DapperCam Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 McD is okay, but his coordinators stink. Frazier should be gone and Dorsey should be given some pointed criticism and some serious homework for this summer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with No Name Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 there aren't any easy answers, but we can't put our heads in the sand and say we are okay because of 13-3. People have pointed out for weeks how Minnesota is so lucky to have so many wins, but we had the same kind of season. we looked really good in perhaps 3 games this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Super Fan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 There is no tough decision for Buffalo Bills GM Brandon Beane fire Sean McDermott and his entire coaching staff or he is part of the problem and fire Brandon Beane also. Again these men have failed so fire them the Bills aren’t losing anything special they failed as well paid decision makers in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 26 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: So our head coach can fire our GM? I don't think so 😂 If there was a power struggle…yeah that’s how it would shake out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, zevo said: If there was a power struggle…yeah that’s how it would shake out A head coach can't fire a GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 53 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: Plain and simple McDermott and this staff has lost a huge percentage of the fan base. Beane and this organization will be snake oil salesman if there are not major changes. Josh Allen is to good of a talent to rely on the crap this team is running offensively. That said there are way more qualified OCs on the street that can step in day one. But I think McDermott should go as well. Love McDermott but I think it’s offense this team needs. AFCE is not guaranteed past this year. Can anyone honestly say this is the team to beat next year in the AFCE? The Oline needs rebuilding. Morse is on his final leg, Dawkins is suspect at LT. The defense is bad, Frazier needs to go. But it’s the scheme. It doesn’t work. In the snow, you heard Romo, it doesn’t work. Dline is weak next year, and we are all praying on Von, and who Oliver? It’s time to just cut ties and see what happens. If it’s not this year I guarantee it will be next year, so why wait. This is not the staff that will win the organization a championship. Fans aren’t buying it anymore. Good luck Beane…. If it’s the same staff, it’s gonna be a rough year next year. I understand you're upset but the Bills have won the AFC East the past 3 years and won the division by 3 games this year. They'll probably be favored to win it again next year barring some unforeseen event. Now how do they get better going forward? That's a little tricky because cap space is getting tight. They need some oline help, a WR who can make Davis WR 3, and I really hate saying this they need some beef on the frickin dline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: A head coach can't fire a GM I don’t think you are following. Good day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, DCbillsfan said: I understand you're upset but the Bills have won the AFC East the past 3 years and won the division by 3 games this year. They'll probably be favored to win it again next year barring some unforeseen event. Now how do they get better going forward? That's a little tricky because cap space is getting tight. They need some oline help, a WR who can make Davis WR 3, and I really hate saying this they need some beef on the frickin dline. I’m really not that upset. There has been issues offensively since after the bye week. It’s Dorsey, the scheme, lack of execution, no creativity, Diggs disappears and we no answer. Dorsey is not the guy. i 100% believe this team won’t sniff a superbowl unless the Bills invest in an offensive minded HC and truly build around JA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, zevo said: I don’t think you are following. Good day No, I get what you're saying, you're not making any sense, you're basically saying McDermott can fire our GM, I'm telling you a HC cannot fire a GM. Not sure what's so hard about understanding that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 First thing is you can let Edmunds and Singletary go. I like both guys but that’s 2 guys that you don't need to pay and can upgrade for cheap. Cook should have long since been RB1 and the LB position needs physicality. Whatever Edmunds can or should be…he just isn’t. Go get a heat seeking missile in the draft and fix the run/screen defense. Go get the most instinctive lane filling madman available early in the draft and change the attitude immediately. Milano is excellent and he’s a guy that can fall back into coverage. We need a guy that can cut through blocks like a hot knife through butter and just instill fear into a ball carrier. Use the rest of the offseason to fix the trenches and get the finesse out of this organization permanently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, zevo said: I don’t think you are following. Good day You're saying McDermott has control of things, he does to a certain extent, he however has no power to fire someone with a higher title than him, only the Pegula's can do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 The first decision is to dump Frazier . He’s outlived his usefulness. 2 years in a row he’s been a disappointment. This team is judged on getting to the championship game minimum. He has 13 seconds and this mindless defensive performance on his resume. He’s a nice man but we can do better. The Bengals DC stymied our great offense. Frazier looked confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floydboy12 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Beane could have acquired McCaffery at trade deadline. He got Hines. Everyone who preached that Beane builds to be a contender year after year. Well here you go. Frazier should have been gone after last years debacle. Do that first. Don’t resign Edmunds, or Poyer, or Singletary. That would be a start to me thinking Beane was serious about getting over the top. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, zevo said: I don’t think you are following. Good day Why don't you explain what you mean if you have the balls to. Because you obviously a Supervisor can fire a manager lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 37 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: I don’t see McDermott firing anyone. Even if Frazier goes. It’s gonna be the same scheme. The scheme needs to go. Same on offense…. That being the case why keep McDermott? Every player on defense was drafted to fit our scheme. It's not the scheme, per se, it's not having the proper personnel/play calling. We need CBs. I was blasted for saying this earlier in the year. We don't have a shut down corner on this roster. Tre is a shell of his former self, maybe he can make it back, maybe not. Our defense is designed to hold up on the back end long enough for 4 to get the Qb without blitzing. No one on the Dline has stepped up as a dominant force and no one in the secondary has either. Imo, the only explanation for these defensive play calls is to try and protect what our coaching staff knows are weak links. Other elite level teams will expose these weaknesses leaving us helpless to defend. Offensively, we don't have enough firepower at the WR spot, interior line is terrible, we may even see Morse retire. The biggest weakness is Dorsey. There is zero creativity on offense. We can't run screens, we don't run the ball, we don't run sweeps, don't scheme guys open into space, don't exploit mismatches, etc, etc. There's a ton of things to address this offseason. Hopefully, things get figured out because this division is going to be very tough to win next year, especially if the Jets bring in a real Qb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, DapperCam said: McD is okay, but his coordinators stink. Frazier should be gone and Dorsey should be given some pointed criticism and some serious homework for this summer. Dorsey should go. 10 pts, offense completely not ready today & plays the last 2 weeks are all Josh chuck it deep w/ no adjustment, instead of scheming guys open & getting the ball out quickly. No picks, rubs, nothing. He's really bad. & His press conference this week, when called out for the Miami game was arrogant, "we won't play conservative", meant no changes nothing is wrong. Well we found out today how wrong & inept he was. Edited January 23, 2023 by Donuts and Doritos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Thrivefourfive said: Hopefully Dorsey gets hired to do something else, somewhere else. FRAZIER HAS TO GO. That has to happen, no matter what. Has to happen like tomorrow morning. The players.. I don’t even know what to say. Edmunds replacement needs to be a priority level one. The rest of those sorry excuses for NFL bodies in Bills uniforms are straight up pussies. Pretty much all of them. They got absolutely punked and outworked by that other team in a way I’m astonished by. Ok I agree Frazier needs fired but we gonna get another DC who runs that same scheme since that is what McDermott likes?..McDermott needs handcuffed to only handle hc duties and have no say in what defense scheme we run from here on out....he is on probation and should be happy to still have a job...dorsey either hired somewhere else or demoted back to qb coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said: Dorsey should go. 10 pts, offense completely not ready today & plays the last 2 weeks are all Josh chuck it deep w/ no adjustment, instead of scheming guys open & getting the ball out quickly. No picks, rubs, nothing. He's really bad. & His press conference this week, when called out for the Miami game was arrogant, "we won't play conservative", meant no changes nothing is wrong. Well we found out today how wrong & inept he was. It being his first year as an OC is the only reason I give him some leeway. It’s possible he could learn from his mistakes. I wouldn’t be heartbroken if he were replaced with a more veteran OC either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, DapperCam said: It being his first year as an OC is the only reason I give him some leeway. It’s possible he could learn from his mistakes. I wouldn’t be heartbroken if he were replaced with a more veteran OC either. He isn't gonna learn that quick....he has no business being an NFL OC right now and he won't in 6 months either 55 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: So our head coach can fire our GM? I don't think so 😂 But will our GM fire his GOLF Buddies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Billever76 said: Ok I agree Frazier needs fired but we gonna get another DC who runs that same scheme since that is what McDermott likes?..McDermott needs handcuffed to only handle hc duties and have no say in what defense scheme we run from here on out....he is on probation and should be happy to still have a job...dorsey either hired somewhere else or demoted back to qb coach Like I said…. If he changes both OC and DC, he will promote Washington from DL coach cause he was Carolinas DC and Promote Mike Shula cause he was OC in Carolina. You know you can see that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: Like I said…. If he changes both OC and DC, he will promote Washington from DL coach cause he was Carolinas DC and Promote Mike Shula cause he was OC in Carolina. You know you can see that. We need to fire McDermott and fumigate our team of this entire staff imo....they won't though 2 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: Like I said…. If he changes both OC and DC, he will promote Washington from DL coach cause he was Carolinas DC and Promote Mike Shula cause he was OC in Carolina. You know you can see that. McDermott should have no further say in who gets coordinator jobs...if he don't like it FINE BYE BYE..Time for bean to make some tough decisons....if I was pegula I would be on the phone with bean giving him an earful....bean has to separate his friendship with business decisions Edited January 23, 2023 by Billever76 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 40 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: They have to focus their energies on finding a new LT which will solve two problems when you slide Dawkins to LG. Add a bunch of speed to the offense and let ‘er rip. Trade Oliver and maybe Davis in the service of getting a new LT. Let Poyer walk. Edmunds is the hardest call. So...we're not signing 4 new DL not named Von Miller in Week 1-2 of UFA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Why not just fire Beane? We have our QB. He doesn’t have anything else to offer us. What would be the harm in firing all of them? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, zevo said: Mcd was hired first. From what I understand it is McDs show Neither of these clowns have any credibility anymore after this fiasco of a game today!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: Like I said…. If he changes both OC and DC, he will promote Washington from DL coach cause he was Carolinas DC and Promote Mike Shula cause he was OC in Carolina. You know you can see that. Just a disaster waiting in the wings. He needs to put his ego aside. I’m serious. If he doesn’t want to do that — ba-bye. Too bad so sad. Can’t win with em! Edited January 23, 2023 by Thrivefourfive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Governor said: Why not just fire Beane? We have our QB. He doesn’t have anything else to offer us. What would be the harm in firing all of them? Sadly if bean doesn't have the balls to fire everyone then he himself should be fired with them all.....This team needs a new philosophy and it starts with the hc and if bean doesn't agree it starts at the very top all the way on down 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 There needs to be some mix up. It’s become stale, and the team isn’t any better since 2020. I love and respect Frazier but I think we need some new juice there. The D-line got bullied today, we really missed Daquan Jones, and the lack of Von was evident. Phillips playing w/ one arm was completely ineffective, and the lack of girth up front today stood out. On the offensive side; LG, RG, and RT are replaceable. We need a true #2 receiver, who has quick twitch and get open quick ability for short to intermediate passes. Gabe Davis is a good player, but can be blanket covered without an underneath receiver. Shakir will be the starting slot next year, so McKenzie can either walk, or move into that pure gadget role. All my love to Poyer but he’s unattainable at this point I think. Love my team, but some changes are needed to breath some new life into this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said: Just a disaster waiting in the wings. He needs to put his ego aside. I’m serious. If he doesn’t want to do that — ba-bye. Too bad so sad. Can’t win with em! I agree 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Billever76 said: Sadly if bean doesn't have the balls to fire everyone then he himself should be fired with them all.....This team needs a new philosophy and it starts with the hc and if bean doesn't agree it starts at the very top all the way on down You always hear our fans peddle these weird lies about Beane like he “runs a tight ship” or “drafts BPA, not need” and it’s all total nonsense. Every year things leak out of that building. Every year he drafts for immediate need. I wish I had a group of people willing to lie for me like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD716 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 The two players on the line that the GM hit on were not able to play today, Jones and Miller. The misses played today, Basham, Epenesa, Settle. Rousseau and Oliver also were invisible. White should restructure to a lower contract or should be gone. McKenzie has been a liability all year. We kept 3 special teams only players on the roster?? Upgrade LG and RT needed. Diggs Allen relationship needs repair. Dorsey needs to go, we need a leader of men not just another one of the guys. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I’m fine keeping McDermott, but both coordinators need to go. We don’t out-scheme anybody. We win with Allen winging it. And the resources Frazier needs on the defensive side of the ball to field a solid, but un-aggressive defense takes away from building a better offense around Josh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 58 minutes ago, DapperCam said: McD is okay, but his coordinators stink. Frazier should be gone and Dorsey should be given some pointed criticism and some serious homework for this summer. McDermott hand picked these coordinators!..They are a direct reflection of McDermott....McDermott has put his stamp on this team....ITS ABOUT TIME JOSH ALLEN speaks up....we shouldn't have a soft nickle identity.....we should have an aggressive defense that blitzes and forces pressure and attacks relentlessly coupled with an offense full of motions and misdirection focused on getting weapons at multiple depths all over the field....we need a new start on coaching from the top down or dare I say we waste a generational talent at the qb position 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Frazier should have been gonezo last year. It's time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I'm not saying this is a problem, but I'm done having Josh pick our Coordinators/personnel moves. At least until we win a super bowl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 I’ll put it this way…. I bet Vegas has our over under 10.5 games. I’m taking under all day if the OC and DC stay the same. Add that in with some of these players gone. Yep. Nothing will change and for some reason they Will expect fans to believe they can compete for a Super Bowl…. Ok. Sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Neither Beane nor McDermott is leaving IMO. Obviously, some soul searching needs to take place. I think the Bills need to address the impotence of their offensive and defensive lines. The defensive line seemed to be on the right track early in the season, but it has experienced a steady decline after Von Miller went down. The offensive line is OK against some opponents, but I don't know that the current personnel will ever be able to handle better defensive lines. We've all heard that Kromer is supposed to be such a great offensive line coach, but he hasn't materially improved this offensive line. Also, I'm still not sold on Devin Singletary. There are some running backs that seem able to make yards even with less effective offensive lines. I do have some issues with play calling. It seems to me as if Josh is attempting too many low percentage passes on third down. If the play doesn't connect, it ends the drive. That's been happening too often. On defense, I was shocked at how soft Buffalo's corners played Cincinnati's WRs at the start of the game. Cincinnati needed 5 yards for a first down, and Buffalo's CBs were playing 10 yards of the LOS. Time after time soft coverage led to easy completions in comparison to Cincinnati'e CBs who played tight the whole game. I don't know that Buffalo needs to scrap the whole scheme (which I can't see them doing with McDermott as HC) but they do need to change up some things-maybe mix in some more man and press coverage and some creative blitzing. The big thing is getting some elite guys on the D-line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 9 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Not by Beane. That is what most people think. It would take Pegula himself to do it. that's the wrong setup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 If Beane and McD lost a huge % of the band wagon fan base = CYA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Bill Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I believe the structure upon hiring Beane was that both he and McD would report directly to Pegula. kind of unique , but any firing would be his call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 If I was Pegula I would demand new coordinators and make it clear if the team continues to look unprepared McD would be next. This was an absolute joke for a coaching job. Insert whatever excuse you like but the team on the other side seemed to have all the answers and the Bills had none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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