Who do you want fired Poll

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, Nihilarian said:

Building a super bowl team doesn't usually happen over night especially when the team has been in mediocrity for 20 years.

 

Never bad enough to get a top 5 pick and when they trade up for one... they choose a paper WR who looks at the field and gets an injury. 

The list of guys who were drafted that year in the first round... good lord 17 first round picks ended up being better picks. Remember that crappy GM?

 

Brandon Beane has been a godsend for Buffalo and so has McD. The guy who went to the  playoffs with Tyrod Taylor at QB.

 

I'm not happy either...I just realize that replacing Beane and McD would be a whole lot more difficult than just wishing it.  How many teams went 14-4 this season? There would be about a 2 second delay in firing one of those two guys and them being instantly rehired. As for the HC either Denver, Carolina, Houston, Arizona, Indy.

 

 

I personally am not at the point of firing Gm and HC yet. BUT. what scares the living HECK out of me the most? failing another year of draft picks. 

[Jerome007]

27 minutes ago, Manther said:

Regarding Dorsey, I don't think he will get fired after one year.  However, I thought his play calling was awful all year.  The first couple weeks of the Season he was ok.

Can someone point out one game his schemes were a main factor in a win? In the first weeks, maybe. 

 

Daboll was strangely stubborn in not having more run plays (and sweeps), but he was creative, could direct Josh's energy. Put some wrinkles here and there.

 

I was all for giving Dorsey a chance, and for being somehow patient as it's his first year, but his offensive plays have been so vanilla, what would it be without Josh? And how can a cold weather team be outsmarted when it comes to a slippery field? 2 of their 3 first plays were side to side instead of north-south!

 

The Bengals schemes got their receivers open many times yesterday, and often had WRs matched with the Bills LBs. Just looking at other teams, they have 3-5 plays a game that the schemes deliver a 1st down. Dorsey got more vanilla as the season went! Sorry, but I don't see improvements coming. 

Edited January 23, 2023 by Jerome007

[Just in Atlanta]

I'd add these random guys to the chopping block, as we're hungry for heads right now: 

• Dennis Lock, Sr. Director Football Research. Where were the analytics for this game?
• Mark Carrier, Director Player Engagement. Players were unengaged all game. 
• Nick Lacy, Strength + Conditioning Assistant. Outmuscled all game. 

Oh, that and Tony Romo. Used to be my fave. Now I have to mute him. Tony: You don't have to fill every second of space with jibber-jabber, man. 

[ArtVandalay]

21 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 
Sorry, sarcasm detector is turned off this morning.  
 

yes, I think he deserves another year.  If he’s fired, so be it.  Let’s hope we don’t screw it up. I’m just not a huge fan of the candidates. Payton makes sense….but we’ll have to give up a 1st rd pick and likely pay him 20M a year.  

Who cares what we pay Payton, Terry cuts the check it doesn't impact salary cap or the team in any manner what so ever. 

 

The first round pick is an investment. But spending that pick on him will have a much bigger impact than whatever guy Beane selects.

[PrimeTime101]

2 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Who cares what we pay Payton, Terry cuts the check it doesn't impact salary cap or the team in any manner what so ever. 

 

The first round pick is an investment. But spending that pick on him will have a much bigger impact than whatever guy Beane selects.

It is so close to being worth it though.... so close... 

[f0neguy]

Dorcey’s play calling seemed clunky at times but overall the numbers were a bit better than we saw with Dabol.  On the occasions where McDermott took over the defensive calls,  the team appeared to be more aggressive, so I don’t think it’s schematic.   I just think Frazier is too conservative.  I believe the team is hoping he gets a HC shot because they don’t want to fire him.  Maybe he retires?

[PrimeTime101]

2 minutes ago, f0neguy said:

Dorcey’s play calling seemed clunky at times but overall the numbers were a bit better than we saw with Dabol.  On the occasions where McDermott took over the defensive calls,  the team appeared to be more aggressive, so I don’t think it’s schematic.   I just think Frazier is too conservative.  I believe the team is hoping he gets a HC shot because they don’t want to fire him.  Maybe he retires?

yea but he never did the bolded this year. Are the numbers better because of the OC or JA progression? or none of the above? I would argue JA numbers are about the same as last year?

[RocCityRoller]

I voted OC/DC. After last year's playoff loss I asked the following question: 'Is the failure a lack of talent or is it coaching that is failing the talent that is brought in?'

 

If you believe Beane is a great GM, then a change of DC is especially needed.  6 premium picks (Edmunds/ Oliver/ Rousseau/ Epenessa/ Basham/ Elam) on defense that comes up small in the playoffs and at least a few times a year. Premium picks make game changing/ impact plays. Is the issue that these guys are not as talented as where they were drafted, or is coaching not getting the most out of them? Even then the biggest FA splashes have been on defense too. What was the Von Miller type splash on offense?

 

On offense 4 premium picks (Allen/ Diggs via trade/ Ford/ Cook) - so Ford was a bust, it happens, but you don't get gun shy and stop drafting OL.

 

Something is clearly not working. How does a defensive minded HC and a the most veteran assistant (Frazier) not get more from so much capital expended on defense?

 

I would like to see what a Vic Fangio could get out of this defensive roster, even with the expected and unexpected departures. White/ Hyde/ Milano/ Oliver (5th year)/ Rousseau/ Basham/ Elam and Von Miller are all still here next year representing a lot of capital.

 

OC is a bit of a sticky situation too. Not nearly as much capital expended there, and Dorsey was in year 1, but in this window does the team have time to develop an OC? Reich is out there. He did wonders with Wentz and Foles and clearly has Buffalo connections. He is also veteran enough with enough player cache to get Allen's attention and respect and a strong enough credibility to state a counter opposing point to the staff.

 

If Fangio and Reich can not get more out of the talent, then the talent may be lacking and that would point to the GM. I think the rational move is to see what other experienced coordinators can get with Beane's roster.

Edited January 23, 2023 by RocCityRoller

[PrimeTime101]

29 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

Can someone point out one game his schemes were a main factor in a win? In the first weeks, maybe. 

 

Daboll was strangely stubborn in not having more run plays (and sweeps), but he was creative, could direct Josh's energy. Put some wrinkles here and there.

 

I was all for giving Dorsey a chance, and for being somehow patient as it's his first year, but his offensive plays have been so vanilla, what would it be without Josh? And how can a cold weather team be outsmarted when it comes to a slippery field? 2 of their 3 first plays were side to side instead of north-south!

 

The Bengals schemes got their receivers open many times yesterday, and often had WRs matched with the Bills LBs. Just looking at other teams, they have 3-5 plays a game that the schemes deliver a 1st down. Dorsey got more vanilla as the season went! Sorry, but I don't see improvements coming. 

well said. I think in hindsight, Dorsey was a mistake.

[H2o]

I want Leslei Frazier gone above all else. If they fire Dorsey? So be it. I do remember though how much beef we all had with Daboll his first couple of years, and even through last year a bit with some of the play calls and how much he ran Allen. All of these people acting like they believed he was the best coach on the staff? Yeah, 90% of you are lying through your teeth. 

[Nihilarian]

24 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Who cares what we pay Payton, Terry cuts the check it doesn't impact salary cap or the team in any manner what so ever. 

 

The first round pick is an investment. But spending that pick on him will have a much bigger impact than whatever guy Beane selects.

What is with Bills fans today?

 

Sean Payton was the HC of the NO Saints for 15 seasons. Won ONE SB in all that time with future HoF QB Drew Brees at QB.  Out of the 15 seasons went to the playoffs 9 times and lost Conf, WC, Div, Div, Div, Conf, WC, Div.  He had 5 losing season in that time too.

 

I don't see a great savior! No way is he worth a #1 pick and 20 mill per. Not to this team as they already have a better HC. 

[BarleyNY]

I think firing Dorsey and Frazier is a possibility this off-season, but this feels like it is heading toward a house cleaning. It won’t happen this off-season, but seats are going to start to get very warm. 

[Brandon]

I've seen enough of Frazier's defenses at this point,  although I know it won't really change anything.  It's also McDermott's defense.  Speaking of which,  I like McDermott,  but at some point,  making the playoffs isn't enough.  We're not quite there yet,  but this can't continue much longer,  and admittedly,  I think it's preferable to have a HC who specializes on offense. 

 

As for Dorsey,  I expected he'd struggle at times as a first year OC.  He needs to show improvement next year and his offense needs to have something resembling an identity,  but for now, I think I'd give him another chance. 

[Nihilarian]

49 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

Which validates what I posted.  What are you talking about?

Nothing you said validates anything! Are you really a Bills fan?  

 

Brandon Beane is considered one of the very best GM's in the league! Actually, best of the best.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-gm-brandon-beane-rank-best

 

Von Miller, 7 of the 8 draft picks this season played at some point. Gabe Davis was a 4th, Bass was a 6th and so on. The team is loaded with talent.

Coaching matters! Buffalo was outcoached on both sides of the ball. One guy is a rookie.

 

Speaking of trash...

[DCOrange]

I’m not really banging the table to fire either coordinator and definitely not McDermott, but I wouldn’t complain if the coordinators were gone. Think there’s a lot worse coordinators out there though and that our issues are more talent related than coaching related. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, djp14150 said:

When is the March to OBD?

February 19.  Next new moon.  January's was the 21st.

[ArtVandalay]

Just now, Nihilarian said:

What is with Bills fans today?

 

Sean Payton was the HC of the NO Saints for 15 seasons. Won ONE SB in all that time with future HoF QB Drew Brees at QB.  Out of the 15 seasons went to the playoffs 9 times and lost Conf, WC, Div, Div, Div, Conf, WC, Div.  He had 5 losing season in that time too.

 

I don't see a great savior! No way is he worth a #1 pick and 20 mill per. Not to this team as they already have a better HC. 

What was Brees before Payton, solid QB that when he was a few agent only 2 teams bothered to give him an offer both with limited money. 

 

Before Payton Brees had thrown 3500 yards only once in his career, never 30 TD. Career best year was 3576 yd, 24 td, 15 int... never supported a WR for a 1000 yard season before Payton, only one time in his car before Payton he get any guy 1k, which was Gates 1k in 2005 for one year. Once Payton got his hands on him he was throwing 4-5k yards and 30-40 TD seasons at will. Career 84.9 qb rating before Payton, career 101.5 with him. 

 

Brees as great as the production was, was a limited QB that Payton successfully game planned for and designed an offense for. Brees limitations routinely raised their ugly head late in the year in outdoor games where he didn't have the arm strength to execute outside the dome.

[Gunsgoodtime]

2 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Nothing you said validates anything! Are you really a Bills fan?  

 

Brandon Beane is considered one of the very best GM's in the league! Actually, best of the best.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-gm-brandon-beane-rank-best

 

Von Miller, 7 of the 8 draft picks this season played at some point. Gabe Davis was a 4th, Bass was a 6th and so on. The team is loaded with talent.

Coaching matters! Buffalo was outcoached on both sides of the ball. One guy is a rookie.

 

Speaking of trash...

Drink that Kool aid bro!!!!  Guzzle guzzle guzzle!

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, Nihilarian said:

Nothing you said validates anything! Are you really a Bills fan?  

 

Brandon Beane is considered one of the very best GM's in the league! Actually, best of the best.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-gm-brandon-beane-rank-best

 

Von Miller, 7 of the 8 draft picks this season played at some point. Gabe Davis was a 4th, Bass was a 6th and so on. The team is loaded with talent.

Coaching matters! Buffalo was outcoached on both sides of the ball. One guy is a rookie.

 

Speaking of trash...

drafting good and setting up a team for success are 2 different things.

 

[RG Murdock]

They finished 13-3!! When in major sports history of ANY sport did a team get rid of ALL of their coaches with that winning percentage??!!!  The word imbeciles comes to mind. They had a ton of injuries, snowstorms, Detroit, Damar, Topps. They ran out of emotional gas. Who can blame them?? Coaches are people too! Right? They will retool no doubt. They'll get Diggs some help, sign/draft a stout RB, draft some 0-Lineman. They'll be back in the SB hunt next year. No one in the Media is going to anoint the Bills as SB favorites for 2023. Most won't even pick them to win the East. Some will pick them for 3rd if the Jets get a decent QB!! I love our chances next year.... They'll no doubt be underdogs. Now, if they fail next year?..... Then you make serious changes. This staff deserves another year. Besides, any new coaches added, would then get a mulligan if the Bills roll over again..       

[Bill from NYC]

Head Coach and DC.

[NewEra]

46 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Who cares what we pay Payton, Terry cuts the check it doesn't impact salary cap or the team in any manner what so ever. 

 

The first round pick is an investment. But spending that pick on him will have a much bigger impact than whatever guy Beane selects.

I hear ya.  We aren’t cutting the check but the check is an obstacle. As is the draft pick.  As is their love for McDermott.  As is Beanes love for McDermott.  
 

I’m just speaking the reality of the situation.   If we make it happen, I’m all for it. I just don’t think it has much of a chance (if any) of happening.  I think he’ll end up in Denver making 25M a year 

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I hear ya.  We aren’t cutting the check but the check is an obstacle. As is the draft pick.  As is their love for McDermott.  As is Beanes love for McDermott.  
 

I’m just speaking the reality of the situation.   If we make it happen, I’m all for it. I just don’t think it has much of a chance (if any) of happening.  I think he’ll end up in Denver making 25M a year 

was with you till you said denver

[billsfan89]

I don’t want to be overly reactive but some adjustments need to be made. Even if the coaching staff comes back the team needs to tilt its resources away from defense and back into the offense. Spend the first four picks of the draft on offense spend some money to add starters to the offensive side of the ball. McD tried to have an all time defensive team with an offense carried by a QB and it didn’t work for various reasons some out of their control others within their control. You need to adapt the team building.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said:

was with you till you said denver

Where do you think he’ll end up?

 

They have more money than anyone and they are desperate.  I think they’ll match anyone offer + 5M.  Thats my thought process. 

[Nextmanup]

I think a fairly large portion of the fanbase wants to retain McDermott, simply because the Bills have been a horrible franchise for most of their existence and McDermott is way better than almost all coaches we've ever had.

 

That's not the right mindset for evaluation here.

 

The benchmark is not how he compares to past Bills coaches; the benchmark is how does he compare to the best coaches in the game today.

 

 

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, NewEra said:

Where do you think he’ll end up?

 

They have more money than anyone and they are desperate.  I think they’ll match anyone offer + 5M.  Thats my thought process. 

I think THIS year it is not going to be just about the money

[LabattBlue]

I’d love to hear from the 21 peope who voted for no changes. 😂

[nedboy7]

3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I think a fairly large portion of the fanbase wants to retain McDermott, simply because the Bills have been a horrible franchise for most of their existence and McDermott is way better than almost all coaches we've ever had.

 

That's not the right mindset for evaluation here.

 

The benchmark is not how he compares to past Bills coaches; the benchmark is how does he compare to the best coaches in the game today.

 

 

 

Way better than almost all the coaches we had, BUT the next one will be better!!?  No guarantee. 

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, LabattBlue said:

I’d love to hear from the 21 peope who voted for no changes. 😂

there is a thread on not making any changes in coaching. they are there. That is the place to argue your points on that.

[Repulsif]

2 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

I’d love to hear from the 21 peope who voted for no changes. 😂

 

could be robots profiles parsing the forum for google references links

[RocCityRoller]

3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I think a fairly large portion of the fanbase wants to retain McDermott, simply because the Bills have been a horrible franchise for most of their existence and McDermott is way better than almost all coaches we've ever had.

 

That's not the right mindset for evaluation here.

 

The benchmark is not how he compares to past Bills coaches; the benchmark is how does he compare to the best coaches in the game today.

 

Understand your POV. I personally think the GM did a botch job in Allen's 5 year window.

 

That said, I would like to see what a vet OC and DC with different approaches could do with the roster. Most of the key starters will be here (there will be some losses).

 

If a new OC and DC can't get more out of the roster, then it may be time to look at GM and HC.

[Wraith]

 

Interesting...

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, Wraith said:

 

Interesting...

You have to give the dude time to digest for christ sakes. Last thing anyone wants is a knee jerk reaction out of our HC.

[nedboy7]

5 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

I’d love to hear from the 21 peope who voted for no changes. 😂

 

The people that are more reasonable than the ones calling for the GM thru Kicker to be released cause they can't handle booboo emotions?  🤣

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I think THIS year it is not going to be just about the money

So you think he’ll wait til next year?  Or would rather take a different team?  What other teams do you think he’ll be interested in?

Carolina is the only team (with a current vacancy) that makes any sense to me and their biggest draw is that they play is a crap

division.  
 

if I were him, I think I’d wait it out -  unless Buffalo or Dallas comes a knocking.  

 

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

So you think he’ll wait til next year?  Or would rather take a different team?  What other teams do you think he’ll be interested in?

Carolina is the only team (with a current vacancy) that makes any sense to me and their biggest draw is that they play is a crap

division.  
 

if I were him, I think I’d wait it out -  unless Buffalo or Dallas comes a knocking.  

 

I think he is going to wait it out. 

[BucketList]

Do not offer a new contract to Frazier. He doesn’t show much emotion and neither does his defense lately.

 

I would say Josh Allen should make the call with respect to Dorsey. 

[Rocbillsfan1]

I voted for getting rid of the whole org but I know that will never happen. That said I'm in the camp of getting an offensive minded head coach and there's some out there including our own Frank Reich. There's also Eric Bieniemy, Shane Steichen, Sean Payton, Brian Callahan etc. 

 

I think the Dorsey hate is a bit extreme. If we are keeping Mcdermott there is no point in running off Dorsey, for what? To hire another OC who may just leave again after 1 or 2 years? There are legit criticisms of Dorsey but the problem is he and Josh both seem to be in love with throwing the ball downfield and for that system to work you need a better OL and 1 or 2 more WRS. The Bills don't have the personal to do what he currently wants. I don't know if Dorsey will budge on his system or if the org will go out and do what needs to be done to better help him.

 

If anyone is going to get fired it will be Frazier this year and be the fall guy but I don't think Sean has it in him to do that either so I think odds are no one gets fired.

 

If this is the case I give Sean 1 more year with everyone back and it is Superbowl or bust. If Beane won't fire them all after the season then I give him his walking papers. At the end of the day I don't have a strong feeling that Beane is more devoted to the organization then he is to his buddy.

 

 

[Shortchaz]

I don’t want anyone fired, just gone with max return.