the top guys are there, I'd rather trade out of the first and get more picks.

That's where I come down as well. 

 

Slot was a mess last year, with McKenzie not consistent, Shakir playing snaps but never seeing the ball, Beasley having to be called back in at 33 years old. 

 

Verses the need to push Gabe on the outside. 

[Warriorspikes51]

4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

That's where I come down as well. 

 

Slot was a mess last year, with McKenzie not consistent, Shakir playing snaps but never seeing the ball, Beasley having to be called back in at 33 years old. 

 

Verses the need to push Gabe on the outside. 

Gabe has dominated from the slot when used there hasn't he?

Ideally we draft a true outside WR and acquire another via trade or signing 

Diggs excels from everywhere and should be moved around much more.

 

Diggs
Trade/Signing  (Hopkins, Michael Thomas, Mike Evans, Brandin Cooks, OBJ, etc) 
Top 3 Rounds Rookie

Davis

Shakir

Of course, none of that will happen.....

 

Edited February 3, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Gabe has dominated from the slot when used there hasn't he?

Ideally we draft a true outside WR and acquire another via trade or signing 

Diggs excels from everywhere and should be moved around much more.

 

Diggs
Trade/Signing  (Hopkins, Michael Thomas, Mike Evans, Brandin Cooks, OBJ, etc) 
Top 3 Rounds Rookie

Davis

Shakir

 

That would be ideal.  

 

Mike Evans or DeAndre Hopkins (with the money that was supposed to go to Tremaine Edmunds) and double down with a draft pick Smith-Ngijba, Flowers, Downs. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

If the talent lines up with our picks, remember the Bills’ 2nd round pick is only a few picks from being top of 3rd round and their 3rd is nearly a 4th rounder.  All things being equal, I’d hope for 2 good OL in this draft.  One more OL isn’t going to fix that group.

 

I agree that WR is a big need.  If they go that way, I’d look at Josh Downs before Boutte.  Rice might be ok.

I’ve never understood this fixation with draft rounds. It’s actually just a long list of players being taken one after the other. The segregation into rounds is really just terminology. Heck, with so many traded picks it’s not even like each team gets only one per round anymore. You simply take who you believe to be the best guy at a position of need when your turn comes up before someone behind you takes him. 

[CookieG]

27. O'Cyrus Torrence -G Florida. If he's there at 27, he's not only the best guard in the draft, the best IOL in the draft,but most likely the best player in the draft at the bottom of the 1st. He simply stonewalled opponents in the Senior Bowl practice.  People weren't getting around him and certainly weren't knocking him backward.  A big hole just got filled at guard with a day 1 starter.

 

59. Darnell Wright - OT Tenn.  "go big or go home" continues for pick 2. Big, moves well and held up very well at the Senior Bowl.  The only time he was really beaten was by Will McDonald (see below).  He takes over for Brown at RT unless Brown shows marked improvement over last year.

 

91. Will McDonald - Edge Iowa St.  As painful as it using more resources on an under performing pass rushing group, there is no speed rusher outside of Von Miller.  McDonald is the closest to that.  He was very productive at Iowa St. despite being used as a 5 tech half the time. A wicked spin move and still learning the game.  He got a really late start to football.

 

130. Trey Palmer - WR Nebraska.  One year wonder or a breakout year at Nebraska after transferring from LSU?  Take your pick.  He's shown the ability to get up, including deep, at the Senior Bowl.  Had the 2nd fastest top speed there, based on the GPS radar gun thingy at 21.75 mph.

 

139.  Jammie Robinson S FSU.  Liked him before this week, like him ore now.  Loves to make plays no matter where he is on the field.

 

 164. Isaiah Davis RB south Dakota St.  For a bigger back in the stable.  6'0" 220 lbs who ran for more than 1500 yards last year and 15 TDs for the DII national champions.  An arm tackle or a bump won't bring him down.

 

 

 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

On 2/2/2023 at 8:11 AM, OldTimer1960 said:

Henry Riggs didn’t.

There are exceptions
 

When Henry Ruggs came out, did anybody expect him to flop the way that he did?

[Special K]

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

There are exceptions
 

When Henry Ruggs came out, did anybody expect him to flop the way that he did?

 

On 2/2/2023 at 11:11 AM, OldTimer1960 said:

Henry Riggs didn’t.

I guess it's pretty tough to blossom into a high-end number 1 receiver when you are awaiting jail time for Aggravated Vehicular Homicide.

[purple haze]

On 1/27/2023 at 3:16 PM, LABILLBACKER said:

Rice will be gone by pick 35. 

Yep.  That kid is excellent.  Wouldn’t worry about him ever getting the dropsies.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

On 1/28/2023 at 8:11 PM, Billz4ever said:

I really think it needs to be one of the higher prospects.  I don't want to see any reaches.  There's never a guarantee that a draft pick develops into the player you need and what you want to do with him, but there's a greater likelihood that happens with a higher-level prospect and that they can immediately contribute.  With the playing time Shakir got this year, they clearly didn't feel that way.

 

Davis was a 4th round pick and they keep trying to claim he's our legit WR2 and I'm not seeing it.  Get a Rice, Flowers, Downs or Hyatt and get Diggs and Josh some immediate help.

As much as I think we need Wr help this yrs Wr draft class is as weak as I can remember. Maybe just as bad as the 2008 WR class

[jkeerie]

 My mock based on who was available at each pick in the draft.  Thoughts on these selections?

[Victory Formation]

27.

Josh Downs

WR North Carolina

 

59.

Dawand Jones

OT Ohio State

 

91.

DeMarvion Overshown

LB Texas

 

130.

Kendre Miller

RB TCU

 

139.

Daiyan Henley

LB Washington State

 

164.

Daniel Scott

S California

[Not at the table Karlos]

On 2/2/2023 at 10:08 AM, IronMaidenBills said:

Jalin Hyatt is worth the #27 at face value anyways. All SEC WRs that ran sub 4.4 and posted at least one 1,000 yard season went in the first round. Not only did they go in the first round, every single example the WR with similar stats went on or are looking like all pros. 

 

On 2/2/2023 at 11:11 AM, OldTimer1960 said:

Henry Riggs didn’t.

 

On 2/3/2023 at 8:00 PM, John from Riverside said:

There are exceptions
 

When Henry Ruggs came out, did anybody expect him to flop the way that he did?

Ruggs never had a 1000 yard season in college. 

 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/henry-ruggs-iii-1.html

Edited February 5, 2023 by Not at the table Karlos
Link

[Bill from NYC]

12 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

 

Ruggs never had a 1000 yard season in college. 

 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/henry-ruggs-iii-1.html

The above is a correct and astute observation, but further explanation is in order.  

 

Ruggs was a very good wr at Alabama but the truth is, he was never the best receiver on that team. In fact, I'm not sure that he was ever the 2nd best. He played with fellow receivers such as Davonta Smith, Jalen Waddle, and a host of others. I saw a video of Ruggs racing Waddle. It was close but Ruggs beat him by a step.

Those teams also had great offensive lines and a head coach who deep down would rather run the ball with a team full of very good running backs who could also catch.

In other words, there was SO much talent that really all of their chances were spread out thus limited just a bit.

 

Ruggs and Jameson Williams were the two fastest players that I ever saw at Alabama. I really can't say which one was faster but again, I saw quite a few better receivers than Ruggs. What I will say is that if he had a QB like Josh Allen, Ruggs could have caught 70 yard bombs. I never saw him caught from behind, ever.

 

His off field incident was obviously beyond horrible. 😟

 

 

 

 

[LyndonvilleBill]

Still think we need to trade down from 27 a few spots if we can. But without trades and some thoughts on FA, not too bad. 

 

[OldTimer1960]

On 2/3/2023 at 11:51 PM, Special K said:

 

I guess it's pretty tough to blossom into a high-end number 1 receiver when you are awaiting jail time for Aggravated Vehicular Homicide.

That is part of what you evaluate when assessing players.  Now, i admit I haven’t seen anything suggesting that Hyatt has off-field issues.

[CookieG]

27. Broderick Jones T - Georgia.  He was there, he was taken.  He might lack experience and has some things to clean up but he'll figure it out.  Outstanding prospect.

 

59. Jack Campbell- LB Iowa.  Won just about every award possible.  Won just about every award possible this year.  Butkus, Nagurski, Unanimous, Consensus All America. More than just a run stopper, decent enough in coverage.  Opposing QB rating when targeted of around 70 this year.  Unless he bombs at the Combine, which is unlikely, he's a fit.  He might not have the top end speed of Edmunds, but he will be in the right place in run and pass defense.  Edmunds re-signing money, if any, is better spent elsewhere.

 

91. RIcky Stromberg- C Arkansas.  Steady, well rounded and extremely well coached.  Had a good Shrine Bowl Week, won the SEC's Jacobs Blocking Award in2022. DIdn't give up at sack this year, with only 7 pressures.

 

130 Jammie Robinson - S FLorida State.  He keeps coming up around this position in the draft.  Hits, covers, tackles, makes plays.

 

139. Jayden Reed - WR Michigan St.  voted best practice player among WR's in the Senior Bowl, as voted by the DBs.  Production fell off this year with injuries and ...Michigan State's offense, after a 1000 yard year in 2021.  He looked healthy during Senior Bowl week and was regularly beating DBs.  Fast and good cutting ability.

 

205 Karl Brooks -DT Bowling Green.  He put up incredible numbers at Bowling Green, including 20 sacks and an incredible 96 pressures in the past 2 years.  Had a very good Senior Bowl week, he was probably beating his man off the ball more than any interior DL. 

 

**potential UDFA.  Caleb Murphy -Edge, Ferris State.  Yeah, he'll be drafted...but what the hell.  25 sacks last year, 40 in the past 2 years.  an incredible 39 TFLs in one year alone.  First time DII winner of the Ted Hendricks award.

 

 

[Billz4ever]

5 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Still think we need to trade down from 27 a few spots if we can. But without trades and some thoughts on FA, not too bad. 

 

The latest mock on ESPN+ has us taking Mauch in the first round, which I see as a stretch.  I think we can get quality OL in the second, third, and even fourth.  I don't think the higher prospect WRs will still be on the board when we pick in the second, so if we want one, they will have to do it in the first.  Either that or try to trade out of the first to pick earlier in the second and get an additional pick in the process.

[Lofton80]

On 2/4/2023 at 1:56 PM, jkeerie said:

 My mock based on who was available at each pick in the draft.  Thoughts on these selections?

Flowers is highly thought of, some good wheels and catches everything. Schmitz probably goes higher than 57 after Senior Bowl. Robinson is very good. 

[H2o]

[jkeerie]

1 hour ago, Lofton80 said:

Flowers is highly thought of, some good wheels and catches everything. Schmitz probably goes higher than 57 after Senior Bowl. Robinson is very good. 

I would love it if the draft fell this way, but like you, I don't believe it's realistic.

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, CookieG said:

27. Broderick Jones T - Georgia.  He was there, he was taken.  He might lack experience and has some things to clean up but he'll figure it out.  Outstanding prospect.

 

59. Jack Campbell- LB Iowa.  Won just about every award possible.  Won just about every award possible this year.  Butkus, Nagurski, Unanimous, Consensus All America. More than just a run stopper, decent enough in coverage.  Opposing QB rating when targeted of around 70 this year.  Unless he bombs at the Combine, which is unlikely, he's a fit.  He might not have the top end speed of Edmunds, but he will be in the right place in run and pass defense.  Edmunds re-signing money, if any, is better spent elsewhere.

 

91. RIcky Stromberg- C Arkansas.  Steady, well rounded and extremely well coached.  Had a good Shrine Bowl Week, won the SEC's Jacobs Blocking Award in2022. DIdn't give up at sack this year, with only 7 pressures.

 

130 Jammie Robinson - S FLorida State.  He keeps coming up around this position in the draft.  Hits, covers, tackles, makes plays.

 

139. Jayden Reed - WR Michigan St.  voted best practice player among WR's in the Senior Bowl, as voted by the DBs.  Production fell off this year with injuries and ...Michigan State's offense, after a 1000 yard year in 2021.  He looked healthy during Senior Bowl week and was regularly beating DBs.  Fast and good cutting ability.

 

205 Karl Brooks -DT Bowling Green.  He put up incredible numbers at Bowling Green, including 20 sacks and an incredible 96 pressures in the past 2 years.  Had a very good Senior Bowl week, he was probably beating his man off the ball more than any interior DL. 

 

**potential UDFA.  Caleb Murphy -Edge, Ferris State.  Yeah, he'll be drafted...but what the hell.  25 sacks last year, 40 in the past 2 years.  an incredible 39 TFLs in one year alone.  First time DII winner of the Ted Hendricks award.

 

 

You think Jones is available at 27? 

[CookieG]

6 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

You think Jones is available at 27? 

Possibly, but its Feb, there are still a ton of things that can happen between now and April.

 

He was there on the sim...so I took him. There are probably a number of people in my mock who won't be there when I chose them. Brooks at 205 for instance.

 

The PFN staff doesn't create team's big boards.

[LyndonvilleBill]

Using others thoughts.

 

Drafted Harrison and moving Dawkins to LG.

 

Campbell to replace Edmunds.

 

Tippmann to either replace Morse or put at RG and move Bates to Center.

 

Johnson to replace Singletary. Bigger, Stronger and Faster.

 

Jarrett as a WR#2. I just really LIKE this kid. Other than the size of his hands, I picture a Diggs jr.😉

 

Bernard-Converse (CB/S) to replace Poyer (sorry) he takes one DB spot and Benford takes the other.

 

Use the money saved from Morse to re-sign Boetteger, maybe another slot wr and depth OLine piece. 

 

 

[PS 56]

On 1/27/2023 at 1:32 PM, FireChans said:

Mayer won’t last til 27. Also, not interested in another highly paid TE to not throw to.

 

Fine.

 

Another 3rd round RB will make my head explode. 
 

Fine.

 

Fine.

 

fine.

 

Overall, would absolutely HATE this draft. 

I'm with you all the way on the running back...

[quincy]

I am liking Darnell Wright at RT.

 

Dawkins-Bates-Morse-FA/DraftPick-Wright

[gobills404]

On 2/9/2023 at 4:07 PM, newcam2012 said:

You think Jones is available at 27? 

There’s definitely some rumors he’s gonna go later than most people expect. He’s undersized and not nearly as experienced or polished as someone like Rashawn Slater.

[RyanC883]

here is what I got today: 

 

27.

Bijan Robinson

RB Texas

(do I want a RB in the 1st round.  No.  But this guy is a top 10 talent, and will make the offense better, assuming Daboll commits to a running game.  A day 1 weapon for Allen, and the only day 1 weapon available when I drafted).  

 

59.

Darnell Wright

OT Tennessee

(OT who allowed no sacks last year)

 

91.

DeMarvion Overshown

LB Texas

(big 6-4 rangy LB.  Edmunds replacement) 

 

130.

Trey Palmer

WR Nebraska

(fast, big WR.  route-tree may be somewhat limited, but that should be fixable) 

 

 

139.

Jaquelin Roy

DT LSU

(Oliver replacement.  Strong and can hold-up blockers and clog the middle) 

 

205.

Nathaniel Dell

WR Houston

(small, fast WR.  Future Beasley replacement if he can develop a route tree.  For now, may be a KR or a threat to take the top off).  

 

Edited February 14, 2023 by RyanC883