How many chances will McDermott get?

[Gunsgoodtime]

5 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

I want Peyton. We need an offensive minded coach. 

If they can't change their mentality and draft/fa resources, this is exactly what needs to happen for us to improve. 

[That's No Moon]

3 hours ago, ImpactCorey said:

To be fair.  He did also make the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor and Kelvin Benjamin.

After he intentionally played Nathan Peterman. Intentionally.

[Billsfan1972]

12 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Sean McDermott will be here until he decides he doesn’t want to be. Y’all forget this franchise was a walking doormat for 20 years. 

Without a QB.  The last 3 years is more Allen then McD.

 

The walking doormat was usually 7-9 to 9-7 with no QBs.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

Just like letting the QB choose the offensive coordinator 

 

 

Sure. NOW it's obvious. I don't recall anyone raising an objection at the time.

 

Edited January 23, 2023 by PromoTheRobot

[Awwufelloff]

 

 

[BernieBill]

He should be fired right now along with both coordinators.  When you're the consensus Super bowl favorite and you get dominated on your home field in the 2nd round, you get fired.  What is the reason to keep the guy around?  He blew the 13 seconds game last year (I would have fired him then) and he comes back this year and doesn't get the #1 seed and doesn't make the Super Bowl.  Good bye.

[TuelTime]

35 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Without a QB.  The last 3 years is more Allen then McD.

 

The walking doormat was usually 7-9 to 9-7 with no QBs.

Don't forget the absence of Tom Brady in division most likely helped end the doormat era more than praising Jeebus in the locker room.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

The league is going entirely Offensive minded Head coaches.

 

Its an offensive league.

 

The biggest problem with McD is that he doesn't understand offense and that was covered up when Daboll was here.  McD didn't need to understand offense.

But when Daboll left, there was no one to give oversight to Dorsey, a junior level OC.

 

McD should at least be able to look at Dorsey's playbook and understand exactly what's going on.

 

Look that the oversight Reid or Zac Taylor can give to their OC's or even change up the playbook or introduce new plays.

 

I like McD.  But the writing's on the wall.  With McD we can beat teams in our division, but we'll never be able to beat the elite teams of the AFC or NFC.

 

In fact, we used to be the number 2 team in the AFC and now have fallen back to number 3 behind the bengals.

 

So what do we do ? Change it up or stick with the same results again ?

 

McD has hit his ceiling

Edited January 23, 2023 by JakeFrommStateFarm

[billsfan3482]

I feel we need to move on. WHO trusts or believes things will be different next year if we keep him.  I don't!  If the staff stays I don't care how many moves we make or who we draft. The results will be the same. Cincy, KC and SF fans have to be ecstatic to have great talented players with competent coaches. We got Allen, Diggs and a coach who loves character players only. And i'm sick of hearing they drafted so and so because he's a "character guy".

[Billsfan1972]

Don't forget "The Process"

[Buffalo_Stampede]

McDermott timer doesn’t even begin until he misses the playoffs. 

Edited January 23, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[JohnNord]

7 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

 

 

[Gunsgoodtime]

1 hour ago, BernieBill said:

He should be fired right now along with both coordinators.  When you're the consensus Super bowl favorite and you get dominated on your home field in the 2nd round, you get fired.  What is the reason to keep the guy around?  He blew the 13 seconds game last year (I would have fired him then) and he comes back this year and doesn't get the #1 seed and doesn't make the Super Bowl.  Good bye.

I like to phrase it in a simple way that makes you really think about it.   How many years of having Josh Allen as your qb and  Not make the Superbowl does one get?  Seriously?  Imo with their defensive mindset, they have peaked, at their ceiling now.  Only way to get better is to move on and find someone that knows what an offense is.  Without Josh Allen Beane and McDermott would have probably been fired last year as we woukd be the worst team in the division 

Edited January 23, 2023 by Gunsgoodtime

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

I still have faith in McD if he can get some top notch coordinators in here, but he seems too stubborn to do that. If nothing changes and the Bills don’t make the Super Bowl in 2 years then I think he’s gone by year 3. 

[All I Need is Hope]

I worry about Beane's ability to build a roster.  Oline was middle of the pack to below average.  Saffold, Brown were disappointing and I'm starting to think we overpaid for Bates.

 

Burrow, Hurts, Purdy have an amazing group of skill players, we have Diggs and a bunch of JAGs (or not used properly).

 

Invested heavily in Dline (Oliver, Rousseau, Basham, Epenesa, Miller)... Rousseau might turn into a playmaker and hopefully Von returns to form.  However, not close to good ROI on this.

[Billsfan1972]

4 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

I like to phrase it in a simple way that makes you really think about it.   How many years of having Josh Allen as your qb and  Not make the Superbowl does one get?  Seriously?  Imo with their defensive mindset, they have peaked, at their ceiling now.  Only way to get better is to move on and find someone that knows what an offense is.  Without Josh Allen Beane and McDermott would have probably been fired last year as we woukd be the worst team in the division 

And the Bills have a defensive minded coach and you got to think the defense has peaked. The offense that's solely on Josh Allen.  Is there any indication that we can give McDermott any credit for the offensive performance of this team? If that's the best you can do on defense it doesn't bode well.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

Look at what san fran is able to do with Purdy. Imagine that team with Allen. Coaching and schemes is just as important as the QB running them. 

That team couldn’t have what they have and Allen. Not enough cap

[Gunsgoodtime]

1 minute ago, All I Need is Hope said:

I worry about Beane's ability to build a roster.  Oline was middle of the pack to below average.  Saffold, Brown were disappointing and I'm starting to think we overpaid for Bates.

 

Burrow, Hurts, Purdy have an amazing group of skill players, we have Diggs and a bunch of JAGs (or not used properly).

 

Invested heavily in Dline (Oliver, Rousseau, Basham, Epenesa, Miller)... Rousseau might turn into a playmaker and hopefully Von returns to form.  However, not close to good ROI on this.

It is a massive concern if you look at the last few years drafts.  I just don't see what they see in this so called Championship defense that they seem so obsessed with.  On top of that, he has not been good at drafting to create thus so called defense.  He has hit on 1 pick, and the only reason he still has a job here, Josh Allen

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And the Bills have a defensive minded coach and you got to think the defense has peaked. The offense that's solely on Josh Allen.  Is there any indication that we can give McDermott any credit for the offensive performance of this team? If that's the best you can do on defense it doesn't bode well.

4 1st and 3 2nds on the Dline.  Where are they?  That in itself is almost a fireable offense

[All I Need is Hope]

Agree, without Allen, this leadership group is gone.  This sucks, big time, because I'm not sure they have the ability or resources to get us over the hump.

 

[UKBillFan]

My concern with McDermott is, since he's become HC, the Bills have had at least one blow out each season.

 

2017: vs Saints (10-47); at Chargers (24-54); vs Patriots (3-23); at Patriots (16-37)

2018: at Ravens (3-47); at Packers (0-22); at Colts (5-37); vs Patriots (6-25); vs Bears (9-41)

2019: vs Eagles (15-31)

2020: at Titans (16-42)

2021: at Colts (15-41)

2022: vs Bengals (10-27)

 

Every single season there's been at least one game where the Bills haven't turned up on any side of the ball. Where they look clueless, out of their depth, unsur what they're supposed to do, unable to complete even the simplest of schemes and plans. Can we trust the Bills to turn up and not mess the bed at any given time across the board under McDermott? That's my big question heading into the post season.

[Gunsgoodtime]

7 hours ago, Beast said:

One conference title game appearance in which they were destroyed is not some great resume.

Especially when your QB is Josh Allen

[Freddie's Dead]

41 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

4 1st and 3 2nds on the Dline.  Where are they?  That in itself is almost a fireable offense

 

I keep seeing this "4 firsts" on D line.  I got Eddie O and Groot.  What am I missing?

[All I Need is Hope]

Daquan and Miller?

and Shaq

[jethro_tull]

as many as he wants.  he is tenured IMHO.  

[BBills_88]

This organization has been good the last 5 years. Why are we so quick to change the HC, most of the teams with constant playoff appearances keep their head coach. 

 

Let's cool off on firing Mc Dermott.

 

However I'm a fan of getting rid of the dline & DC.

 

Dorsey gets a pass, as I believe he will get better.  

 

Now so many want Dabol back, but when he was here, there were so many who wanted him gone.

[Freddie's Dead]

Too many.

[Niagara Dude]

11 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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@MichaelFFlorio

Sean McDermott likely isn’t going to go anywhere but for someone whose top qualities are leadership and defensive prowess … he always seems to get out coached in the big games and the defense always seems to be the ones crumbling

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Michael F. Florio

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The last four playoff exits: blew a multiple score 2nd half lead, blown out by KC, 13 second kickoff and yesterday. The defense can bully bad teams in the regular season but can’t stop a good offense when they have too At this point it’s a trend. An inexcusable one at that

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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Brandon Beane gets such high regard for finding Allen … but that 2018 class was the last of his that had ANY pro bowl players. So much capital has been wasted on undersized d lineman who can’t generate pressure against a backup o line

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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They drafted a CB in the 1st and were too scared to use him for most of the year despite the secondary issues. The big addition to the offense was pass catching RBs … only to never throw the ball to the RBs. The o line got ignored despite clear issues

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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And that’s the frustrating part - it’s like there was no real plan. The game plan didn’t fit the personnel at all. The Bills receiver room had 2 receivers who could win outside or downfield and a bunch of slot guys - and then operated an offense built around the deep ball

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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There was no quick pass aspect to this offense all year. Slot WR role vanished. Allen was expected to scramble to avoid pressure and find someone deep. Which is even harder when your best deep threat has questionable hands and routinely drops well placed ones (like yesterday)

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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The Bills hired a first year play caller in the most offensive driven era in NFL history, in their championship window, despite one not having won a Super Bowl in over 30 years. Just short sighted moves that never seemed to gel with any sort of actual plan

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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There was never any situational football with this team. Yesterday on maybe the biggest play of the day - 3rd and 2 they threw 40 yards down field then punted. It largely felt like Dorsey would pick a play at random. And not just yesterday, this was all year long

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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They can out talent teams in the regular season and Josh Allen is a unicorn who can play hero ball and save the day most of the time - but if he has an off game this team has no shot of beating an actual good team. This roster is very flawed and now it’s aging with little cap

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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Take Allen off this team and I’m not sure they’re .500. Turnovers have been an issue, but that’s to be expected when Allen is asked to match Mahomes/Burrow stats with his arm while also being the teams RB1. It’s a ton to ask of any player. Especially with this play calling

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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The approach to building this team needs to change. It can’t be, invest in the defense and Allen will carry the offense every game. If McDermott and Frazier can’t figure it out with so much invested into it, change gears.

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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If there was ever a time to change its now. The def see has been built around 6 players - 2 are FAs (Poyer, Edmunds), 3 are working back from severe injuries (White, Von, Hyde) and the other is Milano Idk how they work around those contracts, but they have to try and mix it up

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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Start loading up around Allen and trying to outscore everyone. It’s basically what they have to do in the playoffs anyway. I’m frustrated as I’m sure many Bills fans are right now. Will 100% be back next year, but really hoping we see some changes before then

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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Adding one thing here. No juice?!? In the biggest game of the season, at home, with Damar in the building. It’s absolutely inexcusable The Bills were dominated in a way they haven’t been in years. No juice… what are we doing here!

[phypon]

@Niagara Dude 

 

Damn!  Hope the Pegula's read all that.  Florio ftw here.

[Chaos]

Final game of season track record:

Watson: 20/25 247 1TD 0INT
Mahomes: 29/38 325 3TD 0INT
Mahomes: 33/44 378 3TD 0INT
Burrow: 23/36 242 2TD 0INT

4 sacks combined in the last 3 playoff exits. 60%+ 3rd down conversion rate for our opponents, with 100+ rushing yards in each of the last 3 exits. 

We have shown no improvement over the last four seasons in the "big game".  It is not clear why we would expect different results with the same coaches in the "big game" in year five. 

[Gunsgoodtime]

6 minutes ago, phypon said:

@Niagara Dude 

 

Damn!  Hope the Pegula's read all that.  Florio ftw here.

He is absolutely dead on as well!

[Chaos]

1 minute ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

He is absolutely dead on as well!

Easier to read version of Florio's tweets
 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

11 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

True.  For all the talk of process and culture, would McDermott still be our coach if not for Josh Allen?

 

No chance. 

Just like Brady was mostly responsible for a majority of the W's, so is Josh.  Without Allen, McDermott would be long gone. 

[Dopey]

11 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

Would you rather have Andy Reid?

[Awwufelloff]

48 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

·

9h

Replying to

@MichaelFFlorio

Sean McDermott likely isn’t going to go anywhere but for someone whose top qualities are leadership and defensive prowess … he always seems to get out coached in the big games and the defense always seems to be the ones crumbling

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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The last four playoff exits: blew a multiple score 2nd half lead, blown out by KC, 13 second kickoff and yesterday. The defense can bully bad teams in the regular season but can’t stop a good offense when they have too At this point it’s a trend. An inexcusable one at that

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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Brandon Beane gets such high regard for finding Allen … but that 2018 class was the last of his that had ANY pro bowl players. So much capital has been wasted on undersized d lineman who can’t generate pressure against a backup o line

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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They drafted a CB in the 1st and were too scared to use him for most of the year despite the secondary issues. The big addition to the offense was pass catching RBs … only to never throw the ball to the RBs. The o line got ignored despite clear issues

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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And that’s the frustrating part - it’s like there was no real plan. The game plan didn’t fit the personnel at all. The Bills receiver room had 2 receivers who could win outside or downfield and a bunch of slot guys - and then operated an offense built around the deep ball

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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There was no quick pass aspect to this offense all year. Slot WR role vanished. Allen was expected to scramble to avoid pressure and find someone deep. Which is even harder when your best deep threat has questionable hands and routinely drops well placed ones (like yesterday)

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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The Bills hired a first year play caller in the most offensive driven era in NFL history, in their championship window, despite one not having won a Super Bowl in over 30 years. Just short sighted moves that never seemed to gel with any sort of actual plan

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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There was never any situational football with this team. Yesterday on maybe the biggest play of the day - 3rd and 2 they threw 40 yards down field then punted. It largely felt like Dorsey would pick a play at random. And not just yesterday, this was all year long

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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They can out talent teams in the regular season and Josh Allen is a unicorn who can play hero ball and save the day most of the time - but if he has an off game this team has no shot of beating an actual good team. This roster is very flawed and now it’s aging with little cap

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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Take Allen off this team and I’m not sure they’re .500. Turnovers have been an issue, but that’s to be expected when Allen is asked to match Mahomes/Burrow stats with his arm while also being the teams RB1. It’s a ton to ask of any player. Especially with this play calling

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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The approach to building this team needs to change. It can’t be, invest in the defense and Allen will carry the offense every game. If McDermott and Frazier can’t figure it out with so much invested into it, change gears.

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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If there was ever a time to change its now. The def see has been built around 6 players - 2 are FAs (Poyer, Edmunds), 3 are working back from severe injuries (White, Von, Hyde) and the other is Milano Idk how they work around those contracts, but they have to try and mix it up

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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Start loading up around Allen and trying to outscore everyone. It’s basically what they have to do in the playoffs anyway. I’m frustrated as I’m sure many Bills fans are right now. Will 100% be back next year, but really hoping we see some changes before then

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Michael F. Florio

@MichaelFFlorio

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Adding one thing here. No juice?!? In the biggest game of the season, at home, with Damar in the building. It’s absolutely inexcusable The Bills were dominated in a way they haven’t been in years. No juice… what are we doing here!

This was difficult to read but 100% true.

[Niagara Dude]

12 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

This was difficult to read but 100% true.

I agree,  he was on point.  Sean needs to understand that they cannot keep making excuses or expect Josh to do everything while they investment everything on defensive side of the ball and they still suck bad. The performance was pathetic and was at home ,  enough with this we will learn from this nonsense. He said that last season

59 minutes ago, phypon said:

@Niagara Dude 

 

Damn!  Hope the Pegula's read all that.  Florio ftw here.

He is good friends with Josh,  some of those words could be coming from Allen himself.  Why does he know so much about what has gone on and the details about weapons or Burrow/Mahomes are not asked to do as much. Davis was a 5th rounder,  how many picks has Sean/Beane blown on defence and they still suck.

[Niagara Dude]

23 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

This was difficult to read but 100% true.

I hope Pegula has advisers outside of the team,  they cannot waste his best years watching him take massive hits running the ball because they have no elite db's or continue to expect 5th and 6th round draft picks to be able to win and get separation as a WR

[BB2004]

12 hours ago, papazoid said:

at least another full season for HC

 

the OC & DC will likely both change out ....either promoted or fired

 

One more season for McDermott has been earned due to a very good regular season.  

 

I doubt either coordinator will be fired.  Frazier isn't getting hired to be a head coach anywhere in the NFL for the upcoming season. Dorsey will likely get another chance next year.

[Niagara Dude]

37 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

This was difficult to read but 100% true.

 

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Final game of season track record:

Watson: 20/25 247 1TD 0INT
Mahomes: 29/38 325 3TD 0INT
Mahomes: 33/44 378 3TD 0INT
Burrow: 23/36 242 2TD 0INT

4 sacks combined in the last 3 playoff exits. 60%+ 3rd down conversion rate for our opponents, with 100+ rushing yards in each of the last 3 exits. 

We have shown no improvement over the last four seasons in the "big game".  It is not clear why we would expect different results with the same coaches in the "big game" in year five. 

It amazes me Sean can still keep Frazier around,  the stats he boasts are from regular season and mean nothing compared to playoffs

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Easier to read version of Florio's tweets
 

 

Not surprised id some of this is direct from Allen,  they are good friends. It was Allen who asked Beane to bring back Brown and Beasley

[Niagara Dude]

13 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

Plenty more to come 

They fired Andy Reid and he will get fired to if the playoff losing continues. How many times can you tell the media "we will learn from this" and then repeat again the next season. They are barely slowing down offences with elite QB'S ,  get Allen real weapons outside of Diggs.

[Boatdrinks]

46 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

I agree,  he was on point.  Sean needs to understand that they cannot keep making excuses or expect Josh to do everything while they investment everything on defensive side of the ball and they still suck bad. The performance was pathetic and was at home ,  enough with this we will learn from this nonsense. He said that last season

He is good friends with Josh,  some of those words could be coming from Allen himself.  Why does he know so much about what has gone on and the details about weapons or Burrow/Mahomes are not asked to do as much. Davis was a 5th rounder,  how many picks has Sean/Beane blown on defence and they still suck.

A lot of it is right there to see with your own eyes , that’s how he knows. Watch the offenses , look at the weapons at each QBs disposal. Watch the scheme and what it offers the QB in terms of options.