I’m over this defensive scheme. Bring in a new DC.

[Governor]

This game was over (14-0) before Frazier decided which defense he wanted to run, then ran the wrong one anyway.

[CodeMonkey]

39 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Why does everyone have to get fired when you lose in the playoffs?

This is the stadium wall, not just playoff losses, but any losses

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

No chance we move on from this guy. Our only saving Grace is maybe a team will be dumb enough to hire this guy as a HC. 

[JMM]

Been saying it for over 3 years,  FRAZIER MUST GO. PERIOD!!!

[popcornpam]

12 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

Yeah like others my chief concern is that this defense is playing the game exactly as McD wants it to be played. 
 

Even if Frazier is let go this offseason, does McD turn over the defense to an experienced coordinator with a different philosophy? 
 

It would be like the situation when we hired Rex and had Schwartz — two different types of defensive minds just aren’t going to co exist. I don’t see that happening. If he hires someone else they’re still gonna run the scheme as McD wants it to be run. 

McDermott already said before,if frazier leaves he’s going to put in Coach Washington, that way he could keep the scheme the same. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It wasn't the problem in 2019 or 2020, the offense was. It was the problem in KC last year. 

Watson completed 80% of his passes, with no INTs, and had a 121.2 passer rating.  Taiwan Friggin Jones had a crucial 34-yard reception.

 

Mahomes 'only' completed 76% of his passes, with 325 yards and 3 TD.  Over 100 rushing yards allowed.  60% 3rd down conversion rate.

 

Are these passable defensive performances?

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

Watson completed 80% of his passes, with no INTs, and had a 121.2 passer rating.  Taiwan Friggin Jones had a crucial 34-yard reception.

 

Mahomes 'only' completed 76% of his passes, with 325 yards and 3 TD.  Over 100 rushing yards allowed.  60% 3rd down conversion rate.

 

Are these passable defensive performances?

 

No, but they weren't the reason we lost either of those games. We were inept on offense in both. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

4 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

No chance we move on from this guy. Our only saving Grace is maybe a team will be dumb enough to hire this guy as a HC. 

No way.  How do you sell him to your fanbase?

 

"Hey fans, ignore the playoff chitshows, like :13, and the Bengal Boatrace - just look at the regular season PPG allowed!  That's what really matters!"

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

No, but they weren't the reason we lost either of those games. We were inept on offense in both. 

I didn't saw that they were the reason we lost - I said that the defense has played poorly in each playoff loss.  For that matter, the defense played poorly in 2 of the playoff wins as well.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

1 minute ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

No way.  How do you sell him to your fanbase?

 

"Hey fans, ignore the playoff chitshows, like :13, and the Bengal Boatrace - just look at the regular season PPG allowed!  That's what really matters!"

The dude has been horrible for 3 years. If he was going to be gone, he’d be gone already. Never should have been able to ruin this season

[Eastport bills]

Absolutely wrong for our personnel. We can’t get pressure with our front, especially with Von out .There wasn’t any defenders in the same zip code for most of the game on plays underneath. Why are their backup lineman dominating our front on running plays?. Why are they dragging defenders for 5, 6, 7 yds.? Frazier’s wrong for our defense.

[Big Turk]

If I was Beane I would sink the majority of resources into the offense.

 

We've seen the defense get smoked in the playoffs all 3 years in the losses with all the picks and All-Pro players.

 

If they can't stop anyone when it counts then they damn sure better make sure they can protect Allen, have WRs that get open other than Diggs and let the offense go toe to toe...

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Just now, Big Turk said:

If I was Beane I would sink the majority of resources into the offense.

 

We've seen the defense get smoked in the playoffs all 3 years in the losses with all the picks and All-Pro players.

 

If they can't stop anyone when it counts then they damn sure better make sure they can protect Allen, have WRs that get open other than Diggs and let the offense go toe to toe...

What sense does that make? You keep losing when it matters because of the defense, so try and make the offense better? How about fix the massive issue with the team….Getting stops?

[JMM]

33 minutes ago, DollaBills said:

Ill have a hard time being a fan next year if Frazier stays

I'll ALWAYS be a fan. But if Frazier is still the DC I will understand that this team has no chance to get over the Hump. PERIOD. 

[Nextmanup]

55 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

NOTE:  Also hope we see Dorsey leave so we can get a more seasoned and creative OC in here.  No way they fire him, but hope he gets the Carolina job. 
 

Sadly I doubt either gets a HC job and doubt either gets fired.  

Edited 50 minutes ago by Alphadawg7

Why not?  I think he proved, over a 17 game season and post-season that his performance can be improved upon.  There has to be someone out there better.

 

Maybe one of the people being fired this year could replace him, including HCs?

 

 

[SUNTANBILLS FAN]

12 minutes ago, JMM said:

Been saying it for over 3 years,  FRAZIER MUST GO. PERIOD!!!

I have too his ***** d line rotation takes out playmakers after they make a play! His read and react soft zone never stops 3 and forever! He is horrible been saying it for 3 years 

1 minute ago, JMM said:

I'll ALWAYS be a fan. But if Frazier is still the DC I will understand that this team has no chance to get over the Hump. PERIOD. 

Me too Fraizer has sucked for 3 seasons why does everyone say he is so good 

[Nextmanup]

27 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

You say Frazier I say Defensive line. Von Miller injury was unfortunate but those guys aren’t good enough without him.

TO suggest this game had a damned thing to do with Von's absence is absolutely ridiculous.

 

The guy doesn't play many snaps anyway, and when he does, he is almost always nicely neutralized by the opposing right tackle, in a one-on-one battle that doesn't open anything else up for other DLmen.

 

Sure, he'll do something great once in the game, and then everyone says "Oh, there's Miller; he's a great player!" 

 

He's way overrated at this stage in his career; all big named edge rushers are over-rated.  They don't consistently do enough that directly results in WINS.

 

Keep Von, I'll take a stud Diggs-type #2 WR this off-season, please.

 

We scored 10 points today!  Against a great QB and great offense with maybe the best WR corps in the league.

 

That ain't gonna get it done! 

 

 

 

 

[Victory Formation]

I love McD as a HC, as a motivator and as a person, but he must be willing to make some coaching changes if he is to stay on for next season.

[Big Turk]

12 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

What sense does that make? You keep losing when it matters because of the defense, so try and make the offense better? How about fix the massive issue with the team….Getting stops?

 

It's a scheme issue IMO. They give up way too much when they try and take something away.

 

It makes sense because year to year it is much easier to stay consistently good offensively than it is defensively. This has been studied. Much higher correlation year to year with good offenses versus good defenses.

 

So if they are going to not be good when they play good offensive teams then they need to outscore them.

 

Edited January 23, 2023 by Big Turk

[All_Pro_Bills]

This defense with Frazier's scheme and the players on the roster can't line up toe-to-toe and hold their own with the league's top QBs and defenses that make few if any mistakes or turnovers.  Watching the 49ers/Cowboys game and seeing two good defenses at work makes me realize how much of an illusion the Bills defense was this season.  The GM and front office need to act with a sense of urgency this offseason.  They can't ignore this problem if they're serious about winning it all

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Victory Formation said:

I love McD as a HC, as a motivator and as a person, but he must be willing to make some coaching changes if he is to stay on for next season.

 

I doubt that will be one of the demand made of him. In fact I know it won't.

Just now, All_Pro_Bills said:

This defense with Frazier's scheme and the players on the roster can't line up toe-to-toe and hold their own with the league's top QBs and defenses that make few if any mistakes or turnovers.  Watching the 49ers/Cowboys game and seeing two good defenses at work makes me realize how much of an illusion the Bills defense was this season.  The GM and front office need to act with a sense of urgency this offseason.  They can't ignore this problem if they're serious about winning it all

 

That's what I am saying. If they are going to continue running this scheme they need to focus on the offense. They simply need to outscore teams in the playoffs.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

38 minutes ago, motorj said:

His D needs Micah and Von to work, so I don't think it changes

Relying on a few 34 year olds isn’t a great plan. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

TO suggest this game had a damned thing to do with Von's absence is absolutely ridiculous.

 

The guy doesn't play many snaps anyway, and when he does, he is almost always nicely neutralized by the opposing right tackle, in a one-on-one battle that doesn't open anything else up for other DLmen.

 

Sure, he'll do something great once in the game, and then everyone says "Oh, there's Miller; he's a great player!" 

 

He's way overrated at this stage in his career; all big named edge rushers are over-rated.  They don't consistently do enough that directly results in WINS.

 

Keep Von, I'll take a stud Diggs-type #2 WR this off-season, please.

 

We scored 10 points today!  Against a great QB and great offense with maybe the best WR corps in the league.

 

That ain't gonna get it done! 

 

 

 

 

You read that completely wrong. 

[Victory Formation]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

I doubt that will be one of the demand made of him. In fact I know it won't.

Whatever the truth may be, there is too much on Allen right now. If he doesn’t show up we literally get blown out. No other playmakers on O, can’t run the ball, defense sucks… We need other playmakers on this team not named Josh Allen.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

It's a scheme issue IMO. They give up way too much when they try and take something away.

 

It makes sense because year to year it is much easier to stay consistently good offensively than it is defensively. This has been studied. Much higher correlation year to year with good defenses versus good offenses.

 

So if they are going to not be good when they play good offensive teams then they need to outscore them.

 

If we aren’t going to make stops in the playoffs we are going to keep not making it to the Super Bowl. That’s the reality. Fix the ***** defense or we are never going to beat the best teams. I get in the fantasy football era people want to ignore that. You still need to be able to play defense 

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

If we aren’t going to make stops in the playoffs we are going to keep not making it to the Super Bowl. That’s the reality. Fix the ***** defense or we are never going to beat the best teams. I get in the fantasy football era people want to ignore that. You still need to be able to play defense 

 

So KC has a great defense? Or one that just plays situationally well?

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

So KC has a great defense? Or one that just plays situationally well?

The year KC won the Super Bowl their defense started clicking at a very high level. Down the stretch they were excellent and they shut us down in that AFC championship game. Stuck our WRs like glue and made our offense very uncomfortable. 

[Big Turk]

Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The year KC won the Super Bowl their defense started clicking at a very high level. Down the stretch they were excellent and they shut us down in that AFC championship game. Stuck our WRs like glue and made our offense very uncomfortable. 

 

But they weren't a great defense...they just took advantage of officials not making calls against them. 

 

Kudos to them.

 

They didn't get away with it in the SB and got flagged often and blown out.

[TwistofFate]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Why does Frazier need to keep on keeping his job after the defense fails in the playoffs?  It’s been every single year.  How many times do we need to see his defense not work in playoff football before we try something new?

In his defense, our eliminations have come at the hands of Mahomes and Burrow. They are the two best Qbs in the league right now. 

[transient]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Why does everyone have to get fired when you lose in the playoffs?

Frazier's defenses (and unfortunately, likely more accurately, McDermott's defenses) have a growing resume of getting torched in the playoffs by teams with a balanced offense. That's why.

[BBills_88]

In the playoffs the DEFENSE has 

 

1. Blown a 16 point lead.

2. Got picked apart by KC (Kelce & Hill)

3. 13 SECONDS 

4. Bengal drove up and down the field like Marshawn Lynch in the gulf cart.

 

I'm tired of lackluster pass rush & the corners playing 7 yards of WR on 3rd on 4.

 

 

[gobills404]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Why does everyone have to get fired when you lose in the playoffs?

Because the defense has crapped its pants 3 years in a row

[Dan]

25 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

If I was Beane I would sink the majority of resources into the offense.

 

We've seen the defense get smoked in the playoffs all 3 years in the losses with all the picks and All-Pro players.

 

If they can't stop anyone when it counts then they damn sure better make sure they can protect Allen, have WRs that get open other than Diggs and let the offense go toe to toe...

They’re in a really dilemma this offseason.   They need to put serious resources into the Offensive line and a WR.  But they also have several big FAs on defense... and really need a new DC.  Thats a tall order for one off season.  They’ve squandered this window, with these players.  So now the question is how quickly do they replace all the FA and retool the line and are they going to finally recognize this defensive scheme isn’t good enough when the playoffs roll around.  

[Cheektowaga Chad]

I've said this many times over the past few years

 

The offense and defense is not aligned

 

The Team likes to or at least says they want to be aggressive on offense but then plays a passive defense. It doesn't match. The ideas/goals/thoughts should be aligned 

 

A guy that should get a call is vic Fangio, I know he plays a different defense than what McDermott has coached but that shouldn't matter 

 

Edited January 23, 2023 by Cheektowaga Chad

[I'm Spartacus]

The problem is both McDermott and Frazier are not good coaches as far as adjusting their philosophy. They don't seem to learn and accept change to the betterment of the team as a whole. Someone has to go or nothing will change moving forward.

[Big Turk]

10 minutes ago, Dan said:

They’re in a really dilemma this offseason.   They need to put serious resources into the Offensive line and a WR.  But they also have several big FAs on defense... and really need a new DC.  Thats a tall order for one off season.  They’ve squandered this window, with these players.  So now the question is how quickly do they replace all the FA and retool the line and are they going to finally recognize this defensive scheme isn’t good enough when the playoffs roll around.  

 

I think they need a new DC but they won't.

 

Frazier's schemes even with high level talent are exposed by good offenses in playoff games. I'm wondering if we could get more out of what we have in those situations with a different scheme. It would be hard to get less. It's like he coaches scared and gives up free yardage to not get beat deep 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Sean McDermott needs to start leaning into his Jim Johnson coaching tree

[BillsFan130]

You’re absolutely right Alpha. But here’s the problem…

 

I think it’s more Mcd and not Frazier.

 

They can fire Frazier but then MCD will just want to hire a guy who runs his cover 2/cover 3 shell.

 

If the defence changes, I think it has to start with MCD looking at himself in the mirror

[Dan]

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I think they need a new DC but they won't.

 

Frazier's schemes even with high level talent are exposed by good offenses in playoff games. I'm wondering if we could get more out of what we have in those situations with a different scheme. It would be hard to get less. It's like he coaches scared and gives up free yardage to not get beat deep 

They have to try something... then current D has been exposed in every playoff game, save the NE game.    we need a new defensive identity. Which means new DC.    And get a fickin offensive line for Allen

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

29 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

Because the defense has crapped its pants 3 years in a row

Blew a big lead in Houston too

[Buffalo_Stampede]

33 minutes ago, transient said:

Frazier's defenses (and unfortunately, likely more accurately, McDermott's defenses) have a growing resume of getting torched in the playoffs by teams with a balanced offense. That's why.

Ok but people are like fire everyone.